IS MAN TOTALLY DEPRAVED?

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OIC......it was your post about relationship between male and female that made me wonder about mormonism.
Jesus said there was neither male nor female in heaven. so. guess that answers that.
I am definitely going to check that out. Said something about we are like angels but don't believe that it was mentioned whether or not there are male or female angels. Of course, being like angels in certain aspects and actually being an angel might be two different things altogether. I need to study this further about possible male / female relationships in heaven.
 

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Nice idea, i disagree, world means world, the kosmos system, he told the church to go into the world to save people out of the wold, he made propitiation for the world that whoever believes in him may be saved.

Thans for at least answering, got an answer for my other question yet?
KOSMOS is the GREEK word used in scripture
 
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Refresh my memory, I will try to give you an answer whether you agree or not........and probably not.
I said things which were said to occure during the 1000 year reign have not yet occured

Your response, “ you are not much of a historian”

My reply and question for you to show mw where these things occured is as follows

[QUOTE="eternally-gratefull, post: 3812859, member: 82611"So once again you can not answer. So you just belittle and mock.

Well hey, I can do that too. Your not much of a.. no wait..2 wrongs do not make a right. Here just answer this.

When have these things occured in the last 2000 years. And why are they not happening today?

Since your a historian you should easily be able to answer..If you question what parts I am asking aout. They are bolded. So they shoudl be easy to see.

Is 11:
11 There shall come forth a Rod from the stem of Jesse,
And a Branch shall [c]grow out of his roots.
2 The Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon Him,
The Spirit of wisdom and understanding,
The Spirit of counsel and might,
The Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord.
3 His delight is in the fear of the Lord,
And He shall not judge by the sight of His eyes,
Nor decide by the hearing of His ears;
4 But with righteousness He shall judge the poor,
And decide with equity for the meek of the earth;
He shall strike the earth with the rod of His mouth,
And with the breath of His lips He shall slay the wicked.

5 Righteousness shall be the belt of His loins,
And faithfulness the belt of His waist.
6 “The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb,
The leopard shall lie down with the young goat,
The calf and the young lion and the fatling together;
And a little child shall lead them.

7 The cow and the bear shall graze;
Their young ones shall lie down together;
And the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 The nursing child shall play by the cobra’s hole,
And the weaned child shall put his hand in the viper’s den.
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain,
For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord
As the waters cover the sea.

10 “And in that day there shall be a Root of Jesse,
Who shall stand as a banner to the people;
For the Gentiles shall seek Him,
And His resting place shall be glorious.”

11 It shall come to pass in that day
That the Lord shall set His hand again the second time
To recover the remnant of His people who are left,
From Assyria and Egypt,
From Pathros and Cush,
From Elam and Shinar,
From Hamath and the [d]islands of the sea.
12 He will set up a banner for the nations,

And will [e]assemble the outcasts of Israel,
And gather together the dispersed of Judah
From the four [f]corners of the earth.

13 Also the envy of Ephraim shall depart,
And the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off;
Ephraim shall not envy Judah,

And Judah shall not harass Ephraim.
14 But they shall fly down upon the shoulder of the Philistines toward the west;
Together they shall plunder the [g]people of the East;
They shall lay their hand on Edom and Moab;
And the people of Ammon shall obey them.
15 The Lord will utterly [h]destroy the tongue of the Sea of Egypt;
With His mighty wind He will shake His fist over [i]the River,
And strike it in the seven streams,
And make men cross over [j]dry-shod.
16 There will be a highway for the remnant of His people
Who will be left from Assyria,
As it was for Israel
In the day that he came up from the land of Egypt.
 

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to the whom it may concern -
When non-grace believers post their skewed view of the TULIP, I have no doubt they know NOT what they are posting about, they are imitating what someone else has said. Might consider that before you make yourself look foolish.
Tulip is some kind of flower, think they're grown in Holland. I'm not to swift with botany obviously. A rose is a rose though...
 
