Is the Jewish God and gentile God the same?

[Blik]

Christ told us they were the same, although it wasn’t until Paul was assigned as the gentile apostle that God was accepted as God of all men.

Today many think the OT did not portray God accurately but Christ changed God. They use the word fulfilled to justify that. I believe the word fulfilled in bible meaning tells us that Christ was from the beginning, Christ was explained all through the OT, and Christ as He acted in our kind of time did, or fulfilled, all that was told of Him.

An example of the change often taught was grace as of the NT, law of the OT. Yet even Abraham shows us God's grace, as Abraham's faith was accounted as righteousness. The blessings given at the covenant at Mt. Sinai never included salvation, that was only by grace.

There was a group of people told of in Acts who believed God was eternal, the same always. They believed as I do that the OT often gives us a more complete picture of what the NT teaches, but there is never a disagreement between the two.

Acts 17: 11 the Bereans were more noble-minded than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if these teachings were true. 12As a result, many of them believed, along with quite a few prominent Greek women and men.…

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

Psalm 102:27
But You remain the same, and Your years will never end.

Malachi 3:6
For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Hebrews 1:11,12
They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Christ told us they were the same, although it wasn’t until Paul was assigned as the gentile apostle that God was accepted as God of all men.

This is quite incorrect. Please read and study Romans 1.

 

[Blik]

This is quite incorrect. Please read and study Romans 1.

Romans 1: 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse

 

[Dino246]

Thread Title: "Is the Jewish God and gentile God the same?"

Christ told us they were the same...

So, you have, in principle, made the assertion, "Christ told us that the Jewish God and the Gentile God are the same".

That's either a massively poor selection of wording, or rank heresy.

The gods to whom the Gentiles adhered were distinctly NOT the God of Israel. They were idols, as is stated in both 1 Chronicles 16:26 and Psalm 96:5, "For all the gods of the nations are idols, but the Lord made the heavens."

Now... I believe you mean the God revealed in Jesus Christ to the Jews at Pentecost and to the Gentiles in Acts 10 and elsewhere, which is a different issue.

I'd suggest you choose your wording a whole lot more carefully.

 

[Blik]

Thread Title: "Is the Jewish God and gentile God the same?"


So, you have, in principle, made the assertion, "Christ told us that the Jewish God and the Gentile God are the same".

That's either a massively poor selection of wording, or rank heresy.

The gods to whom the Gentiles adhered were distinctly NOT the God of Israel. They were idols, as is stated in both 1 Chronicles 16:26 and Psalm 96:5, "For all the gods of the nations are idols, but the Lord made the heavens."

Now... I believe you mean the God revealed in Jesus Christ to the Jews at Pentecost and to the Gentiles in Acts 10 and elsewhere, which is a different issue.

I'd suggest you choose your wording a whole lot more carefully.

I think this subject is way way over your head, you have not studied any OT or you would know that in OT scripture "the nations" are all the natiobns except Israel.

 

[Macabeus]

Yes, He is God of the Jews and the Gentiles. Romans 3:29

God chose Israel to receive His oracle's and through whom to bring Messiah into the world, but it was always His intent to be both the glory of His people Israel and a Light to the Gentiles

God does not change

 

[Tim416]

Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up 10 and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky. 11 But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank. Exodus24:9-11

No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father John6:46

yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. 1Cor8:6

 

[Macabeus]

God does not change. His eternal purpose is immutable. What appears to us as change is actually the progression and gradual growth of what God ordained in eternity

 

[Guojing]

God is always the same. However, how he relates to humans varies, depending on the current administration, or dispensation.

Now, all of us are under the grace dispensation Ephesians 3:2, where God relates to us purely on the basis on whether we believe in Jesus's work on the cross as our righteousness.

Previously, under the OT of the law, God will bless those who keep the law, and curse those who fail to keep the law. You have to do it perfectly though, so its a pretty tough for the Jews then.

 

[dcontroversal]

I am the Lord thy God, I change NOT, therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today tomorrow.

No shadow of turning in God

HE is the only one that can consistently be identified as the SAME.....

It is ridiculous to think for one second that God has changed from the O.T. to the N.T........

Let us make man in our image <----JESUS

I AM have sent thee <---JESUS

Pilliar of FIRE and SMOKE <---JESUS

Burning BUSH <---JESUS

Immanuel <---JESUS

God is GOD and HE IS ONE

 

[Blik]

God is always the same. However, how he relates to humans varies, depending on the current administration, or dispensation.

Now, all of us are under the grace dispensation Ephesians 3:2, where God relates to us purely on the basis on whether we believe in Jesus's work on the cross as our righteousness.

Previously, under the OT of the law, God will bless those who keep the law, and curse those who fail to keep the law. You have to do it perfectly though, so its a pretty tough for the Jews then.

I find no scripture that tells us God has ever given salvation for law obedience. In the long list of blessings promised us I have never found salvation listed.

