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I see you guys discussing HELL and I wanted to point out a few things/oddities found in a scripture about hell.....
Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.
Hell is from....
sheol: underworld (place to which people descend at death)
Original Word: שְׁאוֹל
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: sheol
Phonetic Spelling: (sheh-ole')
Definition: underworld (place to which people descend at death)
herself is from
nephesh: a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion
Original Word: נֶפֶשׁ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: nephesh
Phonetic Spelling: (neh'-fesh)
Definition: a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion
Wonder why it is described in the feminine and described as living.........the word her mouth is simply mouth and is masculine in scope in the Hebrew..........could be just the way it is classified.....anyway...My view is a literal place where the lost who have died are stored until the Great White Throne judgment of Revelations 20........then moved to the lake of fire...........but the above is interesting--->I.E. the way it is identified.....
Thoughts?
Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.
Hell is from....
sheol: underworld (place to which people descend at death)
Original Word: שְׁאוֹל
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: sheol
Phonetic Spelling: (sheh-ole')
Definition: underworld (place to which people descend at death)
herself is from
nephesh: a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion
Original Word: נֶפֶשׁ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: nephesh
Phonetic Spelling: (neh'-fesh)
Definition: a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion
Wonder why it is described in the feminine and described as living.........the word her mouth is simply mouth and is masculine in scope in the Hebrew..........could be just the way it is classified.....anyway...My view is a literal place where the lost who have died are stored until the Great White Throne judgment of Revelations 20........then moved to the lake of fire...........but the above is interesting--->I.E. the way it is identified.....
Thoughts?
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My friend,
The passage says they will, it does not say they might
My argument with you is not that children of God will never do those things, or they never have, i would be wrong if i think this
My discussion is about what the passage says.
The passage says they (all believers) will, it does not say they might.
I can not twist the word of god to make it say what i want, i must take it at its word,
If this is inspired, it is in error (just like believe and be baptized is in error)
Gods word can not be in error, so i can not consider these words inspired.
The passage says they will, it does not say they might
My argument with you is not that children of God will never do those things, or they never have, i would be wrong if i think this
My discussion is about what the passage says.
The passage says they (all believers) will, it does not say they might.
I can not twist the word of god to make it say what i want, i must take it at its word,
If this is inspired, it is in error (just like believe and be baptized is in error)
Gods word can not be in error, so i can not consider these words inspired.
A person would have to look the spiritual understanding hid in those signs in that parable that follow those believe. Without parables Christ the Holy Spirit of God spoke not. (God's poetic or signified language)
They are not signs a person seeks after as if Christ was promoting a sign and wonders gospel . That kind of idea is left for a evil generation that walks by sight lusting after the emotions of the flesh and not by the faith that alone comes from the scriptures.
All believers prophesy by bringing prophecy the word of God The commandment to go out into the world still applies .God is no longer brining any new prophecy. Revelation is the last book before he sealed up the possibility for more.
Throughout the scriptures God uses poison of serpents to represent false doctrine coming from false apostles as false prophecy. Drinking poison and not being hurt simply means that false doctrine will not affect a believe who will not go above all thing written in the law and the prophets. or called sola scriptura. Nothing magical or mystical if a person would search for the spiritual understanding hid in that parable . It just seems to excide those who walk by sight as a false wonderment .
When a person finds a passage like that in Mark they must compare it to the whole Bible with any thing that is related to the parable. Comparing the spiritual understanding or called the hidden mana in Revelation 2 hid in parables to the same spiritual must be sought out.
Now we have received, not the "spirit of the world", but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.1 Corinthians 2:12-14
They are not signs a person seeks after as if Christ was promoting a sign and wonders gospel . That kind of idea is left for a evil generation that walks by sight lusting after the emotions of the flesh and not by the faith that alone comes from the scriptures.
All believers prophesy by bringing prophecy the word of God The commandment to go out into the world still applies .God is no longer brining any new prophecy. Revelation is the last book before he sealed up the possibility for more.
Throughout the scriptures God uses poison of serpents to represent false doctrine coming from false apostles as false prophecy. Drinking poison and not being hurt simply means that false doctrine will not affect a believe who will not go above all thing written in the law and the prophets. or called sola scriptura. Nothing magical or mystical if a person would search for the spiritual understanding hid in that parable . It just seems to excide those who walk by sight as a false wonderment .
When a person finds a passage like that in Mark they must compare it to the whole Bible with any thing that is related to the parable. Comparing the spiritual understanding or called the hidden mana in Revelation 2 hid in parables to the same spiritual must be sought out.
Now we have received, not the "spirit of the world", but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.1 Corinthians 2:12-14
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Even today in the modern Greek language, the word αδης (hades) means HELL. If you look up the word "hell" is says αδης, and if you go to the Greek to English side of the dictionary and look up αδης it defines it as HELL; Hades. Hades is a transliteration and Hell is a translation into English of what the word means.
John, it really does not matter how we have come to understand the word hades in our language. The question is, what does the word mean in its original language? Hades NEVER means hell. Hades and hell are two entirely different states and are represented by two entirely different words in the Greek. The KJV has simply missed it.
ESV Relelation 20
13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. 14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
ESV Matthew 16:18
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Is it hell or hades? What's the difference? Is this the same word translated? Make up your mind.
13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. 14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
ESV Matthew 16:18
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Is it hell or hades? What's the difference? Is this the same word translated? Make up your mind.