Not By Works

stillness · Feb 3, 2019

"There is no fear in Love, perfect Love delivers us from all fear."
I lived in fear of being lost for years because of a divided spirit. "God has not given us the spirit of fear, but of Love and power and self control." We only have self control over the mind and will of the flesh by the Holy Spirit. Its easy to discern a perfect man, His tongue is tamed, online it would be his fingers are tamed lol. When we hold on to our old life or fall back, we are in fear under the law. Those who don't have compassion on the fallen are also in fear under the law by their judgment on the fallen, not discerning the body of Christ, causing divisions where there could be restoration. These will be judged harshly, "It would be better for you to tie a millstone around your neck and throw yourself in the deepest sea than to offend one of these little ones who believe in Me" In our pride we think we know already and God has to resist us. Fortunately I did not trust what people had to say and also learned to let go of what I though I knew and of my own life. We don't understand the Truth when we have a divided spirit, and anyone causing divisions has a divided spirit. "None of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand." "How did you get here without a wedding garment? and he was speechless." He did not have the garment of praise. My spirit is grieved, aware that the enemy's plan is to cause divisions in the church. "When you therefore se the abomination of desolation standing in the Holy Place, whoever reads let Him understand." The way of escape when we see the divided spirit in the church is in walking in the Spirit, seeking the Lord first, in time alone with Him, to find Him openly in everything. I will post again the link to the video of a woman's escape from this enemy and encounter with Jesus in a dream.

From <https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=dream+of+jesus+amazing&qs=PF&cvid=5bd84bcc071a47c8b94e4e9119dc1555&cc=CA&setlang=en-US&PC=ASTS&ru=%2fsearch%3fq%3ddream%2bof%2bjesus%2bamazing%26form%3dEDGTCT%26qs%3dPF%26cvid%3d5bd84bcc071a47c8b94e4e9119dc1555%26cc%3dCA%26setlang%3den-US%26PC%3dASTS&view=detail&mmscn=vwrc&mid=47CBF6E81399C715E8AF47CBF6E81399C715E8AF&FORM=WRVORC>

The morning after seeing the video, woke up with the realization that what she saw from a window that looked like a soccer field, would be the dimensions of the Holy place: twice as long as wide. The crown of thorns is the rejection from those desiring to be in charge. The steps ascending to the entrance of the Holy place, is the Way Jesus made in Himself, to follow in His steps. "Verily, verily I say to you, hereafter you shall see heaven open and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man." "This Ladder Jacob saw by night as he slept: the angels of God ascending and descending on it and behold the Lord stood above it." A secret Ladder hidden from understanding, wisdom we see dimly. Humbled and raised up to God in this Ladder, we suffer many ups and downs to keep watch until we enter into rest in God. On higher steps much is revealed through Love as we cease from ourselves, immersed in fellowship with God.

Stay on the Rock:
"Many shall be purified and made white and refined but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand." "Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the Holy place (whoever reads, let him understand)." Understanding hidden meaning: Let those who are Living in the Praise of God flee to the Mountains of the Lord's house. Let him who is in fellowship with God, not go down to take things in his hands again, and let him who is in the world, not go back to his old identity, and woe to those who remain babes and those still depending on Mother. But pray and don’t wait until trouble comes to learn to soar alone with God: For then shall be great trouble, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, nor ever shall be.

stillness · Feb 3, 2019

"By God's Grace through Faith," by God's influence inside Faith,
"Faith that works By Love," Faith that works by God,
"Labourers together with God," workers together with the Holy Spirit, we even get paid, ha ha ha, ha ha ha, ha ha ha:
We know we can't boast for being labourers with God, except for the cross ending our old life, empowering us to Live for His praise and paralyze the advance of the enemy. "Break up your hard ground awaken from your sleep and the God of Love will fill your need.
The enemy will eventually wear us out, and look and rejoice in that day, it will be all over.
We all have trouble with pride as men, some things that feed pride of achievement we have to let go as distractions, but those are dead works. For some everything may be dead, like the dead of winter with the branches pruned from the vine, "My soul waits for the Lord, like a night watchman waiting for the coming of the dawn." Some don't like work as a word, obedience is only work when you fall out of Love and we all fall, the main thing is to seek His Love first and get up to Go on in the Kingdom of God within. Since the Work of God and Will God are the same, a controversial man helped me figure this out. Believing Jesus is the Work of God and Will of God, and following Jesus is the Work and Will of God and believing God is following God. There are many options that work as long as you do the Work of God. Just sharpening my sword, "Rejoice always, Pray without ceasing, in everything give Thanks for this is the Work of believing and following the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you" If anyone has trouble with your Work of God, your following God, your Will of God, your believing God. Sharpen your sword and cut Him down to size by the Word of God only and not by your words. You will save Him from trouble, and don't be offended by Him, otherwise the Lord has to cut him to pieces and appoint Him His portion with the hypocrites for offending one of His little ones. And if You don't Have a sharp sword use this one, after all David ended up using Goliath's sword to cut his head of and afterwards as well when he ran away from Saul without a sword.

