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I have listened to a great volume of MacArthur's exegesis. Much...very much...of his stance is correct, with a few debatable errors and a very few (2-3) more serious problems. The one thing he has supposedly stated (that cannot be correct) is that those who take the mark of the beast are capable of repentance.
His acceptance of Usshers Chronology is tragic and definitely wrong. Its quite impossible to had the birth of Abraham at 2322 BC and the flood less than 100 years earlier.
And his work on tongues is excellent and probably spot on. Admittedly, tongues is a tough nut to crack.
There are some other rather nasty rumors about his church, but I am only interested in correct exegesis, which he produces voluminously and mostly correctly.
His acceptance of Usshers Chronology is tragic and definitely wrong. Its quite impossible to had the birth of Abraham at 2322 BC and the flood less than 100 years earlier.
And his work on tongues is excellent and probably spot on. Admittedly, tongues is a tough nut to crack.
There are some other rather nasty rumors about his church, but I am only interested in correct exegesis, which he produces voluminously and mostly correctly.
as I said, if I could, I would repeat what this pastor says. It's the clearest message I have found to make sense to someone. I couldn't make more sense to you than this man. We agree, him and I. Do you want me to just copy and paste what he says? Why should I take a chance of confusing you rather than giving you the clearest explanation of all?
If you care more about hearing and knowing the truth and caring less who gives it to you, then just read it. If you don't want to, then okay, you don't have to. It's for your sake, not mine. I'm offering you the best understanding and explanation I know of that agrees with my beliefs and understanding.
If you care more about hearing and knowing the truth and caring less who gives it to you, then just read it. If you don't want to, then okay, you don't have to. It's for your sake, not mine. I'm offering you the best understanding and explanation I know of that agrees with my beliefs and understanding.
I've never met a Christian who was right about everything. A true Christian pastor would tell you they have preached something before that wasn't true, but somewhere down the road God showed them the truth that what they thought was the truth wasn't. Or else, wouldn't a pastor know everything? The tongues is things of the past and present, but the mark of he beast is still in the future, not now or before. You expect a pastor to know the truth about future thing so clearly more than the past and present of what we have already witnessed?
every preacher will have his flaws and will have to learn down the road, and even if they preached for 1,000 years, they would still have more to learn about always finding them to be corrected about something now and then. I know Pastor John MacArthur is a man of God, even if he isn't right about everything he preaches. What he says here, I agree with it. I don't find him wrong about tongues.
every preacher will have his flaws and will have to learn down the road, and even if they preached for 1,000 years, they would still have more to learn about always finding them to be corrected about something now and then. I know Pastor John MacArthur is a man of God, even if he isn't right about everything he preaches. What he says here, I agree with it. I don't find him wrong about tongues.
Based on what you have told me to date it is clear that you have nothing to offer me.
I find it interesting that people who don't speak in tongues want to inform those who do about what it is and how it is to be used.
If you would receive the Baptism in the Holy Spirit and then attend a church where tongues are spoken on a regular basis for
a few years, then we can talk. Until then you have absolutely nothing of value for me. Thanks.
I find it interesting that people who don't speak in tongues want to inform those who do about what it is and how it is to be used.
If you would receive the Baptism in the Holy Spirit and then attend a church where tongues are spoken on a regular basis for
a few years, then we can talk. Until then you have absolutely nothing of value for me. Thanks.
It's funny you'd rather take an answer from some average guy than a pastor who has been preaching the word from his youth to his elderly age for decades and is one of the most popular pastors in the nation, but isn't a televangelist.
But I could tell how you have been talking to other people already, you won't listen to me if I did explain. You seem you have a hard head to believe what you already believe and you would refuse even if I made perfect sense. You want to believe in this stuff. You would simply read this pastors message if you cared about the truth rather than wanting to believe what you already believe. That's a sign about anything for everyone. I gave you a link, that is the offer. Sorry but that is proof you were given something to find the truth and you choose not to take it.
But I could tell how you have been talking to other people already, you won't listen to me if I did explain. You seem you have a hard head to believe what you already believe and you would refuse even if I made perfect sense. You want to believe in this stuff. You would simply read this pastors message if you cared about the truth rather than wanting to believe what you already believe. That's a sign about anything for everyone. I gave you a link, that is the offer. Sorry but that is proof you were given something to find the truth and you choose not to take it.
Besides, I already told my story how I know it isn't real. If you simply just understand scripture, you will understand the truth. It doesn't take a sign. But to find what the gibberish is even for, if you know what God does and why he does things, then you know he doesn't work like that for speaking in tongues for that is meaningless and useless and does not bring him glory.
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What you were offering was a lie, not the truth.
