Speaking in tongues

[lukeabers]

The video shows a couple guys enjoying the manifestation of tongues.
Celebrating their freedom from the yoke and curse of Cessationism.
Proving it is false with their actions. It's pretty funny and was entertaining to anyone with a sense of humor.

I find it interesting that those who do not speak in tongues take 1 Corinthians 12-14 as law.
The Apostle ends the passage by saying "... do not forbid speaking in tongues." vs 39
Those with experiential ignorance about tongues want to tell us what it is and what the "rules" are.
But end up forbidding what the Apostle was encouraging. Thus creating bondage where there is supposed to be freedom.

2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

The usage of tongues has rules associated with it. The usage of tongues, in my experience, throughout the West is generally malpracticed and...unfortunately likely used by satanists that have infiltrated the flock to make a mockery of God.

Christians don't seem to take Christ seriously when He stated that He is sending us out as sheep amongst wolves...innocent as doves, wise as serpents. The teachings within the Bible have been quite twisted over the centuries...

To close, I have had an experience where I believe I legitimately spoke in tongues. What little I remembered of it turned out to be Hebrew. So, I believe in tongues, naturally, as God can do as He will and there is Biblical precedence. However, I caution people on the topic and truly take most people that speak on the topic with a grain of salt.

 

[Noose]

The video shows a couple guys enjoying the manifestation of tongues.
Celebrating their freedom from the yoke and curse of Cessationism.
Proving it is false with their actions. It's pretty funny and was entertaining to anyone with a sense of humor.

I find it interesting that those who do not speak in tongues take 1 Corinthians 12-14 as law.
The Apostle ends the passage by saying "... do not forbid speaking in tongues." vs 39
Those with experiential ignorance about tongues want to tell us what it is and what the "rules" are.
But end up forbidding what the Apostle was encouraging. Thus creating bondage where there is supposed to be freedom.

2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

I don't forbid speaking in tongues, i only forbid thin thing they are calling 'tongues', it is simply nothing.

 

[lukeabers]

I don't forbid speaking in tongues, i only forbid thin thing they are calling 'tongues', it is simply nothing.

Who cares what you forbid, actor?

 

[Noose]

Modern tongues phenomenon is up there with picking snakes foolishness because they usually go hand in hand. The proponents will always get something in the bible to support what they do.

 

[Sketch]

The usage of tongues has rules associated with it.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[Sketch]

I don't forbid speaking in tongues, i only forbid thin thing they are calling 'tongues', it is simply nothing.

If it is really nothing, as you claim, then it shouldn't be a problem. Right?

I don't forbid tongues, he says. There's no such thing as tongues, he says.
Say what? lol

 

[lukeabers]

Thanks for proving my point.

This place is laden with wolves, so you'll have to forgive my paranoia, but just because you seem to agree with me does not mean you are in agreement with me.

What, in your opinion, is the purpose of tongues?

 

[lukeabers]

Modern tongues phenomenon is up there with picking snakes foolishness because they usually go hand in hand. The proponents will always get something in the bible to support what they do.

I thought satanic trolls were the new phenomena

 

[Sketch]

The usage of tongues, in my experience, throughout the West is generally malpracticed and...unfortunately likely used by satanists that have infiltrated the flock to make a mockery of God.

Counterfeits are created to resemble the real.
If you claim there is a counterfeit, you are also claiming the real.

Claiming that tongues are of Satan? Is that what the Apostle Paul was telling us not to forbid?

 

[lukeabers]

Counterfeits are created to resemble the real.
If you claim there is a counterfeit, you are also claiming the real.

Claiming that tongues are of satan? Is that what the Apostle Paul was telling us not to forbid?

First of all, don't capitalize the name of the adversary, it is in bad taste. Second of all, I am not calling tongues satanic, as I have claimed to have spoken in tongues, once, in private, and I believe it was actually Hebrew, at least in part. Thirdly, do read entire posts, especially on touchy subjects, before jumping to a conclusion. Might save us some time in the future.

 

[Noose]

Counterfeits are created to resemble the real.
If you claim there is a counterfeit, you are also claiming the real.

