The Lake of Fire

[Hevosmies]

I went to a Baptist church for some years and accepted their beliefs. I don't go to any church now, because the ones I've visited all teach penal substitution.

Dont you think thats a problem, possibly? Lone ranger Christian who disagrees with EVERYONE? Is there any chance that you might be wrong? The Bible quite plainly states Jesus died for our sins, that would be SUBSTITUTION. He died for our sins, shed His blood, so that OUR SINS can be forgiven. Do you believe this? If you do, thats substitutionary atonement. If you dont, well you're a heretic, no nice way to put it.

All I remember is getting smacked around and being told I was going to hell.

Sounds about right. This would never happen in today's catholic church, they've gone VERY liberal.

 

[Lanolin]

We will be rewarded at Christ's judgment seat. Everyone will. Its s public show of the work Jesus did in us by believing, trusting in him in this life. And unbelievers will also be rewarded at that time.

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory....Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, come ye blessed of my Father....Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, depart from me ye cursed Mt.25:31,34,

The universe belongs to the Father and son now. It always has. We just didn't always realize it. Everyone will realize it then.

You dont make sense and sorry you being rude.
Just because you had a bad church experience with wrong teachings doesnt mean everyone else on here has.

 

[Lanolin]

The thing is, lake of fire is real, but us believers do not need to worry about it. Actually it is a good thing because God has a plan both for the wicked and the righteous...if you are trusting in the Lord, you dont need to worry at all.

 

[Journeyman]

Dont you think thats a problem, possibly? Lone ranger Christian who disagrees with EVERYONE? Is there any chance that you might be wrong? The Bible quite plainly states Jesus died for our sins, that would be SUBSTITUTION. He died for our sins, shed His blood, so that OUR SINS can be forgiven. Do you believe this? If you do, thats substitutionary atonement. If you dont, well you're a heretic, no nice way to put it.

I'm not offended bro. I sincerely believe you think I'm a heretic because you believe what you're saying is true and you only want the best for me, Look at how Jesus died for our sins, because of our sins.

For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me. Psa.69:9

Does this mean Jesus substituted himself for us? Does it mean Jesus suffered the wrath of God taking the punishment we deserve? Not at all. Look,

Each of us should please our neighbors for their good, to build them up. For Christ did not please himself, but as it is written, “The reproaches of those who reproached you fell on me.” Rom.15:2-3

Paul is saying when we do good and suffer, we see how sinners reproached Christ, God in the flesh, not as a substitute, but to prove the unrepentant hate God who gave them no reason.

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures 1Cor.15:3

But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause. Jn.15:25

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. Jn.3:19

 

[Journeyman]

You dont make sense and sorry you being rude.
Just because you had a bad church experience with wrong teachings doesnt mean everyone else on here has.

I wasn't being rude. I'm sorry if you took it that way. I was only pointing out the strange idea that God punished his Son isn't my idea. It has been taught for hundreds of years.

 

[Journeyman]

Also Lanolin, Jesus judging the living and the dead makes sense. And I don't believe I had a bad church experience.

 

[Lanolin]

Also Lanolin, Jesus judging the living and the dead makes sense. And I don't believe I had a bad church experience.

Its ok i didnt mean judging didnt make sense it was your other post that ddnt make sense.

Dont worry about it. Also dont worry about the lake of fire since its not for you! We're saved arent we?! Thank you Lord.

I think with you its just you believe all going to happen all at the same time, but actually theres going to be 1000 years where the saints will rule with Jesus on earth so its actually going to be really quick the second death for those unbeliving wicked ones who are denied entry into the Kingdom...forever.

Jesus says the angels will reap the wheat and save it first into the barn...and the tares he will burn. The burning is going to happen right at the end. Not sure if can explain but we not going to be burned up with unbelievers no way! Theres a separation. Judgement begins FIRST with the church and we will get our rewards first...those in detention/condmenation have to wait 1000 years to receive their judgement...its like God says he will deal with them later!!

 

[louis]

Jesus says the angels will reap the wheat and save it first into the barn...and the tares he will burn. The burning is going to happen right at the end. Not sure if can explain but we not going to be burned up with unbelievers no way! Theres a separation. Judgement begins FIRST with the church and we will get our rewards first...those in detention/condmenation have to wait 1000 years to receive their judgement...its like God says he will deal with them later!!

As Mark 13:27 says the Lord will send His angels to gather His people from the four winds, throughout the whole earth to the uttermost part of heaven, I'm then wondering if this is where the Lords people are gathered to the Middle East?


