only the first blue paragraph you put was originally something i said. this is the subject of the quote, which is from over a year ago in a different thread -
Colossians 2:20-23
Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using) after the commandments and doctrines of men? Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
studydude does not exactly have a reputation for honest or accurate representation of facts. in fact he has a reputation for deliberate misrepresentation of the truth.
Colossians 2:20-23
Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using) after the commandments and doctrines of men? Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
studydude does not exactly have a reputation for honest or accurate representation of facts. in fact he has a reputation for deliberate misrepresentation of the truth.
God's Word, and Man's Word.
Col. 2:
6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, (Of Abraham, yes) as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest any man (Not the word of God)spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, (Like God's Commandments are just a "bunch of laws" like any pagan religion) after the tradition of men, (wicked above all things and desperately wicked) after the rudiments of the world, (Religious doctrines and traditions of men) and not after Christ. (Who created all things, including the same instructions you preach are just a "bunch of laws")
The Jews had created their own definition of Holy and Clean, they were NOT obeying God Post. They, like "many" who come in Christ's Name, had created their own religious path, their own righteousness, and had refused to submit to the Righteousness of God. That is Paul's teaching. But because you have said and are convinced that the Pharisee's were trying to please God, or earn His Mercy by obeying God's Laws, you can't see what I am talking about. This "belief" you have is blinding you, while you have been convinced this belief has set you "FREE".
So in Col. 2, there is mention of "vain deceit" tradition of men, and rudiments of the world. But because you have been deceived into believing there is no difference between God's Commandments that He created for man, and man's religious traditions of those who refuse to submit to God's righteousness, you confuse the two.
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Since you believe God's "ordinances" are no different than satan's ordinances, as your post clearly reveals, you preach there is no difference, that ALL religious instructions are "vain deceit" and are against us. Refusing to accept the very Word's of the Christ which teaches the opposite.
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
So you must also believe that the Christ made a show of the God who created these "ordinances" and triumphed over the Creator of these "Ordinance" that are "AGAINST" us. When I asked who the them was, you ignored the question because the answer to this simple question exposes your understanding as in error.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Man's religious traditions, satan's religious traditions are a shadow of nothing. But God's Salvation plan as spelled out through HIS Feasts and Sabbaths are a shadow of things to come.
18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
Who was critical of the Gentiles who turned to God? Religious leaders who believed the Word which became Flesh? No, Post, the mainstream Preachers of His time who "taught for doctrines the Commandments of MEN, not God as you preach.
19 And not holding the Head, (The Creator of all things)from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God. (The Word which became Flesh)
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
The religions of the land had their own religion. Jesus said so. You couldn't eat without first following some religious hand cleansing ritual. You couldn't walk on the Sabbath and eat a strawberry. You couldn't help a brother on His Holy Sabbath. The list goes on and on. These were religious traditions of men, rudiments of the prince of this world. Not of God as you preach.
22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men? (Not God as you preach)
23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
These religions of man look good. But they are not from the Christ. This chapter is a warning to stick to the Word's of Christ which He said is "Life", not the religious traditions of the religions of the land.
If you want to explain to me where this understanding is not supported by the rest of the Bible, please do. I will welcome your input as to how the Bible exposes this understanding wrong. But if you continue to just ignore these questions and points in order to preserve your own religion, then don't waste your time.
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