-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
No i fully understand what you said and i responded to it one verse at a time to show that your statement accusing Paul of having a different Gospel then Peter was false... The Anti-Paul movement that is out to discredit the inspired Word of God as revealed through Paul must be countered.. And so i did..
What he is saying; in Romans 16:25 Paul declares Isreal, the promises, and the covenants made with her through the centuries will be put on hold until the end of this dispensation.
Another little footnote, there is no such thing as a saved Jew
Another little footnote, there is no such thing as a saved Jew
D
Different gospel? Um no. The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ continues through Paul, who through the risen Christ revealed the mystery of the gospel. That's not different, that's just more.
"And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak." -Eph 6:19
"And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak." -Eph 6:19
I think you're just trying to be difficult. Paul's ministry is separate from the Twelve, "(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles"
12 apostles = 12 tribes
"12 apostles = 12 tribes
I will give you a clue....called SYNAGOGUE
D
A better question is WHY did he go to the synagogues in every city?
"Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved." (AH HAH THAT'S IT!)
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jewfirst, and also to the Greek." (Jew first? Salvation was promised to the Jew first, and Paul loved his kinsmen in the flesh. Yes, it's just that easy)
Now, you should address my arguments line by line instead of ignorning them. It's bible, you can't argue with it.
“Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection. “ -Acts 1:21-22
The new apostle would be given the authority of the remaining eleven in being witnesses of the ministry and resurrection of Jesus. As such, they were required to:
After prayer and casting of lots, Matthias was ordained the twelfth apostle and witness.
“And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.”
Maybe Peter made a mistake? Remember that before Jesus’ ascension he gave Peter the keys of the kingdom of heaven:
“And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
Also Jesus’ taught the disciples the rule of two:
“Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.”
Not only so, but through their prayer and the promise provided by Jesus himself the disciples could have expected to see God’s approval in the appointment process.
“And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son."
So then, there seems to be no Scriptural reason that Peter made a mistake in numbering Matthias with the eleven.
****And most importantly Matthias is confirmed by the Holy Spirit and PAUL in Acts 2:4 and 1 Cor 15:5-8.****
"And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."
"And that he was seen of Cephas, THEN OF THE TWELVE..." (THAT'S PAUL TALKING THROUGH INSPIRATION OF THE SPIRIT)
"Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved." (AH HAH THAT'S IT!)
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jewfirst, and also to the Greek." (Jew first? Salvation was promised to the Jew first, and Paul loved his kinsmen in the flesh. Yes, it's just that easy)
Now, you should address my arguments line by line instead of ignorning them. It's bible, you can't argue with it.
“Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection. “ -Acts 1:21-22
The new apostle would be given the authority of the remaining eleven in being witnesses of the ministry and resurrection of Jesus. As such, they were required to:
- Have accompanied with the disciples during Jesus’ ministry while on earth
- Had to have followed Jesus and the disciples in John’s baptismal ministry
- Had to have witnessed the resurrection and ascension of Jesus
After prayer and casting of lots, Matthias was ordained the twelfth apostle and witness.
“And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.”
Maybe Peter made a mistake? Remember that before Jesus’ ascension he gave Peter the keys of the kingdom of heaven:
“And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
Also Jesus’ taught the disciples the rule of two:
“Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.”
Not only so, but through their prayer and the promise provided by Jesus himself the disciples could have expected to see God’s approval in the appointment process.
“And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son."
So then, there seems to be no Scriptural reason that Peter made a mistake in numbering Matthias with the eleven.
****And most importantly Matthias is confirmed by the Holy Spirit and PAUL in Acts 2:4 and 1 Cor 15:5-8.****
"And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."
"And that he was seen of Cephas, THEN OF THE TWELVE..." (THAT'S PAUL TALKING THROUGH INSPIRATION OF THE SPIRIT)
Right.
And John 15:27 also states (not sure if anyone covered this verse yet), [Jesus speaking to and of the 11 disciples before His death (and before Matthias is later picked)] "Ye also shall bear witness [testify], because ye have been with [G3326 - meta - accompanying] Me from the beginning."
This seems to confirm Peter's later statements, in Acts 1:17, that Judas had been "numbered with [en] us, and had obtained part of this ministry" (and Jesus had indeed said, "haven't I chosen you twelve..." [including Judas]); and in Acts 1:21, the word "[G1163 - dei ]" translated in various versions as "it behooves" or "it is necessary" (I don't believe he's coming up with this out of thin air)... and that "they prayed" for the Lord to "shew whether [/which] of these two thou hast chosen," in v.24. I don't see any reason to believe this was a flawed move on their part. I agree that Matthias makes up the 12. [the 12th]
And John 15:27 also states (not sure if anyone covered this verse yet), [Jesus speaking to and of the 11 disciples before His death (and before Matthias is later picked)] "Ye also shall bear witness [testify], because ye have been with [G3326 - meta - accompanying] Me from the beginning."
This seems to confirm Peter's later statements, in Acts 1:17, that Judas had been "numbered with [en] us, and had obtained part of this ministry" (and Jesus had indeed said, "haven't I chosen you twelve..." [including Judas]); and in Acts 1:21, the word "[G1163 - dei ]" translated in various versions as "it behooves" or "it is necessary" (I don't believe he's coming up with this out of thin air)... and that "they prayed" for the Lord to "shew whether [/which] of these two thou hast chosen," in v.24. I don't see any reason to believe this was a flawed move on their part. I agree that Matthias makes up the 12. [the 12th]
-
1
- Show all
Your heading declared there where differences between the messages of Peter and Paul..
From Peter to Paul - Just a few noteworthy differences worth considering
You then went ahead and detailed the scripture you believed showed that the Gospel of Peter and Paul was different.. scripture that i responded to that showed that your attack on Paul was unjustified..
Why are you responding as if you did not do this?
Weird indeed.
From Peter to Paul - Just a few noteworthy differences worth considering
You then went ahead and detailed the scripture you believed showed that the Gospel of Peter and Paul was different.. scripture that i responded to that showed that your attack on Paul was unjustified..
Why are you responding as if you did not do this?
Weird indeed.
If you truly understand Paul then you know from his own pen he declares there is only one gospel, tht of Jesus Christ.
This is the same Gospel that was given to Abraham and to this descendants from Jesus Christ.
If you understand Paul, he says anyone who teaches another gospel, and there is no other, should be cursed.
Paul is not cursing himself now, is he?
This is the same Gospel that was given to Abraham and to this descendants from Jesus Christ.
If you understand Paul, he says anyone who teaches another gospel, and there is no other, should be cursed.
Paul is not cursing himself now, is he?