You did not listen did you? I have the Holy Spirit in my heart, Teaching me all things, and HE has assured me, we true beleivers waiting for the Bridegroom will be going to the wedding in heaven before the Tribulation. You do not want to believe, you will have to go through the tribulation and become a Martyred Tribulation Saint. Hope you know that means you may have to watch your children being beheaded first. I have already been convinced in my BORN AGAIN HUMAN SPIRIT, I'm going to the WEDDING IN HEAVEN.
ARE WE THERE YET? 666
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You did not listen did you? I have the Holy Spirit in my heart, Teaching me all things, and HE has assured me, we true beleivers waiting for the Bridegroom will be going to the wedding in heaven before the Tribulation. You do not want to believe, you will have to go through the tribulation and become a Martyred Tribulation Saint. Hope you know that means you may have to watch your children being beheaded first. I have already been convinced in my BORN AGAIN HUMAN SPIRIT, I'm going to the WEDDING IN HEAVEN.
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He (Yeshua) cannot go against what He specifically said in Matthew 24. And I as well have the Holy Spirit in my heart, and I know that God WILL NOT make an exception, especially after He made the claim that we are to go through the Tribulation.
Now, I do respect what you are conveying. I am not even going to argue a moot point concerning your claim. I am however going to stand on the WORD of God and believe what I read from His very spoken lips.
And the wedding in heaven begins immediately after the great Tribulation, sun darkens, moon turns to blood, stars fall from the heavens, lightning strikes from East to West demonstrating His return, and the angels will be charged to gather all of the Elect!!
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Not to dimiss the OP but have you considered the mark to be a symbol like for example the star of david that the jews had to wear and they couldnt buy or sell cos they had this symbol on them, which they were forced to wear for ID purposes. . And then they were put in the ovens in the holocaust...yea that really happened.
The star of david is shown to be actually an occult symbol. It has six sides adding up to 666. Orignally it was solomons seal and he apparently got into witchcraft and sorcery and was obssesed with money.
The star of david is shown to be actually an occult symbol. It has six sides adding up to 666. Orignally it was solomons seal and he apparently got into witchcraft and sorcery and was obssesed with money.
Is this a new pre-trib conversion strategy? To tell people if you dont believe in it, you're not going? All the pre-trib pastors I know say "If you dont believe in the pre-trib rapture dont worry i'll explain it to you on the way up" 
VCO check out brother dcon's book on this subject, FILLED with Scripture references, short read, and shows why the pre-trib rapture is impossible: https://christianchat.com/blogs/book-on-the-2nd-coming-of-christ.172326/page-3
VCO check out brother dcon's book on this subject, FILLED with Scripture references, short read, and shows why the pre-trib rapture is impossible: https://christianchat.com/blogs/book-on-the-2nd-coming-of-christ.172326/page-3
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Much is said of MATTHEW 24 being to the Jews, but Jesus is actually talking to His disciples who believe in Him and says "ye, ye, ye". not "they they they"
Also the parallel passages say unto all to "WATCH" and Mark even leaves out the Sabbath day comment often referred to as proof that its to the jews.
Cant just throw away the bible like that "oh thats for the jews". This is my BIGGEST pet-peeve with dispensationalism, how everything is just to the jews and its dismissed as having no relevancy. Even though we are supposed to be ONE people of God, jew and gentile, in Christ!
and PS: I dont believe in "replacement theology" and I believe Israel has a future. Mass conversion COMING UP
Also the parallel passages say unto all to "WATCH" and Mark even leaves out the Sabbath day comment often referred to as proof that its to the jews.