Mark 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

 

[Journeyman]

Its ok i didnt mean judging didnt make sense it was your other post that ddnt make sense.

Dont worry about it. Also dont worry about the lake of fire since its not for you! We're saved arent we?! Thank you Lord.

I think with you its just you believe all going to happen all at the same time, but actually theres going to be 1000 years where the saints will rule with Jesus on earth so its actually going to be really quick the second death for those unbeliving wicked ones who are denied entry into the Kingdom...forever.

Jesus says the angels will reap the wheat and save it first into the barn...and the tares he will burn. The burning is going to happen right at the end. Not sure if can explain but we not going to be burned up with unbelievers no way! Theres a separation. Judgement begins FIRST with the church and we will get our rewards first...those in detention/condmenation have to wait 1000 years to receive their judgement...its like God says he will deal with them later!!

I believe the marriage supper is showing God's oneness with his people, believers, from the beginning of this current creation until the end of it.

Jesus defeated the powers of darkness, Satan and all his demons in the weakness of his flesh and we do the same by faith in our Savior. I believe those evil spirits will also be judged at Jesus's judgment seat at his return, not 1000 year later.

 

[Diakonos]

You need to go back to square one, since you are equating the judgment of the Church with the judgment of the unsaved. Two totally separate and UNRELATED judgments.

Diakonos, I have heard what you're saying in many different churches. I have seriously prayed and examined this doctrine. I disagree with it my friend and here's why,

They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Jn.17:16
For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son Col.1:13
he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. Heb.13:5
And remember, I am with you always Mt.28:20

I realize letting Jesus in person comes later, but we are separated from unbelievers because Christ is in us now. We are in the world but not of it. His judgment later shows, proves, manifests what was true now.

Examine the "great white throne" judgment next to the "judgment seat of Christ" and without adding anything to the text, is anything different? I don't mean is anything missing. Don't read anything into the text. Is any one element different from the other?

The bema is a tribunal for rewards. In the large Olympic arenas, there was an elevated seat on which the judge of the contest sat. After the contests were over, the successful competitors would assemble before the bema to receive their rewards or crowns. The bema was not a judicial bench where someone was condemned; it was a reward seat. Likewise, the Judgment Seat of Christ is not a judicial bench. The Christian life is a race, and the divine umpire is Jesus Christ. After the race is over for each believer, He will gather every member before the bema for the purpose of examining each one and giving the proper reward to each.

Also, The judging of believers will occur after the rapture of the church, but before the Second Coming of Christ to the earth. In the Book of Revelation, we are told:
"Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear." (Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the saints." (Revelation 19:7,8).

We are told that the bride is clothed with righteous deeds. The church, therefore, has already been at the judgment seat of Christ because they are ready for the groom when He comes.
Hence the judgment takes place sometime before the Second Coming of Christ.

 

[iamsoandso]

It's sitting right in front of our faces. A tree seed germinates,it grows into a tree it's leaves fall and the tree dies and falls to the ground. The leaves decay,the tree trunk rots,the bugs and worms eat and the rest falls to the ground again. The microscopic organisms break bread with the Lord and eat and the same takes place until this is reduced to molecules,elements and isotopes ect.

A man does this, a car the same,the birds,the fish and a mouse. Nothings immune from this but those spoken of in scripture. All will suffer corruption and will work it's way down into the fire burning in the midst of the earth. Down,down into the fire all but the Resurrection,praised is my Lord and God.

 

[Journeyman]

The bema is a tribunal for rewards. In the large Olympic arenas, there was an elevated seat on which the judge of the contest sat. After the contests were over, the successful competitors would assemble before the bema to receive their rewards or crowns. The bema was not a judicial bench where someone was condemned;

Yes it was,

When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha. Jn.19:13

it was a reward seat. Likewise, the Judgment Seat of Christ is not a judicial bench. The Christian life is a race, and the divine umpire is Jesus Christ. After the race is over for each believer, He will gather every member before the bema for the purpose of examining each one and giving the proper reward to each.

Also, The judging of believers will occur after the rapture of the church, but before the Second Coming of Christ to the earth. In the Book of Revelation, we are told:
"Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear." (Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the saints." (Revelation 19:7,8).

We are told that the bride is clothed with righteous deeds. The church, therefore, has already been at the judgment seat of Christ because they are ready for the groom when He comes.
Hence the judgment takes place sometime before the Second Coming of Christ.

