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Why would I turn back to a religion in which religious man knowingly practice transgression of God's Commandments, and when it is shown, they insult and try to silence those who would show them?? Jesus already told me about such religions and the ministers of righteousness who would lead them..
Jesus would never practice, partake of, promote a religion which practice transgression of the Commandments of God. On this I am sure.
As He said, as the Word of God.
30 A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land;
31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?
The wisdom and foresight of my Savior has no end.
Jesus would never practice, partake of, promote a religion which practice transgression of the Commandments of God. On this I am sure.
As He said, as the Word of God.
30 A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land;
31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?
The wisdom and foresight of my Savior has no end.
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Thank you decon I got the message. I never had contact with this guy - why are the wolf's being let back in the sheep pen - don't you think something is not working right and how the heck are unsuspecting Christians suppose to know.
Frankly since I did not know his back ground and he openly uses his previous screen name it seemed to me like he was legitimately let back in by the powers to be. And if the Moderators did not let him back in he should be terminated immediately if not sooner, don't ya think.
Frankly since I did not know his back ground and he openly uses his previous screen name it seemed to me like he was legitimately let back in by the powers to be. And if the Moderators did not let him back in he should be terminated immediately if not sooner, don't ya think.
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I didn't ..........a self proclaimed prophet and saying Jesus would reference him in the day of judgment told me all I need to know about him....there was one other thing as well that I cannot remember, but just as false......! Not to mention all of the false beliefs he peddled....!
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Hi decon, it appears that DD as been removed from this forum banned again. I went back about one day and could not locate a single post by this guy DD. If you click on a previous reply to him all that appears is a response that say's this,
Attention:
The requested post could not be found.
Attention:
The requested post could not be found.
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Mmmmm...okay.
"For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes." (Romans 10:4)
"By abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace." (Ephesians 2:15)
"For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace." (Romans 6:14)
"For all who rely on works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the Law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” But the Law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree” (Galatians 3:10-13)
"For if the inheritance is based on Law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.
Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made." (Galatians 3:18-19)
"But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor." (Galatians 3:23-25)
"For, on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness (for the Law made nothing perfect), and on the other hand there is a bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God. (Hebrews 7:18-19)
"To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law, though I myself am not under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law." (1 Corinthians 9:20)
"But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter." (Romans 7:6)
"...having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross." (Colossians 2:14)
"Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God." (Romans 7:4)
"When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear." (Hebrews 8:13)
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Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.
For it is written,“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear; break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor. For the children of the desolate one will be more than those of the one who has a husband.”
Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman." (Galatians 4:21-31)
Clear enough?
"For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes." (Romans 10:4)
"By abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace." (Ephesians 2:15)
"For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace." (Romans 6:14)
"For all who rely on works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the Law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” But the Law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree” (Galatians 3:10-13)
"For if the inheritance is based on Law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.
Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made." (Galatians 3:18-19)
"But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor." (Galatians 3:23-25)
"For, on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness (for the Law made nothing perfect), and on the other hand there is a bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God. (Hebrews 7:18-19)
"To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law, though I myself am not under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law." (1 Corinthians 9:20)
"But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter." (Romans 7:6)
"...having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross." (Colossians 2:14)
"Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God." (Romans 7:4)
"When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear." (Hebrews 8:13)
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Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.
For it is written,“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear; break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor. For the children of the desolate one will be more than those of the one who has a husband.”
Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman." (Galatians 4:21-31)
Clear enough?
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The Bible says God draws people to Jesus (John 6:44). God has granted everyone common grace in the sense He offers salvation to all. It would make no sense for Jesus to die for the sins of the whole world (meaning every single person) and yet God chooses the many to go to hell (narrow way/broad way - few find the narrow way).
The whole predestination/election controversy is explained simply as this: God, before the foundation of the world, predestined/elected to save any person who will place their trust in Jesus for salvation. He elects to not save those who reject this gift.
It's like if a governor offers a death row inmate a free pardon, but the prisoner refuses. The governor has elected to save him if he would accept the pardon, but has predestined to allow him to die if he rejects it. The governor will not force the pardon upon him.
