Praying in Tongues

[Noose]

you have said they have ceased the word of God did not say they would cease in the 1st century. you assume they have because you did not see it. I look at the word of God and if one asked me "does God do miracles today?", I would yes. If they asked have you seen any, I would say yes. And if I did not see any I would say no I have not seen God do a miracle. " That is proof God doesn't do it anymore". I would tell them I believe God does and has done and continues to do miracles and I do not need to see to know HE does them., nor does God need my validation of what HE does.

I don't assume nothing, i know from experience and also reading the scriptures and yes they ceased in the 1st century.
If they did not cease in the first century, when do you think they will cease?

I didn't say there are no miracles today, there's plenty but just as the scripture says:

2 Thess 2:9The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the working of Satan, with every kind of power, sign, and FALSE wonder, 10and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them.

Are there miracles today? yes, plenty. Is it God doing His work? No, it is satan doing his work to deceive the lost.

The kingdom of God doesn't come with observable signs.

 

[Noose]

of course, I should with you unwilling to answer my question.

"man in hospital dies on table for 15 minutes doctors use shock treatment and he comes back to life . Did the doctors raise the dead or did God?"

1. if the doctor brought him back the doctor has the power to raise the dead and you are ok with that because it is a doctor.
2. If you agree with that then God is not the only one who controls those who die and come back. man too is as long as they are a doctor and maybe they have the gift of raising the dead. I'm sure those of secular humanism swallow that much better than praying for one to come back to life.

the problem is God is the only one who gives life and or does raise the dead. Not the doctor. it does not matter if you are dead 5 minutes, 15, or four hours you are not coming back IF GOD does NOT allow it to be so. Those of secular humanism say well he was not dead more than 4 minutes, therefore, he could be brought back. really? that is not what the word of God says. men are more willing to give credit to doctors and for bringing a person back from the dead, then God.

How many times do you want it answered?

There's no such thing as a man dying for 15 minutes, who are you to say that a man died for this amount of time? Spiritually, death means the spirit is separated with the body and is with God- as far as this definition is concerned, there's no such thing as a man dying for 15 minutes, only God knows.
Medically, death could mean no response as is measured by medical equipment. This is not the death i was talking about.
The death i was talking about is like that of Lazarus or better still, you need to ask "if a man died and was buried 2 years ago and doctors use shock treatment and he comes back to life.." then we can talk, otherwise it is a waste of time.

 

[CS1]

There's no such thing as a man dying for 15 minutes, who are you to say that a man died for this amount of time? Spiritually, death means the spirit is separated with the body and is with God- as far as this definition is concerned, there's no such thing as a man dying for 15 minutes, only God knows.
Medically, death could mean no response as is measured by medical equipment. This is not the death i was talking about.
The death i was talking about is like that of Lazarus or better still, you need to ask "if a man died and was buried 2 years ago and doctors use shock treatment and he comes back to life.." then we can talk, otherwise it is a waste of time.

then you sir are dishonest many people have been pronounced dead DOR and were brought back, raised up from the dead.
th death I am talking about is dead .
no longer alive.

"a dead body"those who have died. you make excuses. God is not in control of those who have died 5 minutes? it has to be four days? why, not two days, why not 1 day, why not 4 hours; God is only the god of those who are dead four days or more?

As I said you give Doctors and the machines "shock treatment and he comes back to life.." wow There you go, finally Doctors are the ones with machines that control one coming back to life. NOT Prayer. Not God, but doctors. Not faith but machines. Not the word of God but man.

Then these types attack those who believe today that GOD is the one who allows a person to come back from the dead NOT a man or Doctor, but God. They attack because they have not seen it but man can. Those who pray for a person to come back, are asking God and trusting GOD not man. Of course, it is a waste of your time. Your intellectual superiority prevents you from seeing God is the one doing it.

 

[CS1]

I don't assume nothing, i know from experience and also reading the scriptures and yes they ceased in the 1st century.
If they did not cease in the first century, when do you think they will cease?

I didn't say there are no miracles today, there's plenty but just as the scripture says:

2 Thess 2:9The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the working of Satan, with every kind of power, sign, and FALSE wonder, 10and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them.

Are there miracles today? yes, plenty. Is it God doing His work? No, it is satan doing his work to deceive the lost.

The kingdom of God doesn't come with observable signs.

you assume doctors bring back people from the dead, not God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Of course, it is a waste of your time. Your intellectual superiority prevents you from seeing God is the one doing it.

I was going to give this post a like, because i agree with it.

Sadly this remark is exactly what i have been talking about, i mean really? This does not prove anyones point!

 

[CS1]

I was going to give this post a like, because i agree with it.

Sadly this remark is exactly what i have been talking about, i mean really? This does not prove anyones point!

then maybe you should leave in the context to which it was given in then huh? because that was a response a comment by another. Now do you want again to start a meanless dialog with me when I have asked you not to? And I do not stay up very late looking for likes or dislikes to my post. Thank you anyway but no thank you.

 

[Noose]

then you sir are dishonest many people have been pronounced dead DOR and were brought back, raised up from the dead.
th death I am talking about is dead .
no longer alive.