Cant just throw away the bible like that "oh thats for the jews". This is my BIGGEST pet-peeve with dispensationalism, how everything is just to the jews and its dismissed as having no relevancy. Even though we are supposed to be ONE people of God, jew and gentile, in Christ!
and PS: I dont believe in "replacement theology" and I believe Israel has a future. Mass conversion COMING UP
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IMHO, valued, or not?... The "deadly wound" came on BLACK Tuesday! circa 1929, when the U.S. stock market crashed. Just a "gut" feeling, yanno? (psst....follow the money)
Not real "crazy" about the U.S. going off the "gold standard", nor the "mandatory income tax" either! All around 1913 er thereabouts.
Nor, when the U.S. got completely OFF any "metal backed currency", around the time JFK got "shot", when they went off the silver backing of currency! circa 1963!
Again? IMHO, more or less, under this "guise of capitalism?" Has had the inhabitants of "these several states", more, then less, "enslaved!" Not unlike the Children of Israel were prior to Moses coming unto the scene!
Kinda lends credence to the guy who stated: "Gimme CONTROL over "the money?" "And, I won't CARE, WHAT, nor Whose God "the people" worship!
The "deadly wound" came on BLACK Tuesday! circa 1929, when the U.S. stock market crashed. Just a "gut" feeling, yanno? (psst....follow the money)Not real "crazy" about the U.S. going off the "gold standard", nor the "mandatory income tax" either! All around 1913 er thereabouts.
Nor, when the U.S. got completely OFF any "metal backed currency", around the time JFK got "shot", when they went off the silver backing of currency! circa 1963!
Again? IMHO, more or less, under this "guise of capitalism?" Has had the inhabitants of "these several states", more, then less, "enslaved!" Not unlike the Children of Israel were prior to Moses coming unto the scene!
Kinda lends credence to the guy who stated: "Gimme CONTROL over "the money?" "And, I won't CARE, WHAT, nor Whose God "the people" worship!
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Then Carter has pills! I ain't heard that analogy, since I was knee high to a grasshopper!
GOOD ONE!
HAHHAHAHA my mom drilled that in my head as a kid.....once in a a while it boils back to the surface HAHAH
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Hi thanks for the reply
I would suggest that the foundation of the word metaphor 666 like most doctrines are found in Genesis .
I would offer that the mark is the mark of Cain as one who does not believe the word of God and therefore does not believe the person of the Word as faithless.
Cain was given a punishment from God that he could not bear for killing his brother Abel. Cain as natural man thinking; "out of sight out of mind" It reveals he did not walk by faith or believe in a unseen God when he heard the gospel from Abel . Hebrew 4 calls that "mixing faith". (believing God not seen)
This is when God sent Abel to witness to Cain .Abel the first martyr. That I believe revealed Cain saw no value in buying the unseen things of God.
..Like Esua selling his birth rite for a cup of soup Seeing no value in the unseen things of God.
The buying and selling has to do with spiritual truth .
Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.
I would offer as another way of looking at it. It not a physical mark or some electronic devise . We walk by faith not by sight. The buying and selling has to do with spiritual truth . Electronics or advancement in technology have nothing to do with the gospel . That is another idea like that of the Amish who I am not faulting .Thinking a person can be closer to God by not being part of advancement of "non living things"or "no breath of life". Things which of themselves are neither evil in themselves, or provide a blessing in itself . Nothing is evil of its self save the "evil one".. We walk by faith not by sight Makes me wonder as in e Luke when he does come will he find faith or a worn out religious book that has no authority to dismiss the oral traditions of men.
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
He will come as a theif in the night. their will be no sanctions for food or other things. He could come at any moment, the last day as in the time of Noah .Salivation day for the believer, judgement day for those who had no faith
Luke 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
In that way I think we should be careful how we look and understand especially with electronic technology and use the things of this world wisely. Electronics can be used for either purpose... build up the faith or make it to no effect.
A life time work of leanring how to hear our teacher the Holy Spirit but one that as daily bread I belive should be sought after.
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
The sign of Jonas the prophet, "the gospel of our salvation".
I would suggest that the foundation of the word metaphor 666 like most doctrines are found in Genesis .
