Good morning dear.Does anyone else have this in their lower right hand corner? Once again, it's another annoying pop up that I don't want..
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I dont have that yet, but its probably about to "POP UP" soon (pun intended).
Not By Works
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I dont have that yet, but its probably about to "POP UP" soon (pun intended).
good morning to you to! hope you have a blessed day!
Your difficulty is obvious.Notice what was said:
"When all of Paul's writings are considered and James is understood properly then they are both teaching the same thing."
And your response:
"No they are not teaching the same thing...two different sides of the coin"
Really?Do you even think about what you type?
You are correct about the last line however as it aptly describes your and many other's method of using the scriptures.
The fact is,after being declared righteous,one is not expected to continue in sin.Do you teach that one who does will still be saved?Paul teaches no such thing.(Romans 6:1,2;12:1,2;I Corinthians 6:9-11)
Answer the question with the use of the scriptures and you will see the truth.
The sheep represent those who believe in Christ and are justified by faith.
IOW, the sheep represent the Church.
- What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them,
All 100 sheep belong to the shepherd.
The 99 remain justified.
The 1 who wandered away and became lost, returned to being a sinner in need of repentance.
“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance. Luke 15:4-7
Jesus is teaching His disciples what they need to do, to restore one of His sheep back to Him if it becomes lost.
Do the lost need salvation?
JPT
Yes sir.
Very true.
They both taught the same principle of faith.
The obedience of faith.
Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? James 2:21
The “work” Abraham did was to obey God to offer his son Isaac on the altar.
Paul calls this the obedience of faith.
But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: Romans 16:26
JPT
And notice what was the proof that Israel as a whole did not believe/have faith:
"But as to Israel he saith, All the day long did I spread out my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people."(Romans 10:21)
Judah Maccabeus? That's who my screen name is named after. I misspelled it and didn't know how to edit it.
In Luke 15, the key to interpreting the three parables is found in the first three verses. The publicans and sinners HAD BEEN lost, but now have come to Jesus and are found. These parables are in reply to the Pharisees murmerring and grumbling about Jesus receiving sinners
Go back and read Luke 15:1-3
Always interpret scripture according to context
PostScript. The post was about Luke 15, not the lost sheep parable in other Gospels
Blessings
Your avoidance of the question I asked is the reason for your continued misunderstanding of James.You are adding to scripture by using the word "claim". The context of the passage supports no such thing.I ask again:
"Was Abraham's faith, "mere" or not, "saving faith" ? Why then did he have to be justified by works as James says?(James 2:21)Was Abraham also claiming to have faith?
Same here as decon Lady_blue, no new popup yet.
Good news about the other popup because RoboOp
took it down with many thanks to you
How about more Coffee and Doughnuts maybe help.
Faith works by love if you truly love God and love your brother, you are "doing righteousness" But let let us not love in word only, but in deed and truth John said
We will not be absolutely sinless or infallible. God expects us to walk according to what we have received. Some Christians are further along, so God requires more. To whom much is given, much is required
But if you neglect what light is given you, God may not give more light.
Your misleading statements in relation to my comments is obvious.I have quoted Jesus and Paul in support of what James is clearly teaching rather than your one sided interpretation and yet still you claim I am, "pitting JAMES against the bible". Again I urge;do not use the scriptures as the devil did with Jesus as this will lead to your downfall.
And you continue to pattern the devil's method of using the scriptures.That one verse is not the only one in the bible.Read the study, Justification,which addresses all the verses like the one above and their context and which shows how works apply to the life of a true child of God.
You claim:
"You remind me of a past member that was banned......you speak the same way, same style and use the same verbiage.."
I guess this is what you are hoping for.Could you provide proof of the above?
The import of the passage in question is lost on you.The person who believes is saved.But is this the end of the matter? No!! Jesus says they are only truly His if they continue in His word.Your erroneous doctrine would have them believe but then not continue in His word,not be disciples but still be saved.Preposterous!!
Do you understand the difference between the case of the thief on the cross and that of the woman caught in adultery?
James is speaking to a "living faith" and the offering of Abraham son was proof, "before man" that his faith was a real living faith, but "not before God"
If there s any boasting about "works" it is the works of our Savior Jesus Christ, works do not save or keep you saved only God can who is; "the author and finisher of our faith."
Abraham was justified by his works before man; "but not before God", most reasonable people can see this truth.
Hebrews12:2
fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God
Romans 4:2
If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about--but not before God
3)For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”…
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eternally-gratefull
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So let me get this straight, you have been here 3 weeks, and your accusing another member who has been here for 6 years of being banned?
Hi E-gratefull, I was just going over the same post as you are and if you take a second look I believe that "Decon" is saying that, "safswan" "is the person who was previously banned", not our feend Decon. The part that you read in the post was safswan quoting decon, check it out.....