Praying in Tongues

[WIbaptist]

you lie

you said we all had a kundalini spirit by posting that youtube vid (where all real teachers get their info from) and stating people speak in tongues by a kundalini spirit

maybe you should make notes on what you say? you don't seem able to remember your own posts in your haste to make false allegations

I never said all or everyone.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

A moderator should know better.

how many forums have you been kicked off of?

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get some respect.

YOU should know better than to respond to a mod the way you are...but then you treating all of us here as if we were non-persons

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I never said all or everyone.

whaaa...whaaaa...

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[WIbaptist]

how many forums have you been kicked off of?

are you just stupid or what

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YOU should know better than to respond to a mod the way you are...but then you treating all of us here as if we were non-persons

I forgot to bow and kiss the ring. What a heathen am I.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

this dude just really reminds me of a child who keeps lying and twisting what others say and denies he does so

gonna just ignore his sorry little self since it starts to occur to me he is desperate for attention and frankly I am sinning in my replies to him at this point

good thing I didn't say what I have half a mind to say...the other half mind said "uhh....you should most likely use some self-control

 

[WIbaptist]

this dude just really reminds me of a child who keeps lying and twisting what others say and denies he does so

gonna just ignore his sorry little self since it starts to occur to me he is desperate for attention and frankly I am sinning in my replies to him at this point

good thing I didn't say what I have half a mind to say...the other half mind said "uhh....you should most likely use some self-control

And no one has twisted what I’ve said. Good to know.

 

[Hevosmies]

you lie

you said we all had a kundalini spirit by posting that youtube vid (where all real teachers get their info from) and stating people speak in tongues by a kundalini spirit

maybe you should make notes on what you say? you don't seem able to remember your own posts in your haste to make false allegations

It said on youtube that I used to be a fish

 

[CherieR]

well, you asked this:

What if the one who speaks in tongues was most of the time proud, rude, self-seeking etc but the one who did not was loving, gentle, joyful, self-less etc most of the time- which one is walking closer to Jesus?

and I said this:

what is the criteria in the Bible? that is where you begin...not with how people act because like I said, tongues has nothing to do with the observable arrogance we see in some. in fact, some of the worst detractors of tongues in this forum are arrogant and nasty with everyone...it's just who they are I guess

I meant if you are going to judge something, then do so by the criteria of scripture...not how people act because their are actors everywhere

I thought the criteria was the fruit of the Spirit and that is why I was thinking actions. So, I think someone who is walking close to Jesus is growing in love for others, is seeking to please him and is in general following where he leads. Micah 6:8 says " He has shown you O man what is good. And what does the Lord require of you that you do justly, love mercy and walk humbly with your God.?" What are your thoughts? What do you believe is the criteria according to Scripture?

 

[WIbaptist]

you lie

you said we all had a kundalini spirit by posting that youtube vid (where all real teachers get their info from) and stating people speak in tongues by a kundalini spirit

maybe you should make notes on what you say? you don't seem able to remember your own posts in your haste to make false allegations

Yes because I saw one video and just stopped there and said now I know everything. I’ve witnessed false spirits in Pentecostal churches. I’ve led people away from it and will keep doing so. I’ve had the Holy Spirt work through me to drive away demons and lead someone to Christ on the spot. I’ve never spoken in a tongue though. And I test the spirits of those that claim tongues more than any gift besides healing because they are the most abused and distorted.

 

[CS1]

i'm not sure what we're talking about.

the woman singing in this post is the closest thing i can think of to a glossolalia that may actually be genuine. she's pentecostal, though the musical group itself is some kind of broad new-age spiritualist. the song is a prayer. she sings in an unknown language.

is this tongues? who can interpret?



Acts 2 is very clearly natural, identifiable, authentic & well-known languages, not glossolalia

we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues! ​

(Acts 2:11) ​

this doesn't seem to me to be the same thing as what modern charismatic churches call tongues. am i being asked about someone fluently speaking Mandarin who has absolutely no natural knowledge of it, or about uttering a kind of structured, ecstatic gibberish which, like an abstract painting, is open to any number of possible private interpretations, all equally valid in meaning?

the former, being genuinely miraculous, if what is said praises Him, is from God. i will not presume to limit Him.
the latter is so easy to fake and so undefined, so indistinguishable from pagan babble, that i find it very difficult to flatly accept. i know of zero documented instances of the former in the last thousand years, which is a strange bit of data in this era where nearly everyone in the western world has a recording device & translator in their pocket. i'd love to see evidence.
the latter is prolific but indefinite and i am suspicious of it for obvious reasons.

if someone can legitimately interpret this song then it would greatly help me to be able to legitimately answer your question, 7seas..

if this is tongues.
& tbh, i'd probably want to hear it being interpreted by more than one person without the two having any communication with each other, to test whether the claim of a gift of interpretation is equally genuine. there are many wolves in the church; many clever, clever wolves, and on this subject, we sheep are profoundly easy to fool. i want to distinguish between emotionalism and truth.

that was nothing you would see in the church I go LOL

 

[Hevosmies]

If anyone wants to expose some fake "interpreters" go and speak a foreign language like hebrew or whatever language the others dont speak, quote a psalm in that language, and have some faker "interpret" it completely wrong.

