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Hey! Stop talking bad about me pal!
Thats one of my favorite hobbies. Its not my fault there are heretics on every corner, SOMEBODY gotta set em straight
No but really... Kettle is that you? Its me pot!
Thats one of my favorite hobbies. Its not my fault there are heretics on every corner, SOMEBODY gotta set em straight
No but really... Kettle is that you? Its me pot!
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YES, we were SAVED FIRST, then afterwards we chose to love HIM with Obedience, and that Obedience comes from GOD's LOVE that was poured into our HEARTS (Human Spirit), described in Rom. 5:5.
So How Soon do you think HE SAVED US ? ? ?
2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
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If you are referring to a married man with two children divorcing his wife so he could marry Kathryn Khulman go ahead. After five years of marriage she was walking down a dead end street with a sign post that said: DEAD END. She realised that was where her life was at. She said she had to choose between the man she loved and the God she loved. She chose God, the marriage was ended. She knew she had committed grevious sin. God forgave her, that is what matters, if others want to cast the first stone, nothing much has changed
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You know there are people out there that deny Paul's apostleship and to them it would be WORKS salvation. They would even ADMIT to preaching it.
I sent them an email asking why do you quote from the book of Acts, when PAUL is present there, and its written by Luke who walked with Paul.
I also asked them why do you quote from the gospel of Luke, since he walked with Paul.
I also asked them why do you accept the second epistle of Peter, since Peter considers Paul a "beloved brother" there.
SURPRISE SURPRISE. It has been MONTHS and no answer!
HERETICS!
Maybe they will soon only quote from the gospel of Matthew!
I sent them an email asking why do you quote from the book of Acts, when PAUL is present there, and its written by Luke who walked with Paul.
I also asked them why do you quote from the gospel of Luke, since he walked with Paul.
I also asked them why do you accept the second epistle of Peter, since Peter considers Paul a "beloved brother" there.
SURPRISE SURPRISE. It has been MONTHS and no answer!
HERETICS!
Maybe they will soon only quote from the gospel of Matthew!
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My post is valid....his twist of it on the other hand is not......even nature teaches this truth...an apple tree takes about three years, an oak about 20 to 25 and ALL believers must grow and mature if they are to bear fruit....the level of teaching, the speed of their spiritual growth and if they apply the word or not will determine the time frame and or amount of fruit.......he has been twisting my words since he came in this thread....
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Yes I agree, it is important to protect ourselves too.
I have learned the more we think correctly/rightly about things the more He reveals too!!
For a while I went to a Sally Ann bible study, the people were so lovely but they believed a person can loose salvation so it was a constant tug and pull and I learned very little from them.
I have learned the more we think correctly/rightly about things the more He reveals too!!
For a while I went to a Sally Ann bible study, the people were so lovely but they believed a person can loose salvation so it was a constant tug and pull and I learned very little from them.
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And the doctors who treated terminally ill patients disagree with whatever you care to drag up. For they testified to their former patients illnesses, and they released the medical records to prove it. Patients who had no re-occurrence of the illness they were healed from for at least five years after the healing took place
i never called JESUS a liar, what are you talking about?
and what am i gonna pay for? i repented of my sins and asked Jesus in my heart when i was 18, so according to you i'm heaven bound with the hammer down and i couldn't go to HELL even if i wanted to (according to your doctrine)
yes he did but what does that have to do with the prodigal son? the prodigal son didnt "WANDER" off
there is a big difference in someone "wandering" away and someone packing his stuff and "lEAVING" which by the way, i have never said that i believe you can lose your salvation, but you can leave your salvation
dont cherry pick Hebrews 6 look at it closely
Hebrews 6:4-6 (KJV)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
the word "crucify" is a present tense verb meaning its something they are doing presently
its simple, if your sinning (presently) stop and repent and he is faithful and just to forgive but it is impossible to be renewed if you chose to stay in your sin and crucify (not crucified) God afresh......
and what am i gonna pay for? i repented of my sins and asked Jesus in my heart when i was 18, so according to you i'm heaven bound with the hammer down and i couldn't go to HELL even if i wanted to (according to your doctrine)
yes he did but what does that have to do with the prodigal son? the prodigal son didnt "WANDER" off
there is a big difference in someone "wandering" away and someone packing his stuff and "lEAVING" which by the way, i have never said that i believe you can lose your salvation, but you can leave your salvation
dont cherry pick Hebrews 6 look at it closely
Hebrews 6:4-6 (KJV)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
the word "crucify" is a present tense verb meaning its something they are doing presently
its simple, if your sinning (presently) stop and repent and he is faithful and just to forgive but it is impossible to be renewed if you chose to stay in your sin and crucify (not crucified) God afresh......
I took loss of salvation as granted even before I knew a thing about Christianity, because i always believed in free will, where we can just decide things. I believe its the 'default' position of fallen man. Its the IKEA doityourself salvation.
I CHANGED MY VIEWS after studying the Scriptures.
I dont claim to still got some verses i struggle to explain, BUT i believe both sides have them.
Again dcon, would be NICE if you could write a book and adress all the verses used by loss of salvation people. Your eschatology book was great.
I CHANGED MY VIEWS after studying the Scriptures.
I dont claim to still got some verses i struggle to explain, BUT i believe both sides have them.
Again dcon, would be NICE if you could write a book and adress all the verses used by loss of salvation people. Your eschatology book was great.
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i never called JESUS a liar, what are you talking about?
and what am i gonna pay for? i repented of my sins and asked Jesus in my heart when i was 18, so according to you i'm heaven bound with the hammer down and i couldn't go to HELL even if i wanted to (according to your doctrine)
yes he did but what does that have to do with the prodigal son? the prodigal son didnt "WANDER" off
there is a big difference in someone "wandering" away and someone packing his stuff and "lEAVING" which by the way, i have never said that i believe you can lose your salvation, but you can leave your salvation
dont cherry pick Hebrews 6 look at it closely
Hebrews 6:4-6 (KJV)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
the word "crucify" is a present tense verb meaning its something they are doing presently
its simple, if your sinning (presently) stop and repent and he is faithful and just to forgive but it is impossible to be renewed if you chose to stay in your sin and crucify (not crucified) God afresh......
and what am i gonna pay for? i repented of my sins and asked Jesus in my heart when i was 18, so according to you i'm heaven bound with the hammer down and i couldn't go to HELL even if i wanted to (according to your doctrine)
yes he did but what does that have to do with the prodigal son? the prodigal son didnt "WANDER" off
there is a big difference in someone "wandering" away and someone packing his stuff and "lEAVING" which by the way, i have never said that i believe you can lose your salvation, but you can leave your salvation
dont cherry pick Hebrews 6 look at it closely
Hebrews 6:4-6 (KJV)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
the word "crucify" is a present tense verb meaning its something they are doing presently
its simple, if your sinning (presently) stop and repent and he is faithful and just to forgive but it is impossible to be renewed if you chose to stay in your sin and crucify (not crucified) God afresh......
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you better hope your "once a son, always a son" is not true: let us balance scripture with scripture
this metaphor wont work. It proves that we can never be saved in the first place, for we are all born "children of wrath"
Ephesians 2:3 (KJV)
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
1 John 3:10 (KJV)
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
If once born into a family we could never cease to be children of that family, then we must always be children of disobedience. according to YOU
this metaphor wont work. It proves that we can never be saved in the first place, for we are all born "children of wrath"
Ephesians 2:3 (KJV)
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
1 John 3:10 (KJV)
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
If once born into a family we could never cease to be children of that family, then we must always be children of disobedience. according to YOU
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