"a dead body"those who have died. you make excuses. God is not in control of those who have died 5 minutes? it has to be four days? why, not two days, why not 1 day, why not 4 hours; God is only the god of those who are dead four days or more?

As I said you give Doctors and the machines "shock treatment and he comes back to life.." wow There you go, finally Doctors are the ones with machines that control one coming back to life. NOT Prayer. Not God, but doctors. Not faith but machines. Not the word of God but man.

Then these types attack those who believe today that GOD is the one who allows a person to come back from the dead NOT a man or Doctor, but God. They attack because they have not seen it but man can. Those who pray for a person to come back, are asking God and trusting GOD not man. Of course, it is a waste of your time. Your intellectual superiority prevents you from seeing God is the one doing it.

Are we still in the Christian chat forum or we have moved to the Biotechnology/medical forum?

Your argument falls flat in different fronts:

1. The scriptural meaning of death is a separation of the body and the spirit. There are no medical equipment that can measure the absence or how long the spirit has been separated from the body, so the kind of death you are talking about is not what was being discussed here.

2. If it is flue, then we have 'men of God' that can easily lay there hands on people so that they can receive a healing and all praise be to God. For flues we also have doctors and their medical equipment and drugs that cure the flue only that in this case we never see any Charismater saying the doctors have been gifted by God, only those that lay hands are gifted in this case. But when it comes to reviving a heart that has stopped for 15 minutes, then the doctors are now gifted by God.

3. To be sure that the spirit has left the body, can the doctors revive a two year old dead body?

 

[Noose]

you assume doctors bring back people from the dead, not God.

Doctors can bring people from 'medical death' which basically means reviving a non responsive person. If they can bring people from the dead, why do have so many graves and nobody is even trying?

 

[CS1]

I love how the truth of those who hold to humanist biblical understanding attack those who hold the idea and faith God can and still does. some hold to science and medical equipment, and intellect of man to be the answer and have the ability to do incredible things even miracles. Yet those who read the word of God and see what God has done and believes God can do it today, are treated as ignorant unlearned, and substandard. You have to be dead fours days for God to have done a miracle of raising the dead. because man can bring a person back to life with types of equipment from the dead, God has no say in it at all.

you unlearned pray for what God does not do anymore man does it. God stopped doing anything like that in the 1st century.
But I prayed and God answered he was dead for 30 minutes, nope he was not really dead. The doctors dead it. IT was not a miracle. This is what has crept into the church secular humanism. it's like debating an atheist

 

[Hevosmies]

I guess this is just one of those things that you NEED TO EXPERIENCE.

After that, once you've been there and done that, there is no more 'debate' and we switch from intellectual argumentation and bible interpretation to REALITY

 

[Noose]

I love how the truth of those who hold to humanist biblical understanding attack those who hold the idea and faith God can and still does. some hold to science and medical equipment, and intellect of man to be the answer and have the ability to do incredible things even miracles. Yet those who read the word of God and see what God has done and believes God can do it today, are treated as ignorant unlearned, and substandard. You have to be dead fours days for God to have done a miracle of raising the dead. because man can bring a person back to life with types of equipment from the dead, God has no say in it at all.

you unlearned pray for what God does not do anymore man does it. God stopped doing anything like that in the 1st century.
But I prayed and God answered he was dead for 30 minutes, nope he was not really dead. The doctors dead it. IT was not a miracle. This is what has crept into the church secular humanism. it's like debating an atheist

Again, death is the separation of the spirit from the body and there are no equipment that can snatch the spirit from the presence of God and enjoin the spirit to the body again. Whether you have a humanist or an angelic thinking, this is a no go, which means there's such thing as dead for 30 minutes and praying or shocking for the spirit to come back. Only God knows how long a person is dead.

 

[Noose]

I guess this is just one of those things that you NEED TO EXPERIENCE.

After that, once you've been there and done that, there is no more 'debate' and we switch from intellectual argumentation and bible interpretation to REALITY

I was once a charismata and i experienced 'tongues', it is nothing for sure.

So we toss faith aside and rely on experience? God has already told us what it is and we can choose to believe it or not.

 

[CS1]

Are we still in the Christian chat forum or we have moved to the Biotechnology/medical forum?

Your argument falls flat in different fronts:

1. The scriptural meaning of death is a separation of the body and the spirit. There are no medical equipment that can measure the absence or how long the spirit has been separated from the body, so the kind of death you are talking about is not what was being discussed here.

2. If it is flue, then we have 'men of God' that can easily lay there hands on people so that they can receive a healing and all praise be to God. For flues we also have doctors and their medical equipment and drugs that cure the flue only that in this case we never see any Charismater saying the doctors have been gifted by God, only those that lay hands are gifted in this case. But when it comes to reviving a heart that has stopped for 15 minutes, then the doctors are now gifted by God.