Claiming that tongues are of Satan? Is that what the Apostle Paul was telling us not to forbid?

How do you tell that there are some counterfeit tongues when all you have to support your practice is 1 Cor 14 which you think says no man knows what is said? Are they counterfeit because they don't comply with 1 Cor 14 and people know what is being said?

 

[lukeabers]

How do you tell that there are some counterfeit tongues when all you have to support your practice is 1 Cor 14 which you think says no man knows what is said? Are they counterfeit because they don't comply with 1 Cor 14 and people know what is being said?

Noose...what a nice name for a Christian board...you guys have just been running things, haven't you?

 

[Sketch]

This place is laden with wolves, so you'll have to forgive my paranoia, but just because you seem to agree with me does not mean you are in agreement with me.

What, in your opinion, is the purpose of tongues?

I know what you mean.
These forums can be a very brutal place, unfortunately.
I see that you have only been here a few days but have been quite active.
I almost didn't survive my first week here.

So, let me be a welcoming voice to you.
I accept you presence here and am interested in what you have to say.
That's not the sort of welcome I got upon arrival.
The regulars let me know in no uncertain terms that I was not welcome here.
So, hang in there. You will find acceptance in time.

What is the purpose of tongues, you ask. Good question.

Let me say right at the top, I do not expect anyone to speak in tongues.
It's not a requirement for salvation, nor necessarily an indication of greater spirituality.
However speaking in tongues does allow a person to more freely use other related manifestations of the Holy Spirit.
I do not reject someone that does not speak in tongues. If they confess faith in Jesus Christ they are my brother or sister.
They have my complete acceptance on that basis alone. (until they indicate otherwise)

Tongues is only one of many manifestations of the Holy Spirit that come with the Baprism of the Holy Spirit.
Most Pentecostal and Charismatic denominations will say that tongues is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit.
I understand why they teach that, but don't completely agree. From my perspective, the manifestation of any gift could be evidence.
Provided we are not referring to a natural ability.

I should also let you know that the church I attend does not resemble some of the churches people make videos about to "showcase" the craziness. A few months ago, a concerned newcomer asked me if we actually spoke in tongues. So, it's not something we are in your face with. But most do speak in tongues, that I know of.

Speaking in tongues has been a great comfort and help to me personally and for the church.
I have never addressed the church with a message in tongues. I have never felt that God had given me a message for them.
And frankly, a message in tongues to the whole congregation is rare. Under previous leadership we had some guidelines about this. If someone had a word for the congregation they were to get permission to deliver it from the leadership.

Tongues for me is a personal prayer language and an intercessory prayer language. Simply put, it is praying in the Spirit. This solves the problem of not knowing what to pray or praying for the wrong thing. The Spirit knows exactly what is needed in the situation. I don't use it as a last resort anymore. I pray in the Spirit first and then add whatever impressions I am getting in English so that there may be some edification in it too.

Anyway, let me know if you have further questions. Sorry for the long post.

 

[Sketch]

First of all, don't capitalize the name of the adversary, it is in bad taste. Second of all, I am not calling tongues satanic, as I have claimed to have spoken in tongues, once, in private, and I believe it was actually Hebrew, at least in part. Thirdly, do read entire posts, especially on touchy subjects, before jumping to a conclusion. Might save us some time in the future.

I've been posting on forums for nearly ten years. I'm way beyond instructions, thank you.
Names are always capitalzed in the English language when properly spelled.
My correct grammar was not intended to insult you. Be advised that I may use correct grammar again in the future.
And don't tell me what, or what not to, read. Other than that, you seem like a pretty good guy.

 

[Sketch]

Noose...what a nice name for a Christian board...you guys have just been running things, haven't you?

I think he meant to type "Moose", but misspelled it. Now he's stuck with it. lol

 

[lukeabers]

I know what you mean.
These forums can be a very brutal place, unfortunately.
I see that you have only been here a few days but have been quite active.
I almost didn't survive my first week here.

So, let me be a welcoming voice to you.
I accept you presence here and am interested in what you have to say.
That's not the sort of welcome I got upon arrival.
The regulars let me know in no uncertain terms that I was not welcome here.
So, hang in there. You will find acceptance in time.