Brother, the Bride is making herself ready...now...not later.

 

[Sipsey]

Yes it was,

When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha. Jn.19:13


Brother, the Bride is making herself ready...now...not later.

Bema Seat
Bema Seat - What Is It and When Is It?
The concept of the Bema Seat comes from the ancient Olympics, where a judge would sit on the Bema Seat at the finish line. The judge's purpose was to determine what position the runners came in-first, second, and so on-and then to give out the appropriate rewards. That is the imagery behind what is known as the Bema Seat.

Also known as the Judgment Seat of Christ, the Bema Seat is described in 1 Corinthians 3:12-15, "If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames." Your gold, silver, and costly stones are works done for the glory of God, with the right motive, and in dependence upon the power of the Holy Spirit.

There is some debate as to the exact timing of the Bema Seat. Some understand it to occur at the moment of death for each believer. Others believe the Bema Seat to occur during the end times, with all believers being judged at that time. It does not truly matter when the Bema Seat occurs. It is far more important that we be prepared for the Bema Seat.
Bema Seat - What It Isn't
The Bema Seat judgment does not determine salvation. Rather, it is when believers must give an account of their lives to Christ. It is very important to not confuse the Bema Seat with the Great White Throne judgment. Revelation 20:11-15 describe this judgment, "Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." The Great White Throne is where those who do not believe in Jesus Christ are judged and condemned.

In contrast, the Bema Seat is for believers whose salvation has already been secured by faith in Jesus Christ (John 3:16; Romans 10:9-10). We should not focus on the Bema Seat as Christ judging our sins, but rather as God rewarding us according to our lives. Yes, we will surely have to give an account of our lives. Romans 14:10-12 explains, "You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. It is written: "'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'" So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God." Part of this judgment is answering for the sins we committed. At the same time, I do not think judgment is going to be the focus of the Bema Seat.

In 2 Corinthians 5:10, Paul gives the Corinthian church an illustration of the Bema Seat, "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad." Paul is teaching us that all Christians will stand before the Bema Seat of Christ. At the Bema Seat, Jesus Christ will bring to light every deed-good or bad-that each believer has done on earth since he or she became a Christian. Every Christian will be rewarded based on his words, deeds, and faithfulness.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Bema Seat
Bema Seat - What Is It and When Is It?
The concept of the Bema Seat comes from the ancient Olympics, where a judge would sit on the Bema Seat at the finish line. The judge's purpose was to determine what position the runners came in-first, second, and so on-and then to give out the appropriate rewards. That is the imagery behind what is known as the Bema Seat.

Also known as the Judgment Seat of Christ, the Bema Seat is described in 1 Corinthians 3:12-15, "If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames." Your gold, silver, and costly stones are works done for the glory of God, with the right motive, and in dependence upon the power of the Holy Spirit.

There is some debate as to the exact timing of the Bema Seat. Some understand it to occur at the moment of death for each believer. Others believe the Bema Seat to occur during the end times, with all believers being judged at that time. It does not truly matter when the Bema Seat occurs. It is far more important that we be prepared for the Bema Seat.
Bema Seat - What It Isn't
The Bema Seat judgment does not determine salvation. Rather, it is when believers must give an account of their lives to Christ. It is very important to not confuse the Bema Seat with the Great White Throne judgment. Revelation 20:11-15 describe this judgment, "Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." The Great White Throne is where those who do not believe in Jesus Christ are judged and condemned.

In contrast, the Bema Seat is for believers whose salvation has already been secured by faith in Jesus Christ (John 3:16; Romans 10:9-10). We should not focus on the Bema Seat as Christ judging our sins, but rather as God rewarding us according to our lives. Yes, we will surely have to give an account of our lives. Romans 14:10-12 explains, "You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. It is written: "'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'" So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God." Part of this judgment is answering for the sins we committed. At the same time, I do not think judgment is going to be the focus of the Bema Seat.

In 2 Corinthians 5:10, Paul gives the Corinthian church an illustration of the Bema Seat, "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad." Paul is teaching us that all Christians will stand before the Bema Seat of Christ. At the Bema Seat, Jesus Christ will bring to light every deed-good or bad-that each believer has done on earth since he or she became a Christian. Every Christian will be rewarded based on his words, deeds, and faithfulness.[/QUOTE]

Hello Sipsey,

I am in agreement with everything you said above, until you got to the part of answering for the sins we commit as Christians. Our sins will not even be brought up. For scripture states that "when we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness." The Lord is not going to bring back up what we has already cleansed us of. If that was the case that the Lord is going to bring up our sins that we were already forgiven for, then the blessed hope would be no blessed hope at all. We certainly wouldn't be looking forward to it. The examination our sins would surely overshadow any rewards we would receive.

