Does entering into Jesus' rest mean we're to give up the Sabbath day? Is the 4th commandment part of the moral law of God?

[tourist]

Tourist, I like how you think!

I don't think people should be defined by the man made doctrines of the church they attend. Each person should be free to study the word for truth.

My church, the best one I found I can get to, is very flawed. They believe that it is not the truth when scripture tells us something is for "all generations" for example. They take no care at all to keep away from traditions that stem from the occult such as Christmas trees. Like my minister told me, we agree on Christ and many things so we are related in Christ, but we disagree about many things.

Thank you for your kind words.

 

[Hevosmies]

I am defending my position that the churches in all denominations each are flawed in doctrine and practices so why just single out the SDA and calling them evil? So what do the other churches say in regards in the circumstances that may lead up to taking the mark of the beast? Perhaps the other churches don't have a clue or believe that it is unimportant or don't understand scripture.

I don't have an opinion either way on the SDA position on a certain end-time event, only saying that those that are SDA are as much a Christian as those in any other denomination as long as they have contritely confessed their sins to God, trusting in the death of Jesus dying on the cross paying the penalty for these sins and allowing the Holy Spirit to live in their hearts to comfort and guide them in the life-long repentance process. Anyone that has not done these things is not a Christian and everyone that has is a Christian regardless of their particular faith.

Heresy is simply holding a contrary perception, an in that regards, is not necessarily a bad thing.

In other words: Modern day ecumenicalism which is absolutely destroying Christianity from within.

Oy vey!

No wonder the churches are a mess today, when heresy "is not necessarily a bad thing" its just a contrary perception yeah thats a done deal. What a contribution.
Nothing I can say anymore. My job here is done, ive said a million times how SDA is different from a mere denominational disagreement on eschatology or something like that but its no use, you refuse to see it, the ecumenical agenda trumps truth.. Carry on carrying on.

 

[tourist]

So are you one of those deceptive closet SDA?

If I were would that make me evil?

My wife is a life-long SDA and is one of the sweetest and most decent person I have met. She received her salvation not by the church she attends but by her contrite confession of sin to Jesus and trusting that His death on the cross is sufficient penalty for her sins and for allowing the Holy Spirit to live in her heart to comfort and guide her on the life-long repentance process.

I am not a closet SDA but rather was born and raised a Catholic and was never in the closet in the first place. It is my understanding that all Catholics are sick and evil too and will all be going to hell. Well, I hold a contrary perception, those that have received salvation are going to be spending eternity in the presence of God and are not going to hell. Some may call this view heresy but it is really the reality of the situation because the bible tells us so.

 

[Sipsey]

I am defending my position that the churches in all denominations each are flawed in doctrine and practices so why just single out the SDA and calling them evil? So what do the other churches say in regards in the circumstances that may lead up to taking the mark of the beast? Perhaps the other churches don't have a clue or believe that it is unimportant or don't understand scripture.

I don't have an opinion either way on the SDA position on a certain end-time event, only saying that those that are SDA are as much a Christian as those in any other denomination as long as they have contritely confessed their sins to God, trusting in the death of Jesus dying on the cross paying the penalty for these sins and allowing the Holy Spirit to live in their hearts to comfort and guide them in the life-long repentance process. Anyone that has not done these things is not a Christian and everyone that has is a Christian regardless of their particular faith.

Heresy is simply holding a contrary perception, an in that regards, is not necessarily a bad thing.

Heresy-
from a Greek word signifying

(1) a choice,
(2) the opinion chosen, and
(3) the sect holding the opinion. In the Acts of the Apostles (5:17; 15:5; 24:5, 14; 26:5) it denotes a sect, without reference to its character. Elsewhere, however, in the New Testament it has a different meaning attached to it. Paul ranks "heresies" with crimes and seditions (Ga 5:20). This word also denotes divisions or schisms in the church (1Co 11:19). In Tit 3:10 a "heretical person" is one who follows his own self-willed "questions," and who is to be avoided. Heresies thus came to signify self-chosen doctrines not emanating from God (2Pe 2:1).

 

[tourist]

In other words: Modern day ecumenicalism which is absolutely destroying Christianity from within.

Oy vey!

No wonder the churches are a mess today, when heresy "is not necessarily a bad thing" its just a contrary perception yeah thats a done deal. What a contribution.
Nothing I can say anymore. My job here is done, ive said a million times how SDA is different from a mere denominational disagreement on eschatology or something like that but its no use, you refuse to see it, the ecumenical agenda trumps truth.. Carry on carrying on.

You read my posts but have no understanding whatsoever what I wrote.

 

[tourist]

Heresy-
from a Greek word signifying

(1) a choice,
(2) the opinion chosen, and
(3) the sect holding the opinion. In the Acts of the Apostles (5:17; 15:5; 24:5, 14; 26:5) it denotes a sect, without reference to its character. Elsewhere, however, in the New Testament it has a different meaning attached to it. Paul ranks "heresies" with crimes and seditions (Ga 5:20). This word also denotes divisions or schisms in the church (1Co 11:19). In Tit 3:10 a "heretical person" is one who follows his own self-willed "questions," and who is to be avoided. Heresies thus came to signify self-chosen doctrines not emanating from God (2Pe 2:1).