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Atonement is either applied to all (universalism)
or its applied to some (limited in what it accomplishes, but not limited in the sense that it is INCAPABLE of atoning for everyone's sins, we know God could set it up as He pleases)
Or atonement was paid for all, but not forced on all

You all love to give examples, and saying it is one or the other, but keep forgetting to give every possible example.
 
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KOSMOS is the GREEK word used in scripture
Yes, kosmos. Usually used to denote the system of world order as ruled by satan, as apposed to the christian order, as ruled by christ.
 

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I am definitely going to check that out. Said something about we are like angels but don't believe that it was mentioned whether or not there are male or female angels. Of course, being like angels in certain aspects and actually being an angel might be two different things altogether. I need to study this further about possible male / female relationships in heaven.
We do not become angels
And the verse you need for no marriage in heaven is
Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven (Matthew 22:29,30).​
We become "like the angels" in that we become neither male nor female"
 

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Tulip is some kind of flower, think they're grown in Holland. I'm not to swift with botany obviously. A rose is a rose though...
If anyone is actually interested in knowing what calvinism IS, they just have to ask.
 
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Kosmos
κόσμος, -ου, ὁ;
1. in Grk. writ. fr. Hom, down, an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order.
2. as in Grk. writ. fr. Hom, down, ornament, decoration, adornment: ἐνδύσεως ἱματίων, 1 Pet. 3:3 (Sir. 6:30; 21:21; 2 Macc. 2:2: Sept. for צָבָא of the arrangement of the stars, ‘the heavenly hosts,’ as the ornament of the heavens, Gen. 2:1; Deut. 4:19; 17:3; Is. 24:21; 40:26; besides occasionally for עֲרִי; twice for חִּפִאֶרֶח, Prov. 20:29; Is. 3:19).
3. the world, i.e. the universe (quem κόσμον Graeci nomine ornamenti appellarunt, eum nos a perfecta absolutaque elegantia mundum, Plin. h. n. 2, 3; in which sense Pythagoras is said to have been the first to use the word, Plut. de plac. philos. 2, 1, 1 p. 886 c.; but acc. to other accounts he used it of the heavens, Diog. L. 8, 48, of which it is used several times also by other Grk. writ. [see Menag. on Diog. Laërt. I. c.; Bentley, Epp. of Phalar. vol. i. 391 (Lond. 1836); M. Anton. 4, 27 and Gataker’s notes; cf. L. and S. s. v. IV.]): Acts 17:24; Ro. 4:13 (where cf. Meyer, Tholuck, Philippi); 1 Co. 3:22; 8:4; Phil. 2:15; with a predominant notion of space, in hyperbole, Jn. 21:25 (Sap. 7:17; 9:3; 2 Macc. 8:18; κτίζειν τ. κόσμον, Sap. 11:18; ὁ τοῦ κόσμου κτίστης, 2 Macc. 7:23; 4 Macc. 5:25 (24);—a sense in which it does not occur in the other O. T. books, although there is something akin to it in Prov. 17:6, on which see 8 below); in the phrases πρὸ τοῦ τὸν κόσμον εἶναι, Jn. 17:5; ἀπὸ καταβολῆς κόσμου [Mt. 13:35 R G; 25:34; Lk. 11:50; Heb. 4:3; 9:26; Rev. 13:8; 17:8] and πρὸ κατ. κόσμου [Jn. 17:24; Eph. 1:4; 1 Pet. 1:20], (on which see καταβολή, 2); ἀπὸ κτίσεως κόσμου, Ro. 1:20; ἀπʼ ἀρχῆς κ. Mt. 24:21; (on the om. of the art. cf. W. p. 123 (117); B. § 124, 8 b.; [cf. Ellicott on Gal. 6:14]).