At the Bema seat, we will receive reward or loss of reward, there will be no judgement for sins.

 

[Sipsey]

In 2 Corinthians 5:10, Paul gives the Corinthian church an illustration of the Bema Seat, "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad." Paul is teaching us that all Christians will stand before the Bema Seat of Christ. At the Bema Seat, Jesus Christ will bring to light every deed-good or bad-that each believer has done on earth since he or she became a Christian. Every Christian will be rewarded based on his words, deeds, and faithfulness.

Hello Sipsey,

I am in agreement with everything you said above, until you got to the part of answering for the sins we commit as Christians. Our sins will not even be brought up. For scripture states that "when we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness." The Lord is not going to bring back up what we has already cleansed us of. If that was the case that the Lord is going to bring up our sins that we were already forgiven for, then the blessed hope would be no blessed hope at all. We certainly wouldn't be looking forward to it. The examination our sins would surely overshadow any rewards we would receive.

At the Bema seat, we will receive reward or loss of reward, there will be no judgement for sins.[/QUOTE]

You are correct, and we are in agreement. I read this and didn’t proof read it thoroughly enough. I agree that we will answer for our deeds and not our sins. I will strive to be more diligent when cutting /pasting. Unfortunately the short time to edit has passed.

 

[Journeyman]

Bema Seat
Bema Seat - What Is It and When Is It?
The concept of the Bema Seat comes from the ancient Olympics, where a judge would sit on the Bema Seat at the finish line. The judge's purpose was to determine what position the runners came in-first, second, and so on-and then to give out the appropriate rewards. That is the imagery behind what is known as the Bema Seat.

Also known as the Judgment Seat of Christ, the Bema Seat is described in 1 Corinthians 3:12-15, "If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames." Your gold, silver, and costly stones are works done for the glory of God, with the right motive, and in dependence upon the power of the Holy Spirit.

There is some debate as to the exact timing of the Bema Seat. Some understand it to occur at the moment of death for each believer. Others believe the Bema Seat to occur during the end times, with all believers being judged at that time. It does not truly matter when the Bema Seat occurs. It is far more important that we be prepared for the Bema Seat.
Bema Seat - What It Isn't
The Bema Seat judgment does not determine salvation. Rather, it is when believers must give an account of their lives to Christ. It is very important to not confuse the Bema Seat with the Great White Throne judgment. Revelation 20:11-15 describe this judgment, "Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." The Great White Throne is where those who do not believe in Jesus Christ are judged and condemned.

In contrast, the Bema Seat is for believers whose salvation has already been secured by faith in Jesus Christ (John 3:16; Romans 10:9-10). We should not focus on the Bema Seat as Christ judging our sins, but rather as God rewarding us according to our lives. Yes, we will surely have to give an account of our lives. Romans 14:10-12 explains, "You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. It is written: "'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'" So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God." Part of this judgment is answering for the sins we committed. At the same time, I do not think judgment is going to be the focus of the Bema Seat.

In 2 Corinthians 5:10, Paul gives the Corinthian church an illustration of the Bema Seat, "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad." Paul is teaching us that all Christians will stand before the Bema Seat of Christ. At the Bema Seat, Jesus Christ will bring to light every deed-good or bad-that each believer has done on earth since he or she became a Christian. Every Christian will be rewarded based on his words, deeds, and faithfulness.

Sipsey, look here,

Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences. 2Cor.5:11

Jesus isn't a terror to believers, but unbelievers.

For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Heb.10:30-31

Once the Bride is ready and the door is shut, the door isn't opened 1000 years later. There is no getting saved, coming to know God, becoming one with him after that.

All the teaching of Jesus is being distorted by misunderstanding "the thousand years reign".

Ask yourself, was Jesus really being reigned over during his ministry on earth? No he wasnt. He reigned in mercy conquering sin and death and still does in his church. The war is now, not later.

When Jesus returns in person, its the end of the war, the manifestation of it for to see.

 

[Lanolin]

I believe the marriage supper is showing God's oneness with his people, believers, from the beginning of this current creation until the end of it.

