Do not know my friend. All we know is they fell from their first estate, which was in heaven. Rev. 12 speaks of this, but does not go into details as to what exactly transpired.
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NOT EVEN ON YOUTUBE?
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I just switched to to the Fastest fiber optics line, because it was cheaper than the lower speed Spectrum.
I said he was perfect in the sense that his genes weren't corrupted. Not that he wasn't a sinner.
Genesis 6:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
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Or could it not mean Noah (who walked with God) was justified not by his actions. But by grace, because like Abraham, Noah believed God and it was accounted to hm for righteousness? Just a differing thought..
But Jude does in fact give us the reason. They went after "strange flesh". What was this flesh if not human. Also, the sons of God term in Genesis 6 is used again only in Job. And in ALL instances there it is crystal clear, that it is referring to Angels.
Well I would say the perfect (uncorrupted) genes, is a separate issue from his walk with God.
5 Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 The LORD said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.(Genesis 6)
Noah was no different(neither were the other 7 who were saved with him) than those who were in verse 5.
Why do I make such a claim? Noah found favor in God’s sight. We know God does not look at man’s goodness when He gives them His favor/graces them. So, Noah was different than them, yet God gave him grace(along with the seven others) and justly condemned the rest.
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I agree,, I believe this did happen. I remember being taught this in church when I was young. But I am not sure I still believe this is why the flood occured. I do not believe any angel could mate wiht a human, unless they had the power to give themselves a human body with human DNA (again reffered to as “kind” or specie) the ffspring (if any) would still be born dead, and still need to be born again. They would still be human (although they may have charcteristics other humans do not have, that woudl all be subjective, and could not be proven
Half shmalf brother, it's still the same thing.
Come on bro, stick with sound doctrine.
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Again, Why did he condemn the rest, And why did he tell Israel to kill all the inhabitants.
I believe the answers are the same
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Again, I think this would be a stretch, The bible does not mention his genes.
In the NT we are told to be perfect as our father in heaven is perfect. Same word. I believe same context.
Noah was not any less a sinner than anyone else. But something seperated him from everyone else. What was that thing that made him “perfect” and the others not perfect?
You're reading Scripture via a presupposed assumption.
It's not tough stuff it's hogwash. Obviously you picked up on this from someone else or others. Who is it or who are they?
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lol
would you mind maybe sharing a bit of what you have found on the matter, brother
what do you believe a demon to be?
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well one thing is proven today. And that is why I have certain people on ignore
He demanded someone answer his question, Which they did
They asked hm a question. He refused to answer. Then claimed he did not have to
He continually belittles the other person who he diagrees with. With mocking belittling remarks.
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Yet he claims to be a child of God
Sadly, He does not act like one. He acts more like the phairsee who would never answer Christ or the things which they were asked to answer, but instead mocked, belittled and attacked the character of anyone who disagreed with them
Sad people can not change.
He demanded someone answer his question, Which they did
They asked hm a question. He refused to answer. Then claimed he did not have to
He continually belittles the other person who he diagrees with. With mocking belittling remarks.
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Yet he claims to be a child of God
Sadly, He does not act like one. He acts more like the phairsee who would never answer Christ or the things which they were asked to answer, but instead mocked, belittled and attacked the character of anyone who disagreed with them
Sad people can not change.
1 Peter 3:18-20 (KJV)
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: [that is Born Again, the Baptism that SAVES]
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1 Corinthians 12:13 (HCSB)
13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
Christian Water Baptism is only a Picture and Public Identification, of what the Holy Spirit did by IMMERSING you into the Spiritual Body of Christ, TRUE SALVATION.