Then tell them, hey did you know that was Psalm 20 in Y language? GOTCHA.

 

[CherieR]

@stonesoffire & CherieR –

Thanks for both of your responses.

CherieR, with real and fake, how would you know which is which by just listening? Or, perhaps a better question might be, would you be able to tell from just listening?

With all of these (with the exception of someone incorporating animal sounds into their tongues), it almost sounds like you’d need it to be interpreted.

Could you tell which is which without interpretation (again, excluding hearing anything with say, animal sounds)?

Stonesosfire, correct me if I’m wrong, but it sounds like for you, it’s more of a perception kind of thing. Would the same apply if you just heard the tongues without physically seeing the speaker?

I don't know how to tell when someone may be speaking another language vs not saying anything. If someone knew French and a person spoke in tongues was praising God in French without learning the language then it would be definitely obvious that is speaking in tongues. Thing is I only know a little here and there of other languages so I would not be much help with interpretation unless God gave me the interpretation. 1 Corinthians 12:3 says that " no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, " Jesus be cursed" and no one can say " Jesus is Lord" except by the Holy Spirit"

 

[stonesoffire]

The book of Acts isn’t a play book of every believer. It recorded the acts of the Apostles and the early church. I am an apostle and sealed by the Holy Spirit. I don’t need to speak on tongues to prove it.

What about prophecy? Did you receive the office and have it confirmed by the Lord in a prophetic word?

 

[CS1]

I never said it’s a group of people . It’s a serpentine spirit that coils around the spine. It is not the Holy Spirit yet a Pentecostal revival is identical to a kundalini awakening in Hinduism.

have you been yo pagan cultic kundalini meetings? Or are you looking at two videos and making a judgment of them? for your assert to be right the lady with the shakes in what is seen in a charismatic service would have to know about kundalini. You have not shown that. There is a more Biblical reason for the women shakes and has nothing to do with the devil, cults or paganism. The women in the charismatic service were in error and possibly ignorant, and unlearned in the Gifts of the Holy Spirit and may have not even known about kundalini at all.. If you were not so fast to jump to the devil and pagans to explain 1cor 12 to14 or remove the Book of Acts we could have agreed the women was in error for sure. IF you were an apostle you would have known that. But you are not one.

 

[CS1]

It is part of the doctrine for the Assembly’s of God.

no its not

 

[WIbaptist]

have you been yo pagan cultic kundalini meetings? Or are you looking at two videos and making a judgment of them? for your assert to be right the lady with the shakes in what is seen in a charismatic service would have to know about kundalini. You have not shown that. There is a more Biblical reason for the women shakes and has nothing to do with the devil, cults or paganism. The women in the charismatic service were in error and possibly ignorant, and unlearned in the Gifts of the Holy Spirit and may have not even known about kundalini at all.. If you were not so fast to jump to the devil and pagans to explain 1cor 12 to14 or remove the Book of Acts we could have agreed the women was in error for sure. IF you were an apostle you would have known that. But you are not one.

Yes because we must know of an evil spirit for it to influence us.

 

[WIbaptist]

no its not

I’ve already cited this. Yes it is. It is clearly posted on their website.

 

[CS1]

From the mouth of your Lord and Savior, Yeshua:

Mark 16:17
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Obedienttogod he does not accept anything after Mark 16:8 it was added he says.

 

[WIbaptist]

have you been yo pagan cultic kundalini meetings? Or are you looking at two videos and making a judgment of them? for your assert to be right the lady with the shakes in what is seen in a charismatic service would have to know about kundalini. You have not shown that. There is a more Biblical reason for the women shakes and has nothing to do with the devil, cults or paganism. The women in the charismatic service were in error and possibly ignorant, and unlearned in the Gifts of the Holy Spirit and may have not even known about kundalini at all.. If you were not so fast to jump to the devil and pagans to explain 1cor 12 to14 or remove the Book of Acts we could have agreed the women was in error for sure. IF you were an apostle you would have known that. But you are not one.

For your edification I’ll list the definition of apostle not referring to the early church. A vigorous and pioneering advocate or supporter of a particular policy, idea, or cause.

 

[CS1]

What did Peter preach? Acts 2:15-21 an explaination of Joel 2. Acts 2:22-36 Jesus is risen and exalted as Lord and Christ. Acts 2:37-47 Call to repent of unbelief and be born again by the Holy Spirit.

Paul clearly teaches that faith comes by hearing and hearing the word of God. Romans 10. Saved by grace through faith. Saving faith comes through the word of God.

The blood of Christ makes complete atonement for sin. The grace of God provides complete forgiveness of sin. The Holy Spirit forever abides in our hearts to guide us into the righteousness of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

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