The Rapture of the Church is after the Tribulation
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Wow! I provide over 100 verses in that link from my website and your so fearful of truth you do not even open the link but go right to posting an "opinion" because your too fearful to actually open the link because it might contradict your "safe space" 
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Revelation 21:7-8 He that overcometh shall inherit these things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. (8) But for the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part shall be in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.
I will not respond to you again until you actually open the link. Then copy and past out of that link a contextual proof for the title of this post and then provide the contextual proof for your silly "thesis" for a pretrib rapture that totally refutes the contextual part of my link you think it actually refutes!!!!
(Revelation 21:7-8 He that overcometh shall inherit these things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. (8) But for the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part shall be in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.
I will not respond to you again until you actually open the link. Then copy and past out of that link a contextual proof for the title of this post and then provide the contextual proof for your silly "thesis" for a pretrib rapture that totally refutes the contextual part of my link you think it actually refutes!!!!
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Thank you for the kind words sis! Please feel free to purose other links on my web site and let me know what you think sis whether here or at my email under contacts on the upper right corner on my site
https://sumofthyword.com/
https://sumofthyword.com/
here's who...
"here's who", who says this about the trinity:
"So the trinity doctrine as it is worded above is false doctrine. A true description of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is:
“Our Father is the Most High God who has a Holy Spirit. He brought forth His Word as the beginning of His creation and declared Him our God under His authority. He then had His Word become flesh as Jesus the Lamb of God who was conceived of Father’s Holy Spirit”
https://sumofthyword.com/2017/02/17/trinity-true-or-false/
"So the trinity doctrine as it is worded above is false doctrine. A true description of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is:
“Our Father is the Most High God who has a Holy Spirit. He brought forth His Word as the beginning of His creation and declared Him our God under His authority. He then had His Word become flesh as Jesus the Lamb of God who was conceived of Father’s Holy Spirit”
https://sumofthyword.com/2017/02/17/trinity-true-or-false/
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Whatever you personally believe about the Holy Spirit there are many in the Pre Trib Camp who have preached and written over the past decades that the Holy Spirit leaves with the church at the rapture its not just what I'm suggesting . I didn't get the idea out of thin air. I am an ex pre tribber and that popular idea was one of many reasons I became one.
What is so condescending about telling a guy to get out of his safe space because he refuses to open a link about the rapture that requires us search the matter through many precepts upon precepts here a little there a little as these scriptures clearly prove:
Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing; But the glory of kings is to search out a matter.
Isaiah 28:9-10 Whom will he teach knowledge? and whom will he make to understand the message? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts? (10) For it is precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, there a little.
Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing; But the glory of kings is to search out a matter.
Isaiah 28:9-10 Whom will he teach knowledge? and whom will he make to understand the message? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts? (10) For it is precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, there a little.
Oh so now we have to have "sources" other than the Word of God:
John 17:17 Sanctify them in the truth: thy word is truth.
I highly doubt it's an "opinion" blog when every link contains at least 80% scripture and at most 20% of my words. No sorry I am not a Jehovah witness just because I use the ASV. Funny how you accuse me of being condenscending and then spin right around in your next post and lable my website a "cult". Is that not the definition of hypocrisy!
John 17:17 Sanctify them in the truth: thy word is truth.
I highly doubt it's an "opinion" blog when every link contains at least 80% scripture and at most 20% of my words. No sorry I am not a Jehovah witness just because I use the ASV. Funny how you accuse me of being condenscending and then spin right around in your next post and lable my website a "cult". Is that not the definition of hypocrisy!
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That's pretty silly, especially consider one of the verses I quoted says that the gathering of the saints happens 'after the tribulation of those days' in a passage about the great tribulation.
I am not defying any of that. Honestly, you come off as rather obnoxious with your declarations and accusations. And you know who the accuser of the brethren is, don't you. Why don't you be a bit more humble and personable about just having a Bible discussion where we can learn. It makes me wonder if the reason you resort to this kind of rhetoric could be insecurity because you do not feel that confident in your position.
If you can spin some verses to fit into the pre-trib scenario, that does not mean that they are actually pretrib. My approach is to show passages of scripture that associate the rapture/gathering with a certain point in time. That then serves as a basis for how we interpret other verses. Pre-tribbers typically filter passages through a pre-trib lens-- thinking of how they work through their pretrib theory, without considering other alternatives.
I am not defying passages in Revelation. If you want to be persuasive, you should at least quote the verses you think are pre-trib, and explain how you fit that into the pre-trib theory. Then we can talk about how that is legit.
Your argument that Jesus returning with His saints disproves prosttrib seems particularly foolish since post-trib since you are arguing the idea that the saints are raptured, meet the Lord with the air, and then return with him.
Is there even a church in Sardis/ Sart now? I mean a congregation, not ruins.
Oh, come on. Pre-trib was developed in the 1800's. The only shred of evidence that someone might have been pre-trib was that Ephraim guy in the 300's who might have just gotten a bit confused about the order of events in the Bible. Darby read an end-times book from a Jesuit priest-- who wasn't pre-trib, and developed the system. There is no evidence the apostles or early church believed in pre-trib.
Pre-tribbers are 'refitting'. And there is no passage that puts a rapture in the sequence of events before the tribulation. I showed you scripture for the gathering after the rapture. You didn't comment on the issue in that last post. Instead, you made accusations.
There were premil believers in the early church like Papias and Justin and early Christians. There was also historic pre-mil, which I understand is quite similar to post-trib aside from post-tribbers believing in or emphasizing an actual rapture.
I am not defying any of that. Honestly, you come off as rather obnoxious with your declarations and accusations. And you know who the accuser of the brethren is, don't you. Why don't you be a bit more humble and personable about just having a Bible discussion where we can learn. It makes me wonder if the reason you resort to this kind of rhetoric could be insecurity because you do not feel that confident in your position.
If you can spin some verses to fit into the pre-trib scenario, that does not mean that they are actually pretrib. My approach is to show passages of scripture that associate the rapture/gathering with a certain point in time. That then serves as a basis for how we interpret other verses. Pre-tribbers typically filter passages through a pre-trib lens-- thinking of how they work through their pretrib theory, without considering other alternatives.
I am not defying passages in Revelation. If you want to be persuasive, you should at least quote the verses you think are pre-trib, and explain how you fit that into the pre-trib theory. Then we can talk about how that is legit.
Your argument that Jesus returning with His saints disproves prosttrib seems particularly foolish since post-trib since you are arguing the idea that the saints are raptured, meet the Lord with the air, and then return with him.
Is there even a church in Sardis/ Sart now? I mean a congregation, not ruins.
Oh, come on. Pre-trib was developed in the 1800's. The only shred of evidence that someone might have been pre-trib was that Ephraim guy in the 300's who might have just gotten a bit confused about the order of events in the Bible. Darby read an end-times book from a Jesuit priest-- who wasn't pre-trib, and developed the system. There is no evidence the apostles or early church believed in pre-trib.
Pre-tribbers are 'refitting'. And there is no passage that puts a rapture in the sequence of events before the tribulation. I showed you scripture for the gathering after the rapture. You didn't comment on the issue in that last post. Instead, you made accusations.
There were premil believers in the early church like Papias and Justin and early Christians. There was also historic pre-mil, which I understand is quite similar to post-trib aside from post-tribbers believing in or emphasizing an actual rapture.