Following Paul To Follow Christ

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1Cor 11:1

1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

Following Paul as he follows Christ is imperative for God’s people today who are chosen to be in Christ. Actually, this is not something left to theologians to decide. The work was finished at the Cross, salvation was completed. Every sinner saved today is automatically placed in Christ.

This means Christ is their only life to God, Gal. 2:20.To be born again is not an option. The only salvation there is today is one where Christ is the life of the believer. These are the people the Father will have in His house. They all will be birthed by him. This wonderful salvation includes Israel. It is a "whosoever believeth" gospel.

Who knows all about this gospel? Paul, God’s chosen vessel to deliver it. No wonder we are told to follow Paul as he follows Christ. Israel followed Moses under God's plan for that dispensation, today we follow Paulas He follows Christ. Ironically, following Paul or doing things like Paul did them is mentioned eight times, in different ways, in Paul’s epistles, yet religion still doesn’t get it. Religion continues to deny believers their place in Christ. How simple it would be to read what Paul has to say about the new life in Christ.

However, if believers really want to know the truth, Paul's epistles are able to lead them into the plan of God for their lives. Time is short for believers to find out who they are in Christ.

Being in Christ is strictly for the earthly journey, and the coming of the Lord and the Rapture are growing nearer every day. How sad it would be not to know who we are in Christ when He appears.

Galations 2:20
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
 
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Noblemen said:
1Cor 11:1

1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

Following Paul as he follows Christ is imperative for God’s people today who are chosen to be in Christ. Actually, this is not something left to theologians to decide. The work was finished at the Cross, salvation was completed. Every sinner saved today is automatically placed in Christ.

This means Christ is their only life to God, Gal. 2:20.To be born again is not an option. The only salvation there is today is one where Christ is the life of the believer. These are the people the Father will have in His house. They all will be birthed by him. This wonderful salvation includes Israel. It is a "whosoever believeth" gospel.

Who knows all about this gospel? Paul, God’s chosen vessel to deliver it. No wonder we are told to follow Paul as he follows Christ. Israel followed Moses under God's plan for that dispensation, today we follow Paulas He follows Christ. Ironically, following Paul or doing things like Paul did them is mentioned eight times, in different ways, in Paul’s epistles, yet religion still doesn’t get it. Religion continues to deny believers their place in Christ. How simple it would be to read what Paul has to say about the new life in Christ.

However, if believers really want to know the truth, Paul's epistles are able to lead them into the plan of God for their lives. Time is short for believers to find out who they are in Christ.

Being in Christ is strictly for the earthly journey, and the coming of the Lord and the Rapture are growing nearer every day. How sad it would be not to know who we are in Christ when He appears.

Galations 2:20
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
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We must read, study and consider what the Apostle Paul has been given through the abundance of revelations he received from the Lord.

2 Timothy 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
 
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Noblemen said:
1Cor 11:1

1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

Following Paul as he follows Christ is imperative for God’s people today who are chosen to be in Christ. Actually, this is not something left to theologians to decide. The work was finished at the Cross, salvation was completed. Every sinner saved today is automatically placed in Christ.
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Jesus said: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me". Were the disciples supposed to follow Jesus up until the cross only? No! Part II of the Gospel lay ahead and that means the disciples were supposed thereafter to follow Christ by following Paul.
 
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Marcelo said:
Jesus said: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me". Were the disciples supposed to follow Jesus up until the cross only? No! Part II of the Gospel lay ahead and that means the disciples were supposed thereafter to follow Christ by following Paul.
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Then Jesus was confused in revelation.
In the 7 letters to the 7 churches paul nor his gospel are alluded to.
If paul is the exclusive only way,then Jesus must be mistaken in correcting and commending the church.
 
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John146 said:
We must read, study and consider what the Apostle Paul has been given through the abundance of revelations he received from the Lord.