Without realizing it you have fallen prey to the pervasive doctrine called Cessationism.
The claim that the miracle gifts ended with the Apostles. This is a false and harmful doctrine.
But here you are promoting it as the truth. We have been robbed.
Why would you ASSUME that what I am saying is false and what he is saying is the truth?
Without realizing it you have fallen prey to the pervasive doctrine called Cessationism.
The claim that the miracle gifts ended with the Apostles. This is a false and harmful doctrine.
But here you are promoting it as the truth. We have been robbed.
Why would you ASSUME that what I am saying is false and what he is saying is the truth?
Hello. In fact he has indeed altered his position a couple of time in order to make the necessary corrections. The matter of the mark of the beast matters little to me, I understand the situation.
The Usshers chronology is the easy way out, that is why creation.com, icr.com and the big evangelistic churches accept it, but there is absolutely no doubt that Abraham was born in about 2300 BC, of this fact there is not the slightest doubt.
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...the-scriptures-telescoped-genealogies.181012/
The Usshers chronology is the easy way out, that is why creation.com, icr.com and the big evangelistic churches accept it, but there is absolutely no doubt that Abraham was born in about 2300 BC, of this fact there is not the slightest doubt.
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...the-scriptures-telescoped-genealogies.181012/
Lol. Nope. All I want is to see is legitimate medical testimony and unequivocal video footage. Piece of cake, done deal, all of the contention and arguments DISAPPEAR.
You must understand that at many of Jesus miraculous healings the beneficiaries were to go to the priest to be confirmed correct? As a witness to them.....and everyone else of a confirmed miracle duly recorded by the authorities.
You must understand that at many of Jesus miraculous healings the beneficiaries were to go to the priest to be confirmed correct? As a witness to them.....and everyone else of a confirmed miracle duly recorded by the authorities.
In the end of a debate, I just tell people, go to the Lord, pray with all your might and heart, pray for understanding when you are truly ready to accept the truth from God's word that you may find you were wrong all along, and then get into the word and don't stop till you know you would die if a gun was put to your head to deny if this was the truth or not.
The Lord said, Seek and you shall find. I went to seek, I came to him for truth and he showed it to me. he will do the same for you. If simply someone who knows his word in certain areas cannot convince you of truth, then you and the Lord should get together and he will make it clear. Of course, if your heart is truly hardened and not open to change, then he will probably just let you believe the lies you want to keep believing.
Take the Lord's word for it, not mine.
1 Corinthians 14:14, "If I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful."
Again, what would you make of this? If you sound convincing, maybe I will explain it my own way to you if this verse agrees with the verses you gave me
The Lord said, Seek and you shall find. I went to seek, I came to him for truth and he showed it to me. he will do the same for you. If simply someone who knows his word in certain areas cannot convince you of truth, then you and the Lord should get together and he will make it clear. Of course, if your heart is truly hardened and not open to change, then he will probably just let you believe the lies you want to keep believing.
Take the Lord's word for it, not mine.
1 Corinthians 14:14, "If I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful."
Again, what would you make of this? If you sound convincing, maybe I will explain it my own way to you if this verse agrees with the verses you gave me
New tongues as language of God who was no longer working through the Hebrew tongue alone , the reformation had come.
(In the name of Jesus Christ, I command you to come out of her.") Exactly, the word of God the gospel of our salvation as it is written it alone is that which cast out demons. The kind of demons the apostles could not cast out Jesus referred to those kind as the kind that only come out with fasting and prayer .True fasting is offering the gospel, the new tongue of God.
Its not a suggestion of men but a law of God needed to understand who He is what His plans are etc. He designed parables for a holy purpose. He has given us the honor and privilege to search out the hidden meaning . "Without parable he spoke not" .
Parables are biblical prophecy it is included in the many manners he did speak
Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
The interpreter is the revelation …...Just as a parable is a revelation, comparing the things seen the temporal to the things not seen the eternal .Called the Holy Place of God
God revealing His interpretation .You could say giving us ear to hear what he is saying to the churches.
First things first.
2 Peter 1:19-21 King James Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Yes, even though God is no longer brining any new revelations as prophecy it does not take away prophecy But seal it to keep the integrity of it. As the standard we prove it by "Prove all things".
We are as those of the great commission sent out two by two sent as apostles in order to prophesy by declaring the written will of God the gospel of our salvation
(In the name of Jesus Christ, I command you to come out of her.") Exactly, the word of God the gospel of our salvation as it is written it alone is that which cast out demons. The kind of demons the apostles could not cast out Jesus referred to those kind as the kind that only come out with fasting and prayer .True fasting is offering the gospel, the new tongue of God.