What is the purpose of tongues, you ask. Good question.

Let me say right at the top, I do not expect anyone to speak in tongues.
It's not a requirement for salvation, nor necessarily an indication of greater spirituality.
However speaking in tongues does allow a person to more freely use other related manifestations of the Holy Spirit.
I do not reject someone that does not speak in tongues. If they confess faith in Jesus Christ they are my brother or sister.
They have my complete acceptance on that basis alone. (until they indicate otherwise)

Tongues is only one of many manifestations of the Holy Spirit that come with the Baprism of the Holy Spirit.
Most Pentecostal and Charismatic denominations will say that tongues is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit.
I understand why they teach that, but don't completely agree. From my perspective, the manifestation of any gift could be evidence.
Provided we are not referring to a natural ability.

I should also let you know that the church I attend does not resemble some of the churches people make videos about to "showcase" the craziness. A few months ago, a concerned newcomer asked me if we actually spoke in tongues. So, it's not something we are in your face with. But most do speak in tongues, that I know of.

Speaking in tongues has been a great comfort and help to me personally and for the church.
I have never addressed the church with a message in tongues. I have never felt that God had given me a message for them.
And frankly, a message in tongues to the whole congregation is rare. Under previous leadership we had some guidelines about this. If someone had a word for the congregation they were to get permission to deliver it from the leadership.

Tongues for me is a personal prayer language and an intercessory prayer language. Simply put, it is praying in the Spirit. This solves the problem of not knowing what to pray or praying for the wrong thing. The Spirit knows exactly what is needed in the situation. I don't use it as a last resort anymore. I pray in the Spirit first and then add whatever impressions I am getting in English so that there may be some edification in it too.

Anyway, let me know if you have further questions. Sorry for the long post.

I'll read any length of post, if it is sincere.

Ok, so, great. We seem to agree on all of the essentials. However, and this is unfortunate to hear, I imagine, but you are likely surrounded by those that are not as they seem to be, the sheep-clad wolves, if you will. The entire pentacostal movement...devastated Christianity. The nonsense that arose from Toronto in the 1960's has led to a slew of problems, the most obvious being drastic divorce rates. I grew up in the movement...dad was a pastor etc. I know...too much about what goes on.

I won't be on this board for long, only here to touch base with some believers with the intent of starting a network for what is coming. Yes, it is that dramatic. Indeed, what a drama this entire human story has been...

God is moving...hope you are listening...with eyes wide open.

 

[lukeabers]

I've been posting on forums for nearly ten years. I'm way beyond instructions, thank you.
Names are always capitalzed in the English language when properly spelled.
My correct grammar was not intended to insult you. Be advised that I may use correct grammar again in the future.
And don't tell me what, or what not to, read. Other than that, you seem like a pretty good guy.

Don't defend that nonsense to me. Cut the ****. You know nothing of what is currently going on around you. It is best you start thinking instead of following.

 

[Sketch]

How do you tell that there are some counterfeit tongues when all you have to support your practice is 1 Cor 14 which you think says no man knows what is said? Are they counterfeit because they don't comply with 1 Cor 14 and people know what is being said?

Ninety to ninetyfive percent of what we know about the manifestations of the Holy Spirit come from 1 Corinthians chapter twelve and fourteen. The other five to ten percent from elsewhere. Like this gem.

1 Corinthians 2:3-5
I came to you in weakness with great fear and trembling. 4 My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, 5 so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom, but on God’s power.

 

[lukeabers]

I think he meant to type "Moose", but misspelled it. Now he's stuck with it. lol

Oh, haha...yea, I'll bet...

I read a story of a guy who converted away from satanism...prior to his conversion, he was a blood drinking, ritualistic satanist that operated as a deacon at a church. You know, ruining relationships, sleeping with people's wives etc.

Wisen up, dovey.

 

[Sketch]

Don't defend that nonsense to me. Cut the ****. You know nothing of what is currently going on around you. It is best you start thinking instead of following.

Since when is correct grammar nonsense. You seem to be using it?

How does you high level of paranoia fit with trusting God for your future?
If Jesus is your copilot, you're in the wrong seat.