2 Timothy 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
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Amen to that.
And thank God he left his church with all 66 books.
Jesus being the target of the entire bible.
 
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Noblemen said:
1Cor 11:1

1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

Following Paul as he follows Christ is imperative for God’s people today who are chosen to be in Christ. Actually, this is not something left to theologians to decide. The work was finished at the Cross, salvation was completed. Every sinner saved today is automatically placed in Christ.

This means Christ is their only life to God, Gal. 2:20.To be born again is not an option. The only salvation there is today is one where Christ is the life of the believer. These are the people the Father will have in His house. They all will be birthed by him. This wonderful salvation includes Israel. It is a "whosoever believeth" gospel.

Who knows all about this gospel? Paul, God’s chosen vessel to deliver it. No wonder we are told to follow Paul as he follows Christ. Israel followed Moses under God's plan for that dispensation, today we follow Paulas He follows Christ. Ironically, following Paul or doing things like Paul did them is mentioned eight times, in different ways, in Paul’s epistles, yet religion still doesn’t get it. Religion continues to deny believers their place in Christ. How simple it would be to read what Paul has to say about the new life in Christ.

However, if believers really want to know the truth, Paul's epistles are able to lead them into the plan of God for their lives. Time is short for believers to find out who they are in Christ.

Being in Christ is strictly for the earthly journey, and the coming of the Lord and the Rapture are growing nearer every day. How sad it would be not to know who we are in Christ when He appears.

Galations 2:20
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
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Then either the Holy Spirit missed it,or peter,john,lames and all of rev is not inspired word of God.
None of them followed Paul.


In fact Paul rebuked that notion
"I am glad i baptised none of you except..... Lest you say I am of Paul"
 
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Paul was apostle to the gentiles, esp the gentiles outside of Israel who had neither met nor eyewitnessed Jesus in the flesh. Thats why he went on his missionary journeys...outside of the nation of Israel.
 
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The reality is i don't have to diminish Jesus or the non pauline books to " follow the pauline epistles
 
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Lanolin said:
Paul was apostle to the gentiles, esp the gentiles outside of Israel who had neither met nor eyewitnessed Jesus in the flesh. Thats why he went on his missionary journeys...outside of the nation of Israel.
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And a great deal to the Jews.
Might have even been about 50/50.
 
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Lanolin said:
Paul was apostle to the gentiles, esp the gentiles outside of Israel who had neither met nor eyewitnessed Jesus in the flesh. Thats why he went on his missionary journeys...outside of the nation of Israel.
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As did peter.
1 & 2 peter was written from babylon.
 
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Paul did go further than Peter though and into lands where there were no jews at all he even went to Malta was shipwrecked on that island and people thought after he demonstrated the power of God by healing and stopping snakes that he was God. He soon corrected them lol.

Peter had contact with gentiles too but not to the extent Paul did. GOd gave him a vision about the animals that he could eat with the gentiles after all and not call them or what they ate unclean. Very hard to reach out to people if you refuse to eat with them!
 
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There seem to be two threads on this topic...

IM not going to repeat myself lol
 
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Absolutely said:
Then Jesus was confused in revelation.
In the 7 letters to the 7 churches paul nor his gospel are alluded to.
If paul is the exclusive only way,then Jesus must be mistaken in correcting and commending the church.
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In the 7 letters to the 7 churches the risen Christ is using another spokesman: John.

You're right! Paul is not the exclusive spokesman of Christ, but he is the chief one. Apart from the writings of Paul we must read the epistles of John, Peter, James, Jude and the one to the Hebrews.

What I have always maintained in Christian Chat is that some of Jesus' teachings are not for Gentiles in the New Covenant.
 
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It seems advising others to read the Epistles you ae missing the teachings of how all are jointed together to be fellow heirs with Israel.

The prophecy in Jeremiah, also in Eziekiel and Isaiah, is addresst to Israel and Judah, declaring the truth will be written on our hearts. Most who claim to be Christians assume this prophecy to be to them.

