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Is getting in your car and driving to the store work or take effort ? Because that is what pisteuo is . An act , based upon a belief , sustained by confidence . You would fulfill dozens of acts of pisteuo in your way to the store .
The Greek doesn't allow work and effort to be separated from Faith like the English does . That work and effort is what's mandatory to receive His free gift of Grace . Not trying to replace or better Grace , Grace is a finished work , and can't be improved on . Faith and faithing are what the Father calls us to , in order to position ourselves to receive that free gift of Grace .
Believing isn't even in the equation .
The Greek doesn't allow work and effort to be separated from Faith like the English does . That work and effort is what's mandatory to receive His free gift of Grace . Not trying to replace or better Grace , Grace is a finished work , and can't be improved on . Faith and faithing are what the Father calls us to , in order to position ourselves to receive that free gift of Grace .
Believing isn't even in the equation .
The above is pure nonsense. If you knew anything related to the Greek, you would know a Greek scholar would not consult Vines. A Greek scholar would use Liddell and Scott, BDAG (or one of the earlier versions) or TDNT. A Bible scholar wouldn't depend on a single entry from a dictionary to prove their point. Instead, he/she would use examples of the word from the NT.
You may have taught at SU for 33 years but your discipline has nothing to do with Greek studies or NT interpretation. You're a fraud.
You may have taught at SU for 33 years but your discipline has nothing to do with Greek studies or NT interpretation. You're a fraud.
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My instructor used all Greek dictionarys and commentary's . And had the largest collection of biblical manuscripts in private hands behind the Vatican . He taught from those manuscripts for 50 years . He was a teachers teacher , scholarship in all the ancient texts . He was the one who decided who's translation was correct or not , and what language was the closest to the original . He was by far the best and only hifted Bible teacher I've ever known , possibly ever . So you can take your nonsense and fraud and sell it to someone else , not gonna sell here .
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And the word pisteuo is from the NT . I've given alot of ground work to how and why I highlight the Strongs and Vines . Your late to the discussion and to think I'm basing my understanding on one definition out of the Vines would be a mistake on your part .
And what your second post and your already calling me names ? You might notice I don't need to go there . You have nothing I need , I have something you need .
Strongs : " pisteuo means NOT just to believe !"
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And the word pisteuo is from the NT . I've given alot of ground work to how and why I highlight the Strongs and Vines . Your late to the discussion and to think I'm basing my understanding on one definition out of the Vines would be a mistake on your part .
And what your second post and your already calling me names ? You might notice I don't need to go there . You have nothing I need , I have something you need .
Strongs : " pisteuo means NOT just to believe !"
The Head controls the body. The body moves and does whatever the Head commands or tells it to do.
The Lord is the HEAD and the Church is the BODY OF CHRIST.
Who are the SERVANTS and who is the Lord?
...For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field,God’s building.
1 Corinthians 3:9
...As God’s fellow workers we urge you not to receive God’s grace in vain. 2 corinthians 6:1
It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up...we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ. 16 From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.
Ephesians 4:11-16
The Lord is the HEAD and the Church is the BODY OF CHRIST.
Who are the SERVANTS and who is the Lord?
...For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field,God’s building.
1 Corinthians 3:9
...As God’s fellow workers we urge you not to receive God’s grace in vain. 2 corinthians 6:1
It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up...we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ. 16 From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.
Ephesians 4:11-16
Hi Pisteou,
I just highlighted to you probably the most hype part of your post. Are you not only basing then to a one man/professor whom you cannot name. You have just reminded me of to the rules of Textual Criticism of allowing emendation, a pure guess, an educated guess indeed. Going to Vines of your “surrender” does not really have the exact meaning as far as salvation is concern. The Englishman Greek Concordance of the New Testament gave us another translation of the Greek “pistou” which is committed(entrusted) as seen in 1 Cor. 9:17; Gal. 2:7;1 Timothy 1:11; Luke 16:11, John 2:24 and Romans 3:2 thus giving no sense about “surrender” for salvation.
I just highlighted to you probably the most hype part of your post. Are you not only basing then to a one man/professor whom you cannot name. You have just reminded me of to the rules of Textual Criticism of allowing emendation, a pure guess, an educated guess indeed. Going to Vines of your “surrender” does not really have the exact meaning as far as salvation is concern. The Englishman Greek Concordance of the New Testament gave us another translation of the Greek “pistou” which is committed(entrusted) as seen in 1 Cor. 9:17; Gal. 2:7;1 Timothy 1:11; Luke 16:11, John 2:24 and Romans 3:2 thus giving no sense about “surrender” for salvation.
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The truth is that the deceiver has been deceiving from the beginning until now.