4. the circle of the earth, the earth, (very rarely so in Grk. writ, until after the age of the ptolemies; so in Boeckh, corp. inscrr. i. pp. 413 and 643, nos. 334 and 1306): Mk. 16:15; [Jn. 12:25]; 1 Tim. 6:7; βασιλεία τοῦ κόσμου, Rev. 11:15; βασιλεῖαι (plur.) τ. κόσμου, Mt. 4:8 (for which Lk. 4:5 τῆς οἰκουμένης); τὸ φῶς τοῦ κόσμου τούτου, of the sun, Jn. 11:9; ἐν ὅλῳ τῷ κ., properly, Mt. 26:13; hyperbolieally, i. q. far and wide, in widely separated places, Ro. 1:8; [so ἐν παντὶ τῷ κόσμῳ, Col. 1:6]; ὁ τότε κόσμος, 2 Pet. 3:6; the earth with its inhabitants: ζῆν ἐν κόσμῳ, opp. to the dead, Col. 2:20 λῃστὴς ἦν καὶ κλέπτης ἐν τῷ κόσμῳ, i.e. among those living on earth, Ev. Nicod. 26). By a usage foreign to prof. auth.
5. the inhabitants of the world: θέατρον ἐγενήθημεν τῷ κόσμῳ καὶ ἀγγέλοις κ. ἀνθρώποις, 1 Co. 4:9 [W. 127 (121)]; particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race (first So in Sap. [e.g. 10:1]): Mt. 13:38; 18:7; Mk. 14:9; Jn. 1:10, 29, [36 L in br.]; 3:16 sq.; 6:33, 51; 8:26; 12:47; 13:1; 14:31; 16:28; 17:6, 21, 23; Ro. 3:6, 19; 1 Co. 1:27 sq. [cf. W. 189 (178)]; 4:13; 5:10; 14:10; 2 Co. 5:19; Jas. 2:5 [cf. W. u. s.]; 1 Jn. 2:2 [cf. W. 577 (536)]; ἀρχαῖος κόσμος, of the antediluvians, 2 Pet. 2:5; γεννᾶσθαι εἰς τ. κ. Jn. 16:21; ἔρχεσθαι εἰς τὸν κόσμον (Jn. 9:39) and εἰς τ. κ. τοῦτον, to make its appearance or come into existence among men, spoken of the light which in Christ shone upon men, Jn. 1:9; 3:19, cf. 12:46; of the messiah, Jn. 6:14; 11:27; of Jesus as the messiah, Jn. 9:39; 16:28; 18:37; 1 Tim. 1:15; also εἰσέρχεσθαι εἰς τ. κ. Heb. 10:5; of false teachers, 2 Jn. 7 (yet here L T Tr WH ἐξέρχ. εἰς τ. κ.; [so all texts in 1 Jn. 4:1]); to invade, of evils coming into existence among men and beginning to exert their power: of sin and death, Ro. 5:12 (of death, Sap. 2:24; Clem. Rom. 1 Cor. 3, 4; of idolatry, Sap. 14:14). ἀποστέλλειν τινὰ εἰς τ. κ., Jn. 3:17; 10:36; 17:18; 1 Jn. 4:9; φῶς τ. κ., Mt. 5:14; Jn. 8:12; 9:5; σωτὴρ τ. κ., Jn. 4:42; 1 Jn. 4:14, (σωτηρία τοῦ κ. Sap. 6:26 (25); ἐλπὶς τ. κ. Sap. 14:6; πρωτόπλαστος πατὴρ τοῦ κ., of Adam, Sap. 10:1); στοιχεῖα τοῦ κ. (see στοιχεῖον, 3 and 4); ἐν τῷ κόσμῳ, among men, Jn. 16:33; 17:13; Eph. 2:12; ἐν κόσμῳ (see w. 123 (117)), 1 Tim. 3:16; εἶναι ἐν τῷ κ., to dwell among men, Jn. 1:10; 9:5; 17:11, 12 R G; 1 Jn. 4:3; εἶναι ἐν κόσμῳ, to be present, Ro. 5:13; ἐξελθεῖν ἐκ τοῦ κόσμου, to withdraw from human society and seek an abode outside of it, 1 Co. 5:10; ἀναστρέφεσθαι ἐν τῷ κ., to behave one’s self, 2 Co. 1:12; likewise εἶναι ἐν τῷ κ. τούτῳ, 1 Jn. 4:17. used spec. of the Gentiles collectively, Ro. 11:12 (where it alternates with τὰ ἔθνη), 15; [the two in combination: τὰ ἔθνη τοῦ κόσμου, Lk. 12:30]. hyperbolically or loosely i. q. the majority of men in a place, the multitude or mass (as we say the public): Jn. 7:4; 12:19 [here Tr mrg. adds ὅλος in br.]; 14:19, 22; 18:20. i. q. the entire number, ἀσεβῶν, 2 Pet. 2:5.