stillness · Feb 3, 2019

If your wondering why Jesus has to appoint those who cause divisions with the hypocrites, there is no divisions in heaven.
Those who rule with Him are one Spirit with the Holy Spirit.
They may be among the nations of the saved, after all nations are divided.
Those who lose their reward are saved through fire.
Let no one take your crown, "Blessed is he who is not offended in Me"
"Blessed are they that love Your law nothing shall ofend them."

stillness · Feb 3, 2019

"We shall be judged by the perfect law of liberty."
The Truth set us free from our divided spirit, to live in freedom from the sin nature of ego as the fruit of the mind of the flesh in knowledge of good and evil.

blue_ladybug · Feb 3, 2019

GodsGrace101 said:

"Wothless" isn't even a word.. lol

Guojing · Feb 3, 2019

GodsGrace101 said:

Galatians 3 will be enough to change your mind about that belief

justpassinthrough · Feb 3, 2019

gb9 said:

Of course.

Only a person who is born again, and empowered by the Spirit has the ability, or power or authority, to live their life according to the Spirit, which is to say, walk in the truth, and practice righteousness.

Peter says it this way -

His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness,

Everything we need that pertains to godliness and eternal life has been even to us through the Holy Spirit; The Spirit of Grace.

Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. 2 Peter 1:2-4

We now have the power to escape the corrupting influence of the world.

That is what grace does for us, it empowers us, and it also teaches us...

For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works. Titus 2:11-14

the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age

JPT

justpassinthrough · Feb 3, 2019

dcontroversal said:

New King James.

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1

Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. Romans 8:12-13

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21

For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them.
Ephesians 5:5-7

because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them.

JPT

dcontroversal · Feb 3, 2019

GodsGrace101 said:

It's important to quote scripture because there's no other way to know what a member is speaking about. A poster here always mentions the "incorruptible seed"...how we take on the incorruptible.

Your scripture posted above shows that this incorruptible seed happens AFTER our death and not before. (which would be 1 Corinthians 15:50-58).

When scripture is posted, a reader can see for himself what is being said.
As is proven by this thread...some scripture is misunderstood, or understood in such as way as to make it conform to a belief that already exists. (eisegesis).

We take on incorruptible seed after we die...when we will never die again...we become immortal and get back this gift which we originally had before the fall.

False again.................

dcontroversal · Feb 3, 2019

GodsGrace101 said:

Paul does not teach faith alone.
Paul teaches salvation = Faith plus works.

The question becomes WHICH works?
Paul was preaching to persons (the Jews) that believed all their life that their works....the keeping of the 613 laws would save their soul. They toiled to work for their salvation.

Paul taught two mysteries...
The major mystery was that salvation was for all nations. Genesis 22:18
The second was that we are saved by faith and not by works. This is justification.

Abraham had faith already in Genesis 12:1
Why?
Because he obeyed God. We can only obey God when we have faith in Him,,,and this is the faith that can save us...believing (obeying) Him is what you call true saving faith. God told Abraham to go,,,and he went. He was saved at this point, Genesis 12:1 -- no need to wait till Genesis 15:6

He wanted his brethren to understand that we are saved by faith....just as in the O.T. and which message had become lost to them, and to which the Law had become burdensome. Jesus wanted them to understand that we change from the inside out...not by ritual.