Its not a suggestion of men but a law of God needed to understand who He is what His plans are etc. He designed parables for a holy purpose. He has given us the honor and privilege to search out the hidden meaning . "Without parable he spoke not" .
Parables are biblical prophecy it is included in the many manners he did speak
Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
The interpreter is the revelation …...Just as a parable is a revelation, comparing the things seen the temporal to the things not seen the eternal .Called the Holy Place of God
God revealing His interpretation .You could say giving us ear to hear what he is saying to the churches.
First things first.
2 Peter 1:19-21 King James Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Yes, even though God is no longer brining any new revelations as prophecy it does not take away prophecy But seal it to keep the integrity of it. As the standard we prove it by "Prove all things".
We are as those of the great commission sent out two by two sent as apostles in order to prophesy by declaring the written will of God the gospel of our salvation
Languages are languages nothing more and nothing less. They convey thoughts . Some form of communication was designed for human kind and another for this or that kind. But all are used to communicate between two walking together .
Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
All prayer is personal Speaking to/with God
I would see that five a little differently .
1) two walking together in a hope of agreement
2) two walking together in a hope of agreement, praying for others. Not praying to the others but a prayer request like the first one praying to with God
3) Preaching the gospel as the prophecy of God. God's interpretation to us.
4) Singing in the Spirit - Singing in a native tongue. (as two walking together) Perhaps moved the Spirit as an answer to prayer.
5) Evangelistic language - Speaking the message of God to a people in whom he gives ears to hear. Christ's interpretation heard in their own tongue (never the private interpretation of men)
Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
All prayer is personal Speaking to/with God
I would see that five a little differently .
1) two walking together in a hope of agreement
2) two walking together in a hope of agreement, praying for others. Not praying to the others but a prayer request like the first one praying to with God
3) Preaching the gospel as the prophecy of God. God's interpretation to us.
4) Singing in the Spirit - Singing in a native tongue. (as two walking together) Perhaps moved the Spirit as an answer to prayer.
5) Evangelistic language - Speaking the message of God to a people in whom he gives ears to hear. Christ's interpretation heard in their own tongue (never the private interpretation of men)
If I believe you, then I have to say "God, you are a liar!" are you honestly going to try to make me look at what the Lord taught me and have me tell him he is wrong? I didnt get this knowledge from myself, from anyone else on this planet, I got it from God.
I bet you got this from some preacher and people around your chapel or family.
I bet you got this from some preacher and people around your chapel or family.
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for the amount of years that you are saved doesn't mean you know more than a Christian who has been saved for a shorter time than you. just as I didn't grow up in school, and other kids did grow up in school, then we put our knowledge together and test who is smarter and I come out to be the one who is far smarter than them. It goes to prove that even all their years of studying doesn't always surpass my understanding.
but in some cases you know that some people are far more busy with worldly things than other Christians are. Some Christians in this world have 24/7 to study the word of God and pray and seek the Lord, while many other people are working overtime hours they have children to take care of and other people to be with and they go to countless things and Chapel Services and before you know it there's barely any hours at all left to study the word daily or to even pray or to mediate on god's words.
I've lived about half the life you have, but all of my life pretty much I have not had a job or gone to school but I've been spending my time seeking the Lord and praying and reading his word throughout all these years. I highly doubt you have spent the amount of years I've been reading the Bible even if you are saved 55 years and had a job I think you had family and I think you've been in school going to that stuff 8 hours a day at least, when we add up all the free time even the amount of half your life I think that you did not spend 12 hours a day focusing on these things. So we really can't put years ahead and just think because we've been saved longer that we know more than someone else does. For example, do you know how long Paul the Apostle even lived after he was saved? Not very long. And he was saved at a higher age than even me. And yet when you look at what he understood and what he knows he knows far much more than I do even though he was saved for Less years than I was. Plus many people can learn about the Lord in the truth before they're saved how else do you think we even come to believe in him? we have to have some kind of understanding. For those who are willing to give more time to the Lord who are seeking him much more will receive much more understanding. And for people who are setting their eyes on worldly things more often even if they are giving some time to God they will obviously learn less. And if people are wanting to just listen to other people and believe lies and not make room to accept the truth from God himself, those are people God's not going to waste so much time with if they're not going to believe the truth and rather they're going to listen to other preachers and such.
for the amount of years that you are saved doesn't mean you know more than a Christian who has been saved for a shorter time than you. just as I didn't grow up in school, and other kids did grow up in school, then we put our knowledge together and test who is smarter and I come out to be the one who is far smarter than them. It goes to prove that even all their years of studying doesn't always surpass my understanding.
but in some cases you know that some people are far more busy with worldly things than other Christians are. Some Christians in this world have 24/7 to study the word of God and pray and seek the Lord, while many other people are working overