A Very Simple Question

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JaumeJ

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It had occurred to me to expound on this subject much, but a simple question should not only say what I have to say on it but give the response too.

When we post, which is more in keeping with faith, cutting and pasting a lot of text quoted fromt he Word or simply sharing our understanding from the Holy Spirit., that living Representation of the Maker of all that is giving us understanding?

The written code alone kills, while the Spirit gives life. Must I here give you the chapter and verse of this? If so, I am not addressing you.
 
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JaumeJ said:
It had occurred to me to expound on this subject much, but a simple question should not only say what I have to say on it but give the response too.

When we post, which is more in keeping with faith, cutting and pasting a lot of text quoted fromt he Word or simply sharing our understanding from the Holy Spirit., that living Representation of the Maker of all that is giving us understanding?

The written code alone kills, while the Spirit gives life. Must I here give you the chapter and verse of this? If so, I am not addressing you.
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Both.
If we share our understanding from what we presume to be true illumination from the Holy Spirit, we then also need to cut and paste scripture supporting our perspective.
The reason for this is that we are all currently deceived by the devil (Revelation 12:9), who does this by masquerading as an angel of Gods true illumination (2 Corinthians 11:4), but while providing us a false perspective.
If you notice on this forum brother; many here not only do not post scriptures when they present their perspectives on scriptures, but even when proven wrong by someone posting scriptures showing their perspectives to contradict the Lords Word, will nevertheless continue to favor the pretty picture Satan has painted in their heads on what something in scriptures represents.
To all I say study the Word, so that you may be like the more noble Bearean Jews in Thessalonica (Acts 17:11) who because they read the Word regularly, were able to recognize the truth, and were not deceived by Satan's false illumination that would have been contradicting what Paul was saying, and which did deceive the other group of Jews who did not have root in the Word.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Acts 17:These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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One must remember, Anyone can look in scripture and find verses which appear to support their view Just because you cut and paste bible verses does not mean your interpretation of those verses are right. So one must especially one who claims to be a christian, be open and willing and humble enough to know that if people disagree with yoru interpretation of this verses, it may Bot be them being against God. It may be you are wrong. And we should ALL be open to teaching. And not proud thinking we know all things.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
One must remember, Anyone can look in scripture and find verses which appear to support their view Just because you cut and paste bible verses does not mean your interpretation of those verses are right. So one must especially one who claims to be a christian, be open and willing and humble enough to know that if people disagree with yoru interpretation of this verses, it may Bot be them being against God. It may be you are wrong. And we should ALL be open to teaching. And not proud thinking we know all things.
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I can agree with your perspective about both maybe being wrong, as scriptures clearly states we are all deceived by Satan.
This means, you, me, and everyone currently have false perspectives provided by the evil one.
 
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When I came to be convinced by the Hoy Spirit I had never been able to read theWord..

I was at the University of Illinois, Champaign-Urbana, and after the Holy Spirit entered into me, I could not put down the Oxfor Study Bible I obtaine, also by another miraculous event.

Not being able to contain my joy, I began to share the Word with any and all students who would listen to me.

I found before I would atually rad for the first time on a given subject, I had already shared it with others verbatum.

The written code, test, kills without the HOly Spirit revealing it to a person. Oft times individuals understand not realizing it is the Holy Spirit givening them understanding. This seems to be the case with most people.

At any rate, I know the written code kill if not understood by the HOly Spirit for there is no truth revealed without His revealing it..

Now if one shares the Word from understanding,, no harm no fou. but if one shares simply varied cut and pasgted texts without understanding from the Hoy Spirit, his argument is most likely quite vain.

Happily, all who believe Jesus Christ have been touched by the HOly Spirit for the witness of Jesus Christ is that spirit of prophecy…..Revelation.
 
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louis said:
I can agree with your perspective about both maybe being wrong, as scriptures clearly states we are all deceived by Satan.
This means, you, me, and everyone currently have false perspectives provided by the evil one.
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Yes, Which is why we all must be open to being taiught. If we think we have made it, Satan has us right where he wants us
 
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JaumeJ said:
It had occurred to me to expound on this subject much, but a simple question should not only say what I have to say on it but give the response too.

When we post, which is more in keeping with faith, cutting and pasting a lot of text quoted fromt he Word or simply sharing our understanding from the Holy Spirit., that living Representation of the Maker of all that is giving us understanding?

The written code alone kills, while the Spirit gives life. Must I here give you the chapter and verse of this? If so, I am not addressing you.
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I would definitely say that sharing how the Word is applied in one's life in a practical way that can be understood and possibly readily applied by others.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
One must remember, Anyone can look in scripture and find verses which appear to support their view Just because you cut and paste bible verses does not mean your interpretation of those verses are right. So one must especially one who claims to be a christian, be open and willing and humble enough to know that if people disagree with yoru interpretation of this verses, it may Bot be them being against God. It may be you are wrong. And we should ALL be open to teaching. And not proud thinking we know all things.
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You wrote a well-spoken post on the topic of the OP. I find that a post contains reams of cut-n-paste of bible verses to be very distracting and not indicative at all about a member's spiritual status as far as being a Christian is concerned.
 
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You wrote a well-spoken post on the topic of the OP. I find that a post contains reams of cut-n-paste of bible verses to be very distracting and not indicative at all about a member's spiritual status as far as being a Christian is concerned.
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I agree, I am at the point I do not even read those posts anymore. I want to hear what a person thinks, trying to read a bunch of posts and trying to assume you can even possibly understand what a person is trying to say is a waste of time, because you have to assume to many things..
 
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Isn't it about the work of the Savior and the testimony of the saints????

If some would only be able to to understand they are also a living gospel.....their life itself.
 
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Isn't it about the work of the Savior and the testimony of the saints????

If some would only be able to to understand they are also a living gospel.....their life itself.
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I agree about a living gospel as who we are and how we act to be a reflection of where we currently are on our spiritual journey. It is always best to set a good example that others may consider and possibly emulate as well.
 
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JaumeJ said:
It had occurred to me to expound on this subject much, but a simple question should not only say what I have to say on it but give the response too.

When we post, which is more in keeping with faith, cutting and pasting a lot of text quoted fromt he Word or simply sharing our understanding from the Holy Spirit., that living Representation of the Maker of all that is giving us understanding?

The written code alone kills, while the Spirit gives life. Must I here give you the chapter and verse of this? If so, I am not addressing you.
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As I agree with ya, that "the written code kills?" There aren't very many, if any options, available, outside of telepathy that are truly adequate.

Which is, at times, the reason I do copy and paste. To show, "typically", an understanding of that which the Holy Spirit has given me. And? I find "typically", that it is generally, an understanding, that one usuallt doesn't see in posters comments, or replies.

To not do so? IMHO, would simply change this BDF forum into an OP/ED "style" of the "passing on of understanding/s!"
Just like my last sentence, is an "OP/ED!" :p
 
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JaumeJ said:
It had occurred to me to expound on this subject much, but a simple question should not only say what I have to say on it but give the response too.

When we post, which is more in keeping with faith, cutting and pasting a lot of text quoted from the Word or simply sharing our understanding from the Holy Spirit., that living Representation of the Maker of all that is giving us understanding?

The written code alone kills, while the Spirit gives life. Must I here give you the chapter and verse of this? If so, I am not addressing you.
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If we are trying to argue a position J or just make a point then ya I want to see the scrip. When you state the "written code alone kills" we could infer that you mean the whole of scripture rather than just the decalogue.

2 Cor 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

2 Cor 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

See how that works rather than "simply sharing (Y)our understanding from the Holy Spirit."
 
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NayborBear said:
As I agree with ya, that "the written code kills?" There aren't very many, if any options, available, outside of telepathy that are truly adequate.

Which is, at times, the reason I do copy and paste. To show, "typically", an understanding of that which the Holy Spirit has given me. And? I find "typically", that it is generally, an understanding, that one usuallt doesn't see in posters comments, or replies.

To not do so? IMHO, would simply change this BDF forum into an OP/ED "style" of the "passing on of understanding/s!"
Just like my last sentence, is an "OP/ED!" :p
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When people post quotes of the Holy Scriptures with the understanding by the Holy Spirit, it is alive……..I do not recommend never making reference to the scriptures with understanding by the Holy Spirit. I am simply indicating that many scholars will come our way with no idea of what they are saying because they have managed to draw a circle with textx pasted but no understanding…..you knowthem by their fruits.
 
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Sometimes pithy is best.......sometimes writing a BOOK is not enough.
Short posts often get misunderstood.......long posts don't get read.

Its a toss up
 
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Locutus said:
If we are trying to argue a position J or just make a point then ya I want to see the scrip. When you state the "written code alone kills" we could infer that you mean the whole of scripture rather than just the decalogue.

2 Cor 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

2 Cor 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

See how that works rather than "simply sharing (Y)our understanding from the Holy Spirit."
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Wonderful quotes but if you include the ten commandments as the only scripture that kills, you lack something.
 
JaumeJ

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GraceAndTruth said:
Sometimes pithy is best.......sometimes writing a BOOK is not enough.
Short posts often get misunderstood.......long posts don't get read.

Its a toss up
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Very well said. Now find out what a true Jew is by studying with prayer how Leah came about to name Judah along with Paul's discourse on what a true Jew is...........I already know, but you should never say things blindly about Jews since it needs some study on your part.
 
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JaumeJ said:
Wonderful quotes but if you include the ten commandments as the only scripture that kills, you lack something.
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The 10 commandments as law kill only in the sense that if you chose to disobey one or all of them you will absolutely be subject to certain eternal death. Without these laws there would be no knowledge of sin and therefore no positive spiritual growth. The law does kill but Jesus saves those destined for death by paying the penalty for sin by shedding His blood and dying on the cross for who are willing to confess their past sinful lifestyle to God and allowing the Holy Spirit to live in their hearts to comfort and guide them. This is a life-long repentance process in their spiritual journey the begins at the moment of salvation.
 
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many never read the Holy Bible cover to cover, only jump about willy-nilly at random -
never really being able to 'connect' the dots -

I appreciate those who truly do take the time and energy to try and bring together
and make sense of what someone is trying to say when they haven't studied or read the proper
connections between the OT/NT...

true wisdom and understanding will take years and years of dedicated Bible Study and the fruit
of this can only spring forth if the gifts of The Holy Spirit are abiding within us...
 
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I would say scripture the literal source of God as a law of brining his word kills informing us all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God . The spiritual meaning hid mostly in parable as the law of faith(the unseen) heals . Two laws working together . Like love and marriage can't have one without the other. Or like in respect to our imputed righteousness.(Philipian2:12) Both God working his will in us, with us as Emanuel , suffering as to perform his good pleasure washing us with the water of His word.. Just as husbands are to wash their wife's working as a unit .

Romans 3:26-28 King James Version (KJV)To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
 
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