Paul preached this same faith to the Gentiles.
Every one of his letters has works in it.
Didn't Paul himself work?
Isn't preaching the gospel a work?
Isn't being a missionary a work?
When we work from our faith, we are doing God's work.
Ephesians 2:10

Romans 1:5-9
5through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles for His name’s sake,
6among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;
7to all who are beloved of God in Rome, called as saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
8First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, because your faith is being proclaimed throughout the whole world.
9For God, whom I serve in my spirit in the preaching of the gospel of His Son, is my witness as to how unceasingly I make mention of you,

Paul states above that we have received Apostleship, which is Discipleship. A disciples follows his leader and teacher and master and does what is required of him. Sometimes we do out of love for him, as is proclaimed here on this thread....and sometimes we do because that is what is required of us.
Galatians 6:9
9Let us not lose heart in doing good, for in due time we will reap if we do not grow weary.

If Paul says we might grow weary, it means that possibility is there.
He's saying that even IF WE DO grow weary....we still have to do good.
And anything we do for God is a work of God as in Ephesians 2:10

If we want to call ourselves a Christian, we are required to be a disciple and work for God.
Those in the Kingdom of God will be doing the works of the Kingdom...
It's a real place (dimension) with a real ruler and real rules.

Check every letter of Paul. He tells us what not to do, flip it and he's telling us what TO DO.

Some here say this is descriptive and not prescriptive.
I say we stop using words that are not even biblical and read the N.T. plainly and understand its simple message.

2 Timothy 3:16
16All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
17so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

This is sanctification.

False again......nothing but flawed and false dogma from you Fran

blue_ladybug · Feb 3, 2019

dcontroversal · Feb 3, 2019

A poster above stated that Paul teaches salvation is faith plus works <----this is Catholic dogma and false....DO NOT BELIEVE THE DECEIVERS THAT BLEND FAITH PLUS WORKS FOR or to KEEP SALVATION.....they are deceived, and ALL who believe it are called fools and bewitched by PAUL.....the words of PAUL, JESUS, LUKE PETER and JOHN ALL prove the stance that FAITH and WORKS equal salvation is false.....!!

Not BY works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy has he saved us.

In the grace we are, having been saved out of faith, and that NOT of ourselves, it is the GIFT of GOD and not of WORKS lest any man should boast.

For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

And He said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."

For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

"He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

"For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."

But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,

But these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.

Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."

"He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls.

Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone,

dcontroversal · Feb 3, 2019

blue_ladybug said:

Morning BLUE...good to see ya......

dcontroversal · Feb 3, 2019

Here is a good one for those that argue the O.T. does not testify of JESUS and or make salvation clear.......

ACTS 10:43 "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."

mailmandan · Feb 3, 2019

justpassinthrough said:

Walking according to the Spirit is descriptive of children of God. Those who are habitually dominated by the sinful nature (unbelievers) put their minds on the things of the sinful nature, but those who are habitually dominated by the Spirit (believers) put their minds on the things of the Spirit.

I find it interesting that you IGNORE verses 8-11. Romans 8:8 - So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

Yes, those who PRACTICE such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God PRACTICES sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 Corinthians 6:9 mentions these works of the flesh and refers to such people who will not inherit the kingdom of God as the UNRIGHTEOUS -- which refers to unbelievers. In regards to believers, in 1 Corinthians 6:11, we read - Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

That is descriptive of unbelievers. Now in regards to believers: Ephesians 2:1 - And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, (past tense) 2 in which you once walked (past tense) according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, (unbelievers) 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others. 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

dcontroversal · Feb 3, 2019

justpassinthrough said:

Take your false stance up with GOD and the latter half of Romans 8:1 has been added and then used falsely by religionists like yourself to peddle a false dogma that leads to the pit.

New American Standard Bible
"He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

King James Bible
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

justpassinthrough · Feb 3, 2019

dcontroversal said:

There’s a whole lot more than Romans 8:1.

So now you are against the NKJV, KJV, as well as all the other scriptures that pertain to practicing the works of the flesh.

because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them.

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1

Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. Romans 8:12-13

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21

For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them.
Ephesians 5:5-7

because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them.

JPT

GodsGrace101 · Feb 3, 2019

Guojing said:

which part?

UnderGrace · Feb 3, 2019

stillness said:

UnderGrace · Feb 3, 2019

dcontroversal said:

Amen and Amen ......do not believe these DECEIVERS........To state that works play a part in our salvation is FALSE!!!!!

Works have never justified!!!

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