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AMEN! I never did get caught up that Predestination vs. Freedom to Choose controversy, it was one to the most settled thing in my mind, AFTER I WAS BORN AGAIN.
HE predestined before the foundation of the earth, those who to be His Children, who would Repent and Choose to Follow Christ as LORD, meaning Master.
The strange thing about Armenians and several others, is they want to believe that CHOOSING FOLLOW JESUS is ALL THEIR IDEA?
Did they ignore these verses:
1 Corinthians 3:20 (NIV)
20 and again, "The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile."
1 Corinthians 12:3 (ESV)
3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.
John 15:16-17 (NASB)
16 "You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you.
17 "This I command you, that you love one another.
John 15:19 (NASB)
19 "If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you.
With that BIBLICAL TRUTH, does it sound strange that they would want to claim that their Choosing to Follow Jesus is all their idea, and NOT the Lord our GOD ? ? ?
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Good post! Romans 8:29 - For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. *Notice how Paul uses the past tense for a future event to stress it's certainty. 
Although it is our responsibility to choose to believe and we will be held accountable for unbelief (John 3:18), saving faith in Christ is never exclusively a matter of human decision. Unless the Father draws us in and enables us, (John 6:44,65) we would NEVER believe all by ourselves. The approach of the soul to Christ is initiated by the Father, but He doesn't force us to choose Christ, we must choose Him. The impulse to faith in Christ comes from God.
Although it is our responsibility to choose to believe and we will be held accountable for unbelief (John 3:18), saving faith in Christ is never exclusively a matter of human decision. Unless the Father draws us in and enables us, (John 6:44,65) we would NEVER believe all by ourselves. The approach of the soul to Christ is initiated by the Father, but He doesn't force us to choose Christ, we must choose Him. The impulse to faith in Christ comes from God.
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All of what you say here has merit, but it doesn't address the fundamental question. Why do some choose to believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, and some don't?
Why do some have the saving faith to believe and others don't? Where does that faith come from?
I contend Scripture says it doesn't come from us. We don't muster it up in our dead hearts. Faith comes from hearing, but not all that hear believe. GOD gives us that faith.
My sinful unregenerate self was happy to wallow in the dung field of the array of sins I was mired in. That is exactly where I would have stayed if God had not put it on my heart to believe the Gospel upon hearing it. I would NOT have chosen Him if HE didn't give me the faith to believe. Yet I personally know many who heard the same message yet don't believe and remain dead in their sin.
NOTHING good resides in my flesh. I'm NOT going to choose God with my old dead heart. HE has to "quicken" or give me a NEW heart.
So you are right in that many are called. Many are given the Gospel. BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN. Few have that Gospel spark an activation of the new heart.
It always boils down to where does that faith come from that you and I and others believe in our Lord.
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This is true
But what is also true is one does not have to be a calvinist to understand this basic fact.
What the heated discussion boil down to. Is MOST calvinist would disagree, and say if you do not believe as them, Then you CHOSE to follow Jesus out of your own strength. Which is not true.
But what is also true is one does not have to be a calvinist to understand this basic fact.
What the heated discussion boil down to. Is MOST calvinist would disagree, and say if you do not believe as them, Then you CHOSE to follow Jesus out of your own strength. Which is not true.
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I do not think it is as difficult as some make it
1. WHo brought the tax collector to his knees?
2. WHo convicted the tax collector of his sin, the righteousness required, and the judgment he deserves
3. WHo convinced the tax collector that he needed to call out to God to be saved?
Did the tax collector come up with this all himself? Or did he RESPOND to Gods calling. Because God gave him the MEANS to have faith (the word)
1. WHo brought the tax collector to his knees?
2. WHo convicted the tax collector of his sin, the righteousness required, and the judgment he deserves
3. WHo convinced the tax collector that he needed to call out to God to be saved?
Did the tax collector come up with this all himself? Or did he RESPOND to Gods calling. Because God gave him the MEANS to have faith (the word)
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