I would offer that the mark is the mark of Cain as one who does not believe the word of God and therefore does not believe the person of the Word as faithless.
Cain was given a punishment from God that he could not bear for killing his brother Abel. Cain as natural man thinking; "out of sight out of mind" It reveals he did not walk by faith or believe in a unseen God when he heard the gospel from Abel . Hebrew 4 calls that "mixing faith". (believing God not seen)
This is when God sent Abel to witness to Cain .Abel the first martyr. That I believe revealed Cain saw no value in buying the unseen things of God.
..Like Esua selling his birth rite for a cup of soup Seeing no value in the unseen things of God.
The buying and selling has to do with spiritual truth .
Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.
I would offer as another way of looking at it. It not a physical mark or some electronic devise . We walk by faith not by sight. The buying and selling has to do with spiritual truth . Electronics or advancement in technology have nothing to do with the gospel . That is another idea like that of the Amish who I am not faulting .Thinking a person can be closer to God by not being part of advancement of "non living things"or "no breath of life". Things which of themselves are neither evil in themselves, or provide a blessing in itself . Nothing is evil of its self save the "evil one".. We walk by faith not by sight Makes me wonder as in e Luke when he does come will he find faith or a worn out religious book that has no authority to dismiss the oral traditions of men.
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
He will come as a theif in the night. their will be no sanctions for food or other things. He could come at any moment, the last day as in the time of Noah .Salivation day for the believer, judgement day for those who had no faith
Luke 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
In that way I think we should be careful how we look and understand especially with electronic technology and use the things of this world wisely. Electronics can be used for either purpose... build up the faith or make it to no effect.
A life time work of leanring how to hear our teacher the Holy Spirit but one that as daily bread I belive should be sought after.
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
The sign of Jonas the prophet, "the gospel of our salvation".
IMHO, valued, or not?... The "deadly wound" came on BLACK Tuesday! circa 1929, when the U.S. stock market crashed. Just a "gut" feeling, yanno? (psst....follow the money)
Not real "crazy" about the U.S. going off the "gold standard", nor the "mandatory income tax" either! All around 1913 er thereabouts.
Nor, when the U.S. got completely OFF any "metal backed currency", around the time JFK got "shot", when they went off the silver backing of currency! circa 1963!
Again? IMHO, more or less, under this "guise of capitalism?" Has had the inhabitants of "these several states", more, then less, "enslaved!" Not unlike the Children of Israel were prior to Moses coming unto the scene!
Kinda lends credence to the guy who stated: "Gimme CONTROL over "the money?" "And, I won't CARE, WHAT, nor Whose God "the people" worship!
The "deadly wound" came on BLACK Tuesday! circa 1929, when the U.S. stock market crashed. Just a "gut" feeling, yanno? (psst....follow the money)Not real "crazy" about the U.S. going off the "gold standard", nor the "mandatory income tax" either! All around 1913 er thereabouts.
Nor, when the U.S. got completely OFF any "metal backed currency", around the time JFK got "shot", when they went off the silver backing of currency! circa 1963!
Again? IMHO, more or less, under this "guise of capitalism?" Has had the inhabitants of "these several states", more, then less, "enslaved!" Not unlike the Children of Israel were prior to Moses coming unto the scene!
Kinda lends credence to the guy who stated: "Gimme CONTROL over "the money?" "And, I won't CARE, WHAT, nor Whose God "the people" worship!
I would think (IMO) that if Rev. 17:8 was written almost 2000 years ago(ad60-96/debated subject) and the angel is stating to John that the beast that (was,was not yet is) is at that time was "in the pit" and that it would "ascend up out of it" then it would have been a kingdom in the world prior to Rev.17:8 being written and had by that time received it's wound but as the angel states, would after that point in time ascend up and be a kingdom again.
The US then would have needed to have existed as a kingdom before Rev. 17:8 was written and been in the pit when Revelation is given and then ascend up out of the pit in 1776 and although it did become a kingdom in 1776 I cannot see it being a kingdom prior to Rev.17:8 in the worlds history can you?