6. the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ [cf. W. 26]: Jn. 7:7; 14:[17], 27; 15:18 sq.; 16:8, 20, 33; 17:9, 14 sq. 25; 1 Co. 1:21; 6:2; 11:32; 2 Co. 7:10; Jas. 1:27; 1 Pet. 5:9; 2 Pet. 1:4; 2:20; 1 Jn. 3:1, 13; 4:5; 5:19; of the aggregate of ungodly and wicked men in O. T. times, Heb. 11:38; in Noah’s time, ibid. 7; with οὗτος added, Eph. 2:2 (on which see αἰών, 3); εἶναι ἐκ τοῦ κ. and ἐκ τοῦ κ. τούτου (see εἰμί, V. 3 d.), Jn. 8:23; 15:19; 17:14, 16; 1 Jn. 4:5; λαλεῖν ἐκ τοῦ κόσμου, to speak in accordance with the world’s character and mode of thinking, 1 Jn. 4:5; ὁ ἄρχων τοῦ κ. τούτου, i.e. the devil, Jn. 12:31; 14:30; 16:11; ὁ ἐν τῷ κ. he that is operative in the world (also of the devil), 1 Jn. 4:4; τὸ πνεῦμα τοῦ κ. 1 Co. 2:12; ἡ σοφία τοῦ κ. τούτου, ibid. 1:20 [here G L T Tr WH om. τούτ.]; 3:19. [τὰ στοιχεῖα τοῦ κόσμου, Gal. 4:3; Col. 2:8, 20, (see 5 above, and στοιχεῖον, 3 and 4).]
7. worldly affairs; the aggregate of things earthly; the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments, riches, advantages, pleasures, etc., which, although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ: Gal. 6:14; 1 Jn. 2:16 sq.; 3:17; εἶναι ἐκ τοῦ κ., to be of earthly origin and nature, Jn. 18:36; somewhat differently in 1 Jn. 2:16 (on which see εἰμί, V.3 d.); κερδαίνειν τὸν κ. ὅλον, Mt. 16:26; Mk. 8:36; Lk. 9:25; οἱ χρώμενοι τῷ κ. τούτῳ [crit. txt. τὸν κόσμον; see χράομαι, 2], 1 Co. 7:31; μεριμνᾶν τὰ τοῦ κ. 33 sq.; φίλος and φιλία τοῦ κ. Jas. 4:4; ἀγαπᾶν τόν κ. 1 Jn. 2:15; νικᾶν τὸν κ., the incentives to sin proceeding from the world, 1 Jn. 5:4 sq.; the obstacles to God’s cause, Jn. 16:33; [cf. ἐλθέτω χάρις κ. παρελθέτω ὁ κόσμος οὗτος, Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, c. 10].
8. any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort [cf. Eng. “a world of curses” (Shakspere), etc.]: ὁ κόσμος τῆς ἀδικίας, the sum of all iniquities, Jas. 3:6; τοῦ πιστοῦ ὅλος ὁ κόσμος τῶν χρημάτων, τοῦ δὲ ἀπίστον οὐδὲ ὀβολός (a statement due to the Alex. translator), Prov. 17:6. Among the N. T. writers no one uses κόσμος oftener than John; it occurs in mark three times, in Luke’s writings four times, and in the Apocalypse three times. Cf. Kreiss, Sur le sens du mot κόσμος dans le N. T. (Strasb. 1837); Düsterdieck on 1 Jn. 2:15, pp. 247–259; Zezschwitz, profangräeität u. bibl. Sprachgeist, p. 21 sqq.; Diestel in Herzog xvii. p. 676 sqq.; [Trench, Syn. § 59]; on John’s use of the word cf. Reuss, Histoire de la théologie chrétienne au siècle apostolique, ii. p. 463 sqq. [i.e. livre vii. ch. 8]; cf. his Johanneisehe Theologie, in the Beiträge zu den theol. Wissenschaften, Fase. i. p. 29 sqq.; [Westcott on Jn. 1:10,‘Additional Note’].*
 