These deceivers will REJECT and NULLIFY the Word and believe the deceiving spirits.(Isaiah 5:20-24, Mark 7:6-13)
...while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 2 Timothy 3:13
...THE SPIRIT CLEARLY SAYS that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through HYPOCRITICAL LIARS, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 1 Timothy 4:1-2
How would we know who were the ones that were deceived?
We know that Eve was deceived when she believed the deceiver and disobeyed God's command.
Who are the deceivers and who were deceived?
..But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.
...At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
Matthew 24:10-14, 24
...For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
...And those that were deceived believed in the deceivers mentioned above and disobeyed God's commands because they were made to believe that they would not surely die, IOW, "always saved". But scriptures warn us not to be deceived;
Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them.
Ephesians 5:6-7
...Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ” “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”...
Genesis 3:1-19
Just think what could have happened if Eve did not believe the serpents deception but OBEYED God instead. ...NO NEED TO DISCUSS SALVATION FOR SURE because no one needs to be saved.
The truth is that Adam and Eve were created according to the image of God's righteousness and holiness and they BELIEVE and OBEY God until they got DECEIVED and disobeyed God.
Did God warn us about the deception? If He did, then why resist them?
So who would say now that OBEDIENCE TO GOD HAS NO BEARING IN SALVATION?
These deceivers will REJECT and NULLIFY the Word and believe the deceiving spirits.(Isaiah 5:20-24, Mark 7:6-13)
...while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 2 Timothy 3:13
...THE SPIRIT CLEARLY SAYS that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through HYPOCRITICAL LIARS, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 1 Timothy 4:1-2
How would we know who were the ones that were deceived?
We know that Eve was deceived when she believed the deceiver and disobeyed God's command.
Who are the deceivers and who were deceived?
..But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.
...At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
Matthew 24:10-14, 24
...For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
...And those that were deceived believed in the deceivers mentioned above and disobeyed God's commands because they were made to believe that they would not surely die, IOW, "always saved". But scriptures warn us not to be deceived;
Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them.
Ephesians 5:6-7
...Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ” “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”...
Genesis 3:1-19
Just think what could have happened if Eve did not believe the serpents deception but OBEYED God instead. ...NO NEED TO DISCUSS SALVATION FOR SURE because no one needs to be saved.
The truth is that Adam and Eve were created according to the image of God's righteousness and holiness and they BELIEVE and OBEY God until they got DECEIVED and disobeyed God.
Did God warn us about the deception? If He did, then why resist them?
So who would say now that OBEDIENCE TO GOD HAS NO BEARING IN SALVATION?
"Pisstoe, I want you to know I have the largest collection of "biblical" mss in my hands! Only the Vatican have more!"
Baloney.
(pisstoeu melts in naïve admiration)
Whomever this person is (note of an unmentioned name to elicit some false humility) hoodwinked you.
If this person exists, which I highly doubt, from your description of him and your singing his self initiated praise, he would be more than happy for you to exalt him publicly by name.
Baloney.
(pisstoeu melts in naïve admiration)
Whomever this person is (note of an unmentioned name to elicit some false humility) hoodwinked you.
If this person exists, which I highly doubt, from your description of him and your singing his self initiated praise, he would be more than happy for you to exalt him publicly by name.
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William vine was quoted as saying that the " Scriptures were fine, unless they were tampered with".
so, the guy that wrote the concordance that pisteuo pushes implied that there was something " wrong " with Scripture and he " righted the wrong".
always bad, always ignore any who do this.
so, the guy that wrote the concordance that pisteuo pushes implied that there was something " wrong " with Scripture and he " righted the wrong".
always bad, always ignore any who do this.
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We had one on here with the same mantra saying the Scriptures are corrupt, casting doubt in the minds of others.
Of course, when it came time to hear him on the Scriptures or spiritual matters, well, he was a self-described expert. "Listen to me, as to the word of God, it's corrupt."
Our resident "faithing" heretic is doing the exact same thing: Listen to me, not the Word, I have THE wakeup call to the church. Millions before him have been lost according to him. Unreal yet this is what he is teaching.
Of course, when it came time to hear him on the Scriptures or spiritual matters, well, he was a self-described expert. "Listen to me, as to the word of God, it's corrupt."
Our resident "faithing" heretic is doing the exact same thing: Listen to me, not the Word, I have THE wakeup call to the church. Millions before him have been lost according to him. Unreal yet this is what he is teaching.
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John 3:18
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
John 14:1
1 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me.
John 20:31
31 But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
The Bible is full of the Word BELIEVE...I could go on and on and on ...
Romans 10:9-11
9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”
Praise God and thank You Jesus \
/...xox...
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
John 14:1
1 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me.
John 20:31
31 But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
The Bible is full of the Word BELIEVE...I could go on and on and on ...
Romans 10:9-11
9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”
Praise God and thank You Jesus \
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