3. To be sure that the spirit has left the body, can the doctors revive a two-year-old dead body?

coming from a guy who said, " shock treatment and he comes back to life.." that doctors can bring back man from the dead but prayer can't. gives credit to man not God. The argument is very biblical who is the one in control of life God or man?
An fLUE? HAHAHAHA that is a new one. people love the flue which is not a biblical one but a humanistic explanation, hey is a not flue kind of like an unexplainable event which could be a miracle? You want to raise the bar and ask can a doctor revive one who is two years-dead LOL hahaha guess what a doctor can do it even in 5 minutes IT is GOD. say 10 years it is God, not man.you do not see that if a person's heart stops beating one minute, one hour, one day, or one year, GOD is the one who brings them back. you make the following comment "
Are we still in the Christian chat forum or we have moved to the Biotechnology/medical forum?

But I am not the one who gives all power to doctors as you do. I do not lambast those who say God does miracles today. You are the one aruging God does not do them. you and the one who has said Man can, not me. LOL

 

[CS1]

Again, death is the separation of the spirit from the body and there are no equipment that can snatch the spirit from the presence of God and enjoin the spirit to the body again. Whether you have a humanist or an angelic thinking, this is a no go, which means there's such thing as dead for 30 minutes and praying or shocking for the spirit to come back. Only God knows how long a person is dead.

how do you know one know if one has the spirit separated from the Body and Did Jesus say that Lazarus was dead? and was not other who Jesus raised from the DEAD not dead as long as the Biblical account of Lazarus So when the Bible says they were dead that does not mean they were really dead because they had to have the spirit separated from them. I see so one can shock thr spsirt of one to come back, surely you have Biblical support for that assertion and you like to say to those who speak in tongues and believe that God still heals today .... Prove it.

 

[Hevosmies]

I was once a charismata and i experienced 'tongues', it is nothing for sure.

So we toss faith aside and rely on experience? God has already told us what it is and we can choose to believe it or not.

you experienced it, and say it was nothing? Okay.

What led you to change views?

 

[CS1]

I was once a charismata and i experienced 'tongues', it is nothing for sure.

So we toss faith aside and rely on experience? God has already told us what it is and we can choose to believe it or not.

right, you're experience if good or not is authoritative for all. I see .

 

[eternally-gratefull]

then maybe you should leave in the context to which it was given in then huh? because that was a response a comment by another. Now do you want again to start a meanless dialog with me when I have asked you not to? And I do not stay up very late looking for likes or dislikes to my post. Thank you anyway but no thank you.

As i said,

2 wrongs do not make a right, your a mod, you should know better, what you did is what so many see which do not like christianity, because the people act like they are so much greater than others, and all they do is mock people who disagree with them,

As far as what the other person said, i would not know, i evidently have that person on ignore, if he has been doing the same thing, then he is just as guilty. But again, your a mod, you should hold yourself to a higher standard. And others should hold you as such

What i said is truthful it did not prove you were right, and did nothing to advance your belief. If you think it did, well that just explains alot.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't assume nothing, i know from experience and also reading the scriptures and yes they ceased in the 1st century.
If they did not cease in the first century, when do you think they will cease?

I didn't say there are no miracles today, there's plenty but just as the scripture says:

2 Thess 2:9The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the working of Satan, with every kind of power, sign, and FALSE wonder, 10and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them.

Are there miracles today? yes, plenty. Is it God doing His work? No, it is satan doing his work to deceive the lost.

The kingdom of God doesn't come with observable signs.

Just to see who is posting, i opened all posts,

I mean really? You have never seen a miracle? When god miraculously heals someone it is by the power of satan?

 

[Noose]

coming from a guy who said, " shock treatment and he comes back to life.." that doctors can bring back man from the dead but prayer can't. gives credit to man not God. The argument is very biblical who is the one in control of life God or man?
An fLUE? HAHAHAHA that is a new one. people love the flue which is not a biblical one but a humanistic explanation, hey is a not flue kind of like an unexplainable event which could be a miracle? You want to raise the bar and ask can a doctor revive one who is two years-dead LOL hahaha guess what a doctor can do it even in 5 minutes IT is GOD. say 10 years it is God, not man.you do not see that if a person's heart stops beating one minute, one hour, one day, or one year, GOD is the one who brings them back. you make the following comment "
Are we still in the Christian chat forum or we have moved to the Biotechnology/medical forum?

But I am not the one who gives all power to doctors as you do. I do not lambast those who say God does miracles today. You are the one aruging God does not do them. you and the one who has said Man can, not me. LOL

An ugly attempt to put words in my mouth.
My question was very simple, do you believe that God uses some specific men today to resurrect dead bodies physically? and your answer is that doctors have been known to revive dead people. So God's gifts are distributed to the charismatic people plus doctors and their equipment according to you?

Are there men today that lay hands so that dead are physically raised?

 

[Noose]

Just to see who is posting, i opened all posts,

I mean really? You have never seen a miracle? When god miraculously heals someone it is by the power of satan?

I have been miraculously healed myself, all praise be to God but nobody laid their filthy hands on me.
Again, the kingdom of God doesn't come with obersvable signs that people will say "there it is or here it comes or those people doing miracles or these that speak meaningless words.."

NO OBSERVABLE SIGN means no single sign, just understanding.