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Kosmos
κόσμος, -ου, ὁ;
1. in Grk. writ. fr. Hom, down, an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order.
2. as in Grk. writ. fr. Hom, down, ornament, decoration, adornment: ἐνδύσεως ἱματίων, 1 Pet. 3:3 (Sir. 6:30; 21:21; 2 Macc. 2:2: Sept. for צָבָא of the arrangement of the stars, ‘the heavenly hosts,’ as the ornament of the heavens, Gen. 2:1; Deut. 4:19; 17:3; Is. 24:21; 40:26; besides occasionally for עֲרִי; twice for חִּפִאֶרֶח, Prov. 20:29; Is. 3:19).
3. the world, i.e. the universe (quem κόσμον Graeci nomine ornamenti appellarunt, eum nos a perfecta absolutaque elegantia mundum, Plin. h. n. 2, 3; in which sense Pythagoras is said to have been the first to use the word, Plut. de plac. philos. 2, 1, 1 p. 886 c.; but acc. to other accounts he used it of the heavens, Diog. L. 8, 48, of which it is used several times also by other Grk. writ. [see Menag. on Diog. Laërt. I. c.; Bentley, Epp. of Phalar. vol. i. 391 (Lond. 1836); M. Anton. 4, 27 and Gataker’s notes; cf. L. and S. s. v. IV.]): Acts 17:24; Ro. 4:13 (where cf. Meyer, Tholuck, Philippi); 1 Co. 3:22; 8:4; Phil. 2:15; with a predominant notion of space, in hyperbole, Jn. 21:25 (Sap. 7:17; 9:3; 2 Macc. 8:18; κτίζειν τ. κόσμον, Sap. 11:18; ὁ τοῦ κόσμου κτίστης, 2 Macc. 7:23; 4 Macc. 5:25 (24);—a sense in which it does not occur in the other O. T. books, although there is something akin to it in Prov. 17:6, on which see 8 below); in the phrases πρὸ τοῦ τὸν κόσμον εἶναι, Jn. 17:5; ἀπὸ καταβολῆς κόσμου [Mt. 13:35 R G; 25:34; Lk. 11:50; Heb. 4:3; 9:26; Rev. 13:8; 17:8] and πρὸ κατ. κόσμου [Jn. 17:24; Eph. 1:4; 1 Pet. 1:20], (on which see καταβολή, 2); ἀπὸ κτίσεως κόσμου, Ro. 1:20; ἀπʼ ἀρχῆς κ. Mt. 24:21; (on the om. of the art. cf. W. p. 123 (117); B. § 124, 8 b.; [cf. Ellicott on Gal. 6:14]).
4. the circle of the earth, the earth, (very rarely so in Grk. writ, until after the age of the ptolemies; so in Boeckh, corp. inscrr. i. pp. 413 and 643, nos. 334 and 1306): Mk. 16:15; [Jn. 12:25]; 1 Tim. 6:7; βασιλεία τοῦ κόσμου, Rev. 11:15; βασιλεῖαι (plur.) τ. κόσμου, Mt. 4:8 (for which Lk. 4:5 τῆς οἰκουμένης); τὸ φῶς τοῦ κόσμου τούτου, of the sun, Jn. 11:9; ἐν ὅλῳ τῷ κ., properly, Mt. 26:13; hyperbolieally, i. q. far and wide, in widely separated places, Ro. 1:8; [so ἐν παντὶ τῷ κόσμῳ, Col. 1:6]; ὁ τότε κόσμος, 2 Pet. 3:6; the earth with its inhabitants: ζῆν ἐν κόσμῳ, opp. to the dead, Col. 2:20 λῃστὴς ἦν καὶ κλέπτης ἐν τῷ κόσμῳ, i.e. among those living on earth, Ev. Nicod. 26). By a usage foreign to prof. auth.