Jesus defeated the powers of darkness, Satan and all his demons in the weakness of his flesh and we do the same by faith in our Savior. I believe those evil spirits will also be judged at Jesus's judgment seat at his return, not 1000 year later.

So you dont really believe it might take 1000 years to reward all the saints? So chapter 20:4-5 youve reversed?? You dont belive scripure that says there are first and second resurrections?

Weird ok. What church do you go to...? I've never heard someone who doesnt believe what the Bible plainly says and insists the opposite! Of course Jesus returns...for any alive and remaining including the saved righteous who died and will be resurrected together we will rule and reign with him 1000 years and THEN the wicked who are not in the book of life are judged right at the end.

It helps if you just read the chapter as it is written and stop ignoring what it says. Why so insistant that the 1000 years does not happen? Do you only think there will be a handful of saints and we will rule and reign for just one day or something. Theres going to be hundreds of thousands if not millions of believers ...

What goes on in the heavens that John saw of course is happening in eternity which reflects what is to come for believers now. But YOU are not in the afterlife yet. Have you received your crown of glory? Have you been judged the moment you were saved? You have been forgiven right? Have you died and been resurrected already?

I am not asking these questions to be picky but asking you to explain just what you believe the resurrection to be. If you have eternal life now, presumably, you have already died then. Are you in your glorifed body now...and have we all missed the resurrection then. So what happened to all the saints from the past still in their graves? Shouldnt be seeing them...and shouldnt we be able to rock up to the New Jerusalem and celebrate in the Holy City where Jesus is reigning if the Kingdom of Heaven is there now? Where are the twelve apostles on the thrones with Jesus. Send us all tickets to the Holy Land then. Why does the Revelation say EVERY eye shall see Jesus...and how come nobody is seeing Him right now?

It is not in our imaginations. GOd has promised us and Jesus will return to complete the work. Till that time Jesus has sent them holy spirit to witness to Him and spread the gospel. IF Jesus has returned already then it would be obvious to EVERYONE, the entire world not just a few. Our spiritual salvation is saving us for this Kingdom, what do you believe saving actually means. When you save money, for example, does that mean you spend it all now. No, you save it for the rainy day. We believers are living right now by faith. This does not mean the Kingdom is not real to us but it is going to come down from Heaven when Jesus returns which obviously has mot happened yet...because those seven plagues havent been released yet...unless you are telling us they have and we all missed it.

 

[Sipsey]

Sipsey, look here,

Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences. 2Cor.5:11

Jesus isn't a terror to believers, but unbelievers.

For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Heb.10:30-31

Once the Bride is ready and the door is shut, the door isn't opened 1000 years later. There is no getting saved, coming to know God, becoming one with him after that.

All the teaching of Jesus is being distorted by misunderstanding "the thousand years reign".

Ask yourself, was Jesus really being reigned over during his ministry on earth? No he wasnt. He reigned in mercy conquering sin and death and still does in his church. The war is now, not later.

When Jesus returns in person, its the end of the war, the manifestation of it for to see.

Unless there is sound reasoning involved when making a passage allegorical instead of literal, then it leads to distortion of Gods word and compromises involving that particular passage/teaching. It doesn’t end there though, one cannot compromise on 1 point of doctrine without it adversely affecting others.

 

[Lanolin]

The 1000 years to fulfill the promise God made to the Israelites with Jesus on the throne and all the nations to come visit Him. Recall Jesus ministry was cut short after 3 and a half years there in Jerusalem. Why 1000 years. Thats the time frame to put everything right on earth. It has been prophesised in Isaiah.

How many years has been since Jesus was cruficified and raised...more than 1000. Has he returned yet, well no. The reason why people are getting excited is his homeland is preparing for his return.

Why is he waiting so long...he is waiting for all to repent he doesnt want anyone to perish. Thats how I understand it. As for the lake of fire believers are not going to go there, so, one doesnt need to worry. Only those not written in the book of life will be cast there.

To me its seems like the Dead sea is the obvious place for it.

 

[Journeyman]

Unless there is sound reasoning involved when making a passage allegorical instead of literal, then it leads to distortion of Gods word and compromises involving that particular passage/teaching. It doesn’t end there though, one cannot compromise on 1 point of doctrine without it adversely affecting others.

I agree. Jesus's earthly ministry showed nobody can ever reign over him. Demons and men tried and failed. Point is, God and his Word have always ruled. We just didn't know it until Jesus proved it.

And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Mt.4:9

Can you see the insanity of this proposal? Satan offering to give The Creator what already belongs to him?