Jesus taught He could raise children of Abraqham from 2these stones." Now how can He raise children of Abraham at that point sicne those born were already with Him? It is the faith of Abraham that makes any children of Abraham. Now, know Abraham translates as ""Honored Father of Nations."

It is simple when we beliee the teachings, but it gets very complicated and untrustworthy when a person attmpts to separate the Focks the Good Shepherd has brought together s One.
 
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Marcelo said:
In the 7 letters to the 7 churches the risen Christ is using another spokesman: John.

You're right! Paul is not the exclusive spokesman of Christ, but he is the chief one. Apart from the writings of Paul we must read the epistles of John, Peter, James, Jude and the one to the Hebrews.

What I have always maintained in Christian Chat is that some of Jesus' teachings are not for Gentiles in the New Covenant.
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You also believe that all Scripture is written for us but not all scripture is about us or written to us (Us means the Gentiles in the Church)?
 
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Marcelo said:
Jesus said: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me". Were the disciples supposed to follow Jesus up until the cross only? No! Part II of the Gospel lay ahead and that means the disciples were supposed thereafter to follow Christ by following Paul.
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Marcelo said:
Jesus said: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me". Were the disciples supposed to follow Jesus up until the cross only? No! Part II of the Gospel lay ahead and that means the disciples were supposed thereafter to follow Christ by following Paul.
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Paul is to the born again as Moses was to the children of Israel. Paul alone recieved this message of Christ in you the hope of glory, without Paul you will not know the Christ in you. Without Paul's gospel we would not know about Christ living in the human being. That needs to be heeded by Christianity, but as we know it is not like that, more fun to preach God opening up the earth and it swallowing thousands of sinners :) the knowledge of good and evil are still running rampant in tge church, from leaders to the lay, very interesting how tgey can dance around the truth of God
 
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They think mentioning the Cross in a sermon is preaching Christ. We do not preach about Him, we preach Christ the life of the believer, that is Paul's gospel plainly written and hid from the minds of men, the revelation gospel, as it is called, must be revealed to the believer just as it was to Paul, Gal. 1:11-12, 15-16, and the keystone scripture for the born again, Gal. 2:20. For those that feel like God has changed them at the cross should read reread and read it again until it is indelibly fixed in them
 
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Absolutely said:
Then either the Holy Spirit missed it,or peter,john,lames and all of rev is not inspired word of God.
None of them followed Paul.


In fact Paul rebuked that notion
"I am glad i baptised none of you except..... Lest you say I am of Paul"
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What is is your take on the gospel Peter preached and the gospel Paul preached, thevtwo decided between them to resolve an issue, what would you suppose that to be???
 
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Guojing said:
You also believe that all Scripture is written for us but not all scripture is about us or written to us (Us means the Gentiles in the Church)?
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All Scripture is written for us to read, but not all commandments are for everyone to obey.

The distinction between teachings of Jesus before the cross, and teachings of Christ after the cross can be used both for good or for evil.

For example: "Be perfect as your heavenly father is perfect". This teaching was given to the Jews when Jesus was expounding the law of Moses.

It's a good thing to know the above fact, because without this knowledge we might think that perfection is essential for salvation and therefore abandon the faith in Christ all at once.

On the other hand it is a bad thing to say that the law against divorce was to the Jews only. No, it was not because Paul wrote the following:

1 Cor. 7:10 But to the married I give instructions, *not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband 11 (but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife. 12 But to the rest *I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13 And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are *holy. 15 Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace.
 
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Jesus Christ, Yeshua, in Matthew, invited me and some others to learn directly from Him because, as He graciously explained, "My yoke is easy, my burden is light."

Of course I have read in the Epistles almost daily for many decades, but in fulfilling the prophecy, I learn first from God, That being Yeshua...

It would be benefisial to all to accept His invitation to be your private Tutor, after all He is the Teacher.
 
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