5. the inhabitants of the world: θέατρον ἐγενήθημεν τῷ κόσμῳ καὶ ἀγγέλοις κ. ἀνθρώποις, 1 Co. 4:9 [W. 127 (121)]; particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race (first So in Sap. [e.g. 10:1]): Mt. 13:38; 18:7; Mk. 14:9; Jn. 1:10, 29, [36 L in br.]; 3:16 sq.; 6:33, 51; 8:26; 12:47; 13:1; 14:31; 16:28; 17:6, 21, 23; Ro. 3:6, 19; 1 Co. 1:27 sq. [cf. W. 189 (178)]; 4:13; 5:10; 14:10; 2 Co. 5:19; Jas. 2:5 [cf. W. u. s.]; 1 Jn. 2:2 [cf. W. 577 (536)]; ἀρχαῖος κόσμος, of the antediluvians, 2 Pet. 2:5; γεννᾶσθαι εἰς τ. κ. Jn. 16:21; ἔρχεσθαι εἰς τὸν κόσμον (Jn. 9:39) and εἰς τ. κ. τοῦτον, to make its appearance or come into existence among men, spoken of the light which in Christ shone upon men, Jn. 1:9; 3:19, cf. 12:46; of the messiah, Jn. 6:14; 11:27; of Jesus as the messiah, Jn. 9:39; 16:28; 18:37; 1 Tim. 1:15; also εἰσέρχεσθαι εἰς τ. κ. Heb. 10:5; of false teachers, 2 Jn. 7 (yet here L T Tr WH ἐξέρχ. εἰς τ. κ.; [so all texts in 1 Jn. 4:1]); to invade, of evils coming into existence among men and beginning to exert their power: of sin and death, Ro. 5:12 (of death, Sap. 2:24; Clem. Rom. 1 Cor. 3, 4; of idolatry, Sap. 14:14). ἀποστέλλειν τινὰ εἰς τ. κ., Jn. 3:17; 10:36; 17:18; 1 Jn. 4:9; φῶς τ. κ., Mt. 5:14; Jn. 8:12; 9:5; σωτὴρ τ. κ., Jn. 4:42; 1 Jn. 4:14, (σωτηρία τοῦ κ. Sap. 6:26 (25); ἐλπὶς τ. κ. Sap. 14:6; πρωτόπλαστος πατὴρ τοῦ κ., of Adam, Sap. 10:1); στοιχεῖα τοῦ κ. (see στοιχεῖον, 3 and 4); ἐν τῷ κόσμῳ, among men, Jn. 16:33; 17:13; Eph. 2:12; ἐν κόσμῳ (see w. 123 (117)), 1 Tim. 3:16; εἶναι ἐν τῷ κ., to dwell among men, Jn. 1:10; 9:5; 17:11, 12 R G; 1 Jn. 4:3; εἶναι ἐν κόσμῳ, to be present, Ro. 5:13; ἐξελθεῖν ἐκ τοῦ κόσμου, to withdraw from human society and seek an abode outside of it, 1 Co. 5:10; ἀναστρέφεσθαι ἐν τῷ κ., to behave one’s self, 2 Co. 1:12; likewise εἶναι ἐν τῷ κ. τούτῳ, 1 Jn. 4:17. used spec. of the Gentiles collectively, Ro. 11:12 (where it alternates with τὰ ἔθνη), 15; [the two in combination: τὰ ἔθνη τοῦ κόσμου, Lk. 12:30]. hyperbolically or loosely i. q. the majority of men in a place, the multitude or mass (as we say the public): Jn. 7:4; 12:19 [here Tr mrg. adds ὅλος in br.]; 14:19, 22; 18:20. i. q. the entire number, ἀσεβῶν, 2 Pet. 2:5.