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Jez goes to show that "His-Story", hasn't ended. Only "man's" interpretation/s have!
But? That's my take, and I'm stickin' to it!
Not to say that my interpretation is correct, or, that yours is not.
To note however, that Israel was under the "assumption" they could "give cause" for God to yield! Which He did! But, only so far!
But? That's my take, and I'm stickin' to it!
Not to say that my interpretation is correct, or, that yours is not.
To note however, that Israel was under the "assumption" they could "give cause" for God to yield! Which He did! But, only so far!
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Excellent point you are making.
The one thing I ask anyone who believes that Enoch, Daniel, Matthew, and Revelation's were written about the 68-70 A.D. Destruction, is we know much of this history from the point of view of Josephus, the Jewish Historian. And Revelation's speaks of one specific event, that if Josephus DOES NOT MENTION, then what happened in 68-70 A.D. was NOT the event spoken in the Bible.
That one specific event, the TWO WITNESSES!!
This particular event takes place for a grand total of 1,263 1/2 days
Revelation 11:
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Now, within a TWO YEAR period between 68 A.D. and 70 A.D, the total of 1,263 1/2 days is extremely SIGNIFICANT.
Why significant?
TWO YEARS = 730 DAYS
1,263 1/2 days = THREE YEARS AND 5 MONTHS
This means the TWO WITNESSES would have been there longer than the actual war lasted. And some how, between those TWO YEARS, the TWO WITNESSES are to be killed and rise again after 3 1/2 days.
So, it would be IMPOSSIBLE for Josephus to not have noticed this event. It would have been impossible for anyone to not have noticed this event. So IMPOSSIBLE, that we know it did not take place during the Destruction in 68-70 A.D.
Cracks me up when I present these facts to those who believe Revelation was speaking about the 68-70 A.D. Destruction. It's like they don't comprehend that if the Bible claims these witnesses were here for 1,263 1/2 days, to divide that by 365 (a one years time), it gives you 3 years and 5 months. Which 3 years and 5 months, is 1 year and 5 months LONGER than the entire 2 year Destruction between 68-70 A.D.!!
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Jez goes to show that "His-Story", hasn't ended. Only "man's" interpretation/s have!
But? That's my take, and I'm stickin' to it!
Not to say that my interpretation is correct, or, that yours is not.
To note however, that Israel was under the "assumption" they could "give cause" for God to yield! Which He did! But, only so far!
But? That's my take, and I'm stickin' to it!
Not to say that my interpretation is correct, or, that yours is not.
To note however, that Israel was under the "assumption" they could "give cause" for God to yield! Which He did! But, only so far!
Yep, it make me wonder about them building another Temple and the new half shekel they decided to pay the Temple tax with,lol http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/242249
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Have it your way then, and you will find you have to go through Tribulation. ONLY THOSE WHO ARE READY FOR THE BRIDEGROOM when HE COMES, will be Caught Up to go the Wedding. IF YOUR THEORY WAS REMOTELY CORRECT, I COULD WAIT UNTIL THOSE EVENTS TOOK PLACE TO GET READY? WRONG, because HE TOLD EVERYONE TO GET READY STARTING NOW!
Matthew 25:1-13 (ESV)
1 “Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom.
2 Five of them were foolish, and five were wise.
3 For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them,
4 but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps.
5 As the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept.
6 But at midnight there was a cry, ‘Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’
7 Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’
9 But the wise answered, saying, ‘Since there will not be enough for us and for you, go rather to the dealers and buy for yourselves.’
10 And while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut.
11 Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us.’
12 But he answered, ‘Truly, I say to you, I do not know you.’
13 Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.
Matthew 24:44 (HCSB)
44 This is why you also must be ready, because the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
I KEEPS READY !
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...bride-to-go-to-the-wedding-of-the-lamb.95283/