OT speaks of grace that comes from faith, and usually they point out faith is demonstrated by righteous actions. The NT promotes grace apart from works, the OT doesn't speak of that, but I find no scripture in OT or NT that disagrees with what either testament teaches. It is James that tells us that our works show our faith.

If you find any scripture promising salvation for law obedience, please post it.

I have also found no scripture that takes back a covenant, telling how God relates to us. I find one saying that some things are obsolete, but never that God decides against a covenant. Also, please post the scripture if you find it.

 

[Macabeus]

I find no scripture that tells us God has ever given salvation for law obedience. In the long list of blessings promised us I have never found salvation listed.

OT speaks of grace that comes from faith, and usually they point out faith is demonstrated by righteous actions. The NT promotes grace apart from works, the OT doesn't speak of that, but I find no scripture in OT or NT that disagrees with what either testament teaches. It is James that tells us that our works show our faith.

If you find any scripture promising salvation for law obedience, please post it.

I have also found no scripture that takes back a covenant, telling how God relates to us. I find one saying that some things are obsolete, but never that God decides against a covenant. Also, please post the scripture if you find it.

Amen. The Law never saved anyone. The Law had a twofold purpose. To expose sin so man would know his need for grace through our Saviour, and to preserve Israel as a nation.

The Law still today is useful, but as Paul said it is for an unrighteous man, to point him to Jesus, not for a righteous man.

Christ is the end, goal, terminus, or destination of the Law to all who believe

 

[Dino246]

I think this subject is way way over your head, you have not studied any OT or you would know that in OT scripture "the nations" are all the natiobns except Israel.

Your response reflects poorly on your character.

Perhaps you should re-read my post a little more carefully.

 

[Guojing]

I find no scripture that tells us God has ever given salvation for law obedience. In the long list of blessings promised us I have never found salvation listed.

I have also found no scripture that takes back a covenant, telling how God relates to us. I find one saying that some things are obsolete, but never that God decides against a covenant. Also, please post the scripture if you find it.

You are correct. Salvation is always due to Jesus finished work on the cross. I am talking about how God relates to us as believers, whether he bless us or curse us.

Under grace, we are blessed because of Jesus's obedience. Under the OT law, it depends on your obedience to the Law.

But God is love and he loves man and always want to bless us, linking to your second question, he found this covenant of law faulty too, as Man, because of Adam's fall, cannot be relied on to keep the law.

That was why Jesus came to Earth as a Man, to fulfill the law on our behalf and to cut a new covenant with God as our representative. This pleases God, who can now blessed us freely because of Jesus's obedience, and we are no longer cursed because Jesus has took all the curses away.

In Hebrews 8,
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

 

[Blik]

Amen. The Law never saved anyone. The Law had a twofold purpose. To expose sin so man would know his need for grace through our Saviour, and to preserve Israel as a nation.

The Law still today is useful, but as Paul said it is for an unrighteous man, to point him to Jesus, not for a righteous man.

Christ is the end, goal, terminus, or destination of the Law to all who believe

I do no think it is correct to limit the purpose of the law. The 119th Psalm has 176 verses, all about the law. Even though we can go to Christ for salvation from law disobedience, Christ is not all about the law. The law is our operations manual.

 

[Dino246]

I do no think it is correct to limit the purpose of the law. The 119th Psalm has 176 verses, all about the law. Even though we can go to Christ for salvation from law disobedience, Christ is not all about the law. The law is our operations manual.

That's just silly. If the law is our operations manual, then we have all completely voided the warranty.

It isn't, of course. Paul made it clear in Galatians that what we have in Christ is by faith, not by law. He made it clear in Romans that whatever law there may be is summed up in "Love God and love one another". He made it clear in Colossians that Christ took away the written code that stood against us, nailing it to the cross. Christ is the end of the law for those who believe.

 

[Tim416]

Christ is the end of the law for those who believe.

Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth Rom10:4

Your statement is incorrect.

 

[Macabeus]

I do no think it is correct to limit the purpose of the law. The 119th Psalm has 176 verses, all about the law. Even though we can go to Christ for salvation from law disobedience, Christ is not all about the law. The law is our operations manual.

Well, I'm not planning on sacrificing any bullocks on the alter, throwing away my multifabric pants, giving up sausage with my breakfast, offering turtledoves for my newborn, or shaving off my goatee to be saved. Am I in trouble with God for these things?

 

[Blik]

That's just silly. If the law is our operations manual, then we have all completely voided the warranty.

It isn't, of course. Paul made it clear in Galatians that what we have in Christ is by faith, not by law. He made it clear in Romans that whatever law there may be is summed up in "Love God and love one another". He made it clear in Colossians that Christ took away the written code that stood against us, nailing it to the cross. Christ is the end of the law for those who believe.

How are you going to manage to ignore all the law and still listen to love? If you love you are obeying all the written law.

I think you just read a bit of scripture here and there and never follow through with anything it says.