6. the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ [cf. W. 26]: Jn. 7:7; 14:[17], 27; 15:18 sq.; 16:8, 20, 33; 17:9, 14 sq. 25; 1 Co. 1:21; 6:2; 11:32; 2 Co. 7:10; Jas. 1:27; 1 Pet. 5:9; 2 Pet. 1:4; 2:20; 1 Jn. 3:1, 13; 4:5; 5:19; of the aggregate of ungodly and wicked men in O. T. times, Heb. 11:38; in Noah’s time, ibid. 7; with οὗτος added, Eph. 2:2 (on which see αἰών, 3); εἶναι ἐκ τοῦ κ. and ἐκ τοῦ κ. τούτου (see εἰμί, V. 3 d.), Jn. 8:23; 15:19; 17:14, 16; 1 Jn. 4:5; λαλεῖν ἐκ τοῦ κόσμου, to speak in accordance with the world’s character and mode of thinking, 1 Jn. 4:5; ὁ ἄρχων τοῦ κ. τούτου, i.e. the devil, Jn. 12:31; 14:30; 16:11; ὁ ἐν τῷ κ. he that is operative in the world (also of the devil), 1 Jn. 4:4; τὸ πνεῦμα τοῦ κ. 1 Co. 2:12; ἡ σοφία τοῦ κ. τούτου, ibid. 1:20 [here G L T Tr WH om. τούτ.]; 3:19. [τὰ στοιχεῖα τοῦ κόσμου, Gal. 4:3; Col. 2:8, 20, (see 5 above, and στοιχεῖον, 3 and 4).]
7. worldly affairs; the aggregate of things earthly; the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments, riches, advantages, pleasures, etc., which, although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ: Gal. 6:14; 1 Jn. 2:16 sq.; 3:17; εἶναι ἐκ τοῦ κ., to be of earthly origin and nature, Jn. 18:36; somewhat differently in 1 Jn. 2:16 (on which see εἰμί, V.3 d.); κερδαίνειν τὸν κ. ὅλον, Mt. 16:26; Mk. 8:36; Lk. 9:25; οἱ χρώμενοι τῷ κ. τούτῳ [crit. txt. τὸν κόσμον; see χράομαι, 2], 1 Co. 7:31; μεριμνᾶν τὰ τοῦ κ. 33 sq.; φίλος and φιλία τοῦ κ. Jas. 4:4; ἀγαπᾶν τόν κ. 1 Jn. 2:15; νικᾶν τὸν κ., the incentives to sin proceeding from the world, 1 Jn. 5:4 sq.; the obstacles to God’s cause, Jn. 16:33; [cf. ἐλθέτω χάρις κ. παρελθέτω ὁ κόσμος οὗτος, Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, c. 10].
8. any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort [cf. Eng. “a world of curses” (Shakspere), etc.]: ὁ κόσμος τῆς ἀδικίας, the sum of all iniquities, Jas. 3:6; τοῦ πιστοῦ ὅλος ὁ κόσμος τῶν χρημάτων, τοῦ δὲ ἀπίστον οὐδὲ ὀβολός (a statement due to the Alex. translator), Prov. 17:6. Among the N. T. writers no one uses κόσμος oftener than John; it occurs in mark three times, in Luke’s writings four times, and in the Apocalypse three times. Cf. Kreiss, Sur le sens du mot κόσμος dans le N. T. (Strasb. 1837); Düsterdieck on 1 Jn. 2:15, pp. 247–259; Zezschwitz, profangräeität u. bibl. Sprachgeist, p. 21 sqq.; Diestel in Herzog xvii. p. 676 sqq.; [Trench, Syn. § 59]; on John’s use of the word cf. Reuss, Histoire de la théologie chrétienne au siècle apostolique, ii. p. 463 sqq. [i.e. livre vii. ch. 8]; cf. his Johanneisehe Theologie, in the Beiträge zu den theol. Wissenschaften, Fase. i. p. 29 sqq.; [Westcott on Jn. 1:10,‘Additional Note’].*
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Or atonement was paid for all, but not forced on all

