John 3:16

[p_rehbein]

Matt 3:15-16
And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

Matt 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

John 3:3, 5
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Matt 28:19-20
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Mark 16:16-17
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Matt 21:25
The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?

Goodness.............yet another shot at requiring water baptism for salvation...........works salvation plain and simple, and that just won't cut it........but, shoot, you go ahead and give it a shot.

 

[pottersclay]

Yes that is why it’s good news or nearly too good to be true

Somebody got a cheap edition of the bible...😏😏😏

 

[KnowMe]

Yes that is why it’s good news or nearly too good to be true

Good question Is Jesus and Zacchaeus one of those to good to be true story’s.

Luke 19
1Then Jesus entered Jericho and was passing through. 2And there was a man named Zacchaeus, a chief tax collector, who was very wealthy. 3He was trying to see who Jesus was, but could not see over the crowd, because he was small in stature. 4So he ran on ahead and climbed a sycamore tree to see Him, since Jesus was about to pass that way.

5When Jesus came to that place, He looked up and said, “Zacchaeus, hurry down, for I must stay at your house today.”

6So Zacchaeus hurried down and welcomed Him joyfully. 7And all who saw this began to grumble, saying, “He has gone to be the guest of a sinful man!” 8But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord, half of my possessions I give to the poor, and if I have cheated anyone, I will repay it fourfold.”

9Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because this man too is a son of Abraham. 10For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”

 

[Guojing]

Good question Is Jesus and Zacchaeus one of those to good to be true story’s.

Luke 19
1Then Jesus entered Jericho and was passing through. 2And there was a man named Zacchaeus, a chief tax collector, who was very wealthy. 3He was trying to see who Jesus was, but could not see over the crowd, because he was small in stature. 4So he ran on ahead and climbed a sycamore tree to see Him, since Jesus was about to pass that way.

5When Jesus came to that place, He looked up and said, “Zacchaeus, hurry down, for I must stay at your house today.”

6So Zacchaeus hurried down and welcomed Him joyfully. 7And all who saw this began to grumble, saying, “He has gone to be the guest of a sinful man!” 8But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord, half of my possessions I give to the poor, and if I have cheated anyone, I will repay it fourfold.”

9Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because this man too is a son of Abraham. 10For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”

The story of the prodigal Son would be a more suitable illustration

 

[KnowMe]

The story of the prodigal Son would be a more suitable illustration

Hmm interesting well if you say so, I’m just passing through.

 

[Guojing]

Hmm interesting well if you say so, I’m just passing through.

In the 4 gospels, sometimes Jesus emphasise the law, other times he emphasised grace. U have to use the right stories

 

[Magenta]

I believe you are the one not correctly presenting the gospel, because if someone believes in someone they will do what that person says. Since Jesus commanded baptism, there you go.

Could you please give the verse where Jesus commands people to BE baptized? I know of the one where Jesus commands the disciples TO baptize, but doubt He ever told anyone to be baptized in any of the gospel accounts.

"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing
them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit."
Matt. 28:19

 

[pottersclay]

I don't understand why we dance around land mines on these issues here.
Jesus said to believe in him and keep his commandments. Now I quite agree that baptism is not necessary for salvation but Jesus was baptized, the apostles baptized, the commission included baptism. May I suggest that baptism as scripture shows is part of the obedience in which Christ is looking for? That yet it is not explained to it's fullest it is one of the mysteries of the gospel.
It's seems to have a clear importance in the ministry of our Lord and the apostles.
John the Baptist seemed even puzzled by Jesus himself asking to be baptised.
I think that when ever possible one should be baptised and one should offer to baptise if he is blessed with harvesting by their witness.
Let's stop being ignorant here as we cannot deny it's a practice in scripture. One we can preform as well as receive.
So in my opinion it not only blesses the one being baptized it blesses the one baptising. Bringing full circle the commandment of the commission.
In part the giver as well as the receiver are both humbled in obedience. Especially if the waters cold...😂😂😂😂

 

[mailmandan]

So everyone here believes all you need do is acknowledge that Jesus is the savior and your saved?