Glad that you cleared that up for me.

 

[Jackson123]

I forget to say something.

In John 15 Jesus say If branch not bear fruit, Will be burn.

If we not carefull read the context, we may think salvation by work. It is not

Salvation is by faith. The whole teaching say only If you abide or have faith in Jesus you Will able to bear fruit.

Not the fruit is the requirement, but abide is.

Jesus say that If you not bear fruit go to hell, because the fact you not bear fruit prove you not abide or have faith in Jesus.

Once again not the fruit but abide/faith.

 

[Sipsey]

Glad that you cleared that up for me.

Not a problem. I’m kinda new to this site and might have overstated some of my comments, and I do apologize if I’ve offended anyone by being unclear in assertion or response. But we serve a risen Savior who allows repentance from all failures, except one.

 

[Hevosmies]

My wife is a life-long SDA

Ah there it is. Your one relative is catholic, another one is SDA, that is why you are defending them.

Atleast they are in christianese cults.

We had someone in this forum who was going to a church and then found themselves in a hindu temple, but it was fine because they were "nice". Oy vey!

Sound familiar?

 

[Hevosmies]

You read my posts but have no understanding whatsoever what I wrote.

I have too much understanding of the APOSTASY predicted within Scriptures from sound doctrine. All in the name of love and unity, of course.

Doctrine divides, and all that.

But you are right. I have no understanding how you can type what you are typing, so PERHAPS its best I use the IGNORE button, , before i say something TOO MEAN? My problem is being too stubborn, thinking if I say it often enough times, people will believe it. I should jsut "let it be" rather- Its a lost cause

 

[Hevosmies]

Oh yeah and one more thing:

I want to apologize for not sticking to the topics and ideas, and instead going personal and offtopic!

 

[TMS]

The sabbath was given at creation before sin. It was sanctified and made Holy. Set aside befoe sin and before Israel exisited.

 

[Sipsey]

The sabbath was given at creation before sin. It was sanctified and made Holy. Set aside befoe sin and before Israel exisited.

I agree that there was no “human” sin at the creation in Genesis, but the Bible speaks of sin by some angels in a prior beginning.

2 Peter 2:4
For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment;

 

[preacher4truth]

I agree that there was no “human” sin at the creation in Genesis, but the Bible speaks of sin by some angels in a prior beginning.

2 Peter 2:4
For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment;

Yep, obviously there was already good and evil; Genesis 3:5.

 

[Locutus]

If I were would that make me evil?

My wife is a life-long SDA and is one of the sweetest and most decent person I have met.

Does peddling false doctrine and using deception by hiding their identities on various SDA "front" websites to snare people - yes definitely.

If you support them you need to reassess you and yer missus.

What's the missus like at serving apples up in a pie?

 

[Locutus]

The sabbath was given at creation before sin. It was sanctified and made Holy. Set aside befoe sin and before Israel exisited.

Ya, ya, same ol' SDA claim.

 

[tourist]

Does peddling false doctrine and using deception by hiding their identities on various SDA "front" websites to snare people - yes definitely.

If you support them you need to reassess you and yer missus.

What's the missus like at serving apples up in a pie?

I support those that are Christian that attend the SDA church. The SDA got their name by their adherence to the Sabbath. The forth commandment is the only one that says to "Remember". That one word throws off a lot of people. It is not false doctrine to remember to keep holy the Sabbath. Actually, the missus makes a good apple pie though the last one was not up to her standards because the recipe that was used was flawed and the crust was soggy because flour was not added to the apple mixture to thicken it and it was runny.

 

[Adstar]

To put it plainly, you believe that God's grace is the result of our faith, and that grace and faith wipes out any obligation for works. You believe our faith must be selective, so we only have faith in instructions to our thinking, never to our doing.

What is more you believe that knowing this gives you the right to judge other people, and look to see if they are working, positive those works are against God. If this idea was taken to extremes it would pit you against prayer, kindness, love or any works for the Lord.

Does this recap your beliefs?

I do not think this is what scripture teaches.

Nope..

Please read what i say and take from it my belief.. Don't get over excited and run to false conclusions making statements about my beliefs that i have never stated..

It is for me personally the most annoying thing to encounter in Christian forums.. People pronouncing what others believe without that person ever having made any such statements..

Engaging in lying character assassinations is not a Nobel activity to be engaged in..

Matthew 5 KJV
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

 

[Adstar]

I wonder what is your definition of repent?

Please go back and read my post again i gave a clear definition of repent under the scripture i quoted..

 

[Jackson123]

The sabbath was given at creation before sin. It was sanctified and made Holy. Set aside befoe sin and before Israel exisited.

So you believe Adam, Abraham whorship oN sabbath?
Sabbath is rest. Who ever accept Jesus enter into rest

Hebrews 4

3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.