You all love to give examples, and saying it is one or the other, but keep forgetting to give every possible example.
Yeah, atonement was paid for all, but only those who believe its applied to?

IOW: Limited atonement.

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Yeah, atonement was paid for all, but only those who believe its applied to?

IOW: Limited atonement.

:ROFL:
Nope unless it was only paid in part.

Again, i can pay for a gift for everyone, it does not mean everyone has to accept it, or that i did not pay for all.
 

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GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON
of the
NEW TESTAMENT
being
Grimm’s Wilke’s Clavis Novi Testamenti
TRANSLATED REVISED AND ENLARGED
by
JOSEPH HENRY THAYER, D.D.
hon. litt.d. dublin
bussey professor of new testament criticism and interpretation in the divinity school of harvard university
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We do not become angels
And the verse you need for no marriage in heaven is
Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven (Matthew 22:29,30).​
We become "like the angels" in that we become neither male nor female"
That verse does not specify that there will be neither male or female only that we will be like angels. Being 'like' angels does not mean that we will become angels. Regarding marriage, that is a contract between God, a man and a woman that is enforceable only until death. In heaven there will be no death so therefore there can't be marriage. Still, that doesn't mean that there are not any intimate physical and spiritual relationships between a man and a woman who are now like angels but not actually angels. Jesus said that at the resurrection 'people' will neither marry nor be given in marriage, He did not say that at the resurrection that the people will now be angels, only that they are like angels.
 
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I use Strong's concordance......word for word, no opinions
Strongs is basic,

But thats fine, here you go

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2889 κόσμος [kosmos /kos·mos/] n m. Probably from the base of 2865; TDNT 3:868; TDNTA 459; GK 3180; 187 occurrences; AV translates as “world” 186 times, and “adorning” once. 1 an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government. 2 ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, ‘the heavenly hosts’, as the ornament of the heavens. 1 Pet. 3:3. 3 the world, the universe. 4 the circle of the earth, the earth. 5 the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race. 6 the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ. 7 world affairs, the aggregate of things earthly. 7a the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments riches, advantages, pleasures, etc, which although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ. 8 any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort. 8a the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom. 11:12 etc). 8a of believers only, John 1:29; 3:16; 3:17; 6:33; 12:47 1 Cor. 4:9; 2 Cor. 5:19.
 
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If anyone is actually interested in knowing what calvinism IS, they just have to ask.
or check out the many threads available in this forum that will describe all the different flavors available, because, no matter what some Calvinists state, Calvin was not as adamant in his tulips as they are
 

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Strongs is basic,

But thats fine, here you go

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Strong’s Lexicon

Copyright © 1995 Woodside Bible Fellowship

2889 κόσμος [kosmos /kos·mos/] n m. Probably from the base of 2865; TDNT 3:868; TDNTA 459; GK 3180; 187 occurrences; AV translates as “world” 186 times, and “adorning” once. 1 an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government. 2 ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, ‘the heavenly hosts’, as the ornament of the heavens. 1 Pet. 3:3. 3 the world, the universe. 4 the circle of the earth, the earth. 5 the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race. 6 the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ. 7 world affairs, the aggregate of things earthly. 7a the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments riches, advantages, pleasures, etc, which although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ. 8 any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort. 8a the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom. 11:12 etc). 8a of believers only, John 1:29; 3:16; 3:17; 6:33; 12:47 1 Cor. 4:9; 2 Cor. 5:19.

Why would the word "world" mean a mass of people alienated from God #6........alienated? Why not a mass of believers?
Strongs does not detail like that , it just gives the possible words.........I say boo, hiss to your lexicon, it is a joke.

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