Not merely "acknowledge" that Jesus "is" the Savior (even the demons acknowledge that) but a deep personal conviction that Jesus is your Lord and Savior. Romans 10:8 - But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 - that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

 

[Wansvic]

1 Peter 3:21
21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

If water baptism is not essential for salvation than it must be a symbolic act because it is certainly not a saving act.

Actual scripture indicates that because of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, done for mankind and made available through the grace of God, one''s obedience to the command to be water baptized gives one a clear conscience toward God.

"Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:" 1 Peter 3:20-21

 

[tourist]

Actual scripture indicates that because of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, done for mankind and made available through the grace of God, one''s obedience to the command to be water baptized gives one a clear conscience toward God.

"Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:" 1 Peter 3:20-21

There may be a command to be baptized but the command does not specifically state that it must be water baptism. Then, there is the debate on whether or not sprinkling with water is comparable to immersion in water. Regardless, water baptism, in whatever form it takes, does not bring salvation.

 

[dcontroversal]

There may be a command to be baptized but the command does not specifically state that it must be water baptism. Then, there is the debate on whether or not sprinkling with water is comparable to immersion in water. Regardless, water baptism, in whatever form it takes, does not bring salvation.

Nor will it....and was Jesus chunked on the ground with a handful of dirt sprinkled over him or SEALED in a tomb.......and can one come up straight way OUT of the water if they have NOT been under the water? Or when one is sealed by the Holy Spirit if not wholly sealed what gets sealed.........the original word was tied to ships that SUNK completely under the water......<---points to immersion IMV

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Many profess that one need only believe in Jesus to receive everlasting life and quote the following scripture as evidence: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16

The following scriptures prove that there is more to believing than a mental acknowledgment of Jesus as the Messiah:
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” Matt 7:21
“For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.” Matt 12:50

Interestingly, using the same numeric chapter and verse as John 3:16 in the other three gospels, components of the salvation plan presented on the Day of Pentecost are seen and give complete perspective to John 3:16:

Matthew 3:16: Jesus left mankind an example to follow:

“ And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:”

Mark 3:16: A name change must take place. Everyone must take on the name of the bridegroom in water baptism. This is clearly seen in Acts 19:1-6, and conveyed by Peter on the Day of Pentecost:

“And Simon he surnamed Peter;”

Luke 3:16: John the Baptist who introduced the New Testament practice of water baptism declared that Jesus was coming and would introduce another baptism as well that would involve the Holy Ghost along with fire:

“John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:” Luke 3:16

Conclusion: Upon believing that Jesus is the Messiah the Word tells us to search out the faith that was originally delivered to the disciples. (Jude 3) Instructions were first delivered in Jerusalem on the Day of Pentecost: Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:38

Obedience to the above instruction is surely the will of the Father.

agenda anyone? ok let's take a look at this

Many profess that one need only believe in Jesus to receive everlasting life and quote the following scripture as evidence: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16

The following scriptures prove that there is more to believing than a mental acknowledgment of Jesus as the Messiah:
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” Matt 7:21
“For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.” Matt 12:50

who do you have in mind here? who are 'the many'? this is a broad sweeping statement with nothing to back it up.

scripture is always true but cherry picking verses to back up what you personally wish to discuss is not the gold standard for your opening assertion. you obviously wish to discuss OSAS or similar. there are many many threads running on that very theme

John 3:16 does not have a 'perspective. It is true in and of itself. It describes how a person comes into the kingdom of God. There is nothing else to do to save oneself. Baptism does not create a Christian anymore than washing a car does. It is symbolic

while we are to follow Christ, and by the way OBEDIENCE is inherently written into that statement so you either do or you do not obey as you are persuaded by the Holy Spirit, looking for verses that basically put one back under law is not a part of it

if you are saying baptism is required for salvation, it is not. if it was, John 3:16 would read differently

baptism is a public confession of faith in Christ and we should be baptized but if we are not for whatever reason, we are still saved

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I believe you are the one not correctly presenting the gospel, because if someone believes in someone they will do what that person says. Since Jesus commanded baptism, there you go.

no, He did not

please provide the scripture where Jesus commanded baptism. I won't hold my breath

hint: John 3: 5 is not the proof text you seek

 

[Wansvic]

I don’t think any of these version imply that baptism is a requirement for salvation.


Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God....this water birth is when we our born out of our mothers womb i.e after the water breaks. This was the reply to Nicodemus asking can an old man return to his mother’s womb.

What about the thief on the cross? Had he been baptized? Was he justified by his faith?

In the natural birth created by God the baby is formed in the womb (Jer 1:5, Ps 139:13-16) and breaks forth from the water of the mother's womb and breathes in air upon entrance into the world becoming a viable human being.
Why is it so hard for people to believe that the natural birth components reflect those of God's design of the spiritual birth? (John 3:3-5) In obedience to the command, willing persons break forth from the water of baptism and receive the infilling of the Holy Ghost in the spiritual rebirth process.

The thief on the cross was under the Old Testament mandate. Jesus death, burial, and resurrection had not taken place yet.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Somebody got a cheap edition of the bible...😏😏😏

gee

that sure is not what I get when I read the responses

I see people who are firm in their faith in Christ and who understand that to follow Christ, means you will obey

that is what is being said...but you go ahead and knock that and really, why would you do that?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

In the natural birth created by God the baby is formed in the womb (Jer 1:5, Ps 139:13-16) and breaks forth from the water of the mother's womb and breathes in air upon entrance into the world becoming a viable human being.
Why is it so hard for people to believe that the natural birth components reflect those of God's design of the spiritual birth? (John 3:3-5) In obedience to the command, willing persons break forth from the water of baptism and receive the infilling of the Holy Ghost in the spiritual rebirth process.

The thief on the cross was under the Old Testament mandate. Jesus death, burial, and resurrection had not taken place yet.

uh oh

then why didn't everyone just stop and offer up a lamb for forgiveness of sins?

THE Lamb of God was being offered up...NOT Old Testament

how little you understand what actually happened

the ENTIRE Bible is all about Jesus from beginning to end...not about how we behave or what is required

there is but one thing required and while on the subject, PLENTY of people go ahead and get baptized then act like the devil

I've seen it. better not to get baptized and thereby condemn yourself if you are not willing to actually follow your Savior

 

[Wansvic]

agenda anyone? ok let's take a look at this




who do you have in mind here? who are 'the many'? this is a broad sweeping statement with nothing to back it up.

scripture is always true but cherry picking verses to back up what you personally wish to discuss is not the gold standard for your opening assertion. you obviously wish to discuss OSAS or similar. there are many many threads running on that very theme

John 3:16 does not have a 'perspective. It is true in and of itself. It describes how a person comes into the kingdom of God. There is nothing else to do to save oneself. Baptism does not create a Christian anymore than washing a car does. It is symbolic

while we are to follow Christ, and by the way OBEDIENCE is inherently written into that statement so you either do or you do not obey as you are persuaded by the Holy Spirit, looking for verses that basically put one back under law is not a part of it

if you are saying baptism is required for salvation, it is not. if it was, John 3:16 would read differently

baptism is a public confession of faith in Christ and we should be baptized but if we are not for whatever reason, we are still saved

"Many" is an accurate word.
Cherry picking? John chapter 3 begins at verse 1 and continues on to verse 16, etc. Immediately following the comment in John 3:16 we see Jesus is present as his disciples perform water baptisms. Interesting.

I wonder why He didn't tell the disciples they were doing something that was unnecessary.

John 3:22-23
"After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized."

 

[Wansvic]

Everlasting life is A GIFT of God's grace, not a reward earned for obedience.

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Rom 6:23 and many other Scriptures).

It is quite evident that you are promoting a False Gospel.

God's grace is seen in His making a way for mankind to come back into right standing with Him. He was certainly under no obligation to do so.
How is quoting direct scripture promoting a false gospel?
The Word clearly states they we are ALL to repent, and be baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of sin and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Paul tells us that not all have obeyed the gospel. One obeys the gospel by dying to self in repentance, being buried with Jesus in water baptism, and receiving the Holy Ghost wherein is the resurrection power.
I find it interesting that many get so upset when presented with the scriptures indicating they must step into the waters of baptism in accordance to the command to do so. it is such a small thing for God to ask those who He has laid down His life for.

 

[Wansvic]

That was already covered in my response. But the water of baptism does NOT save anyone. That is a false Gospel.

Jesus Himself said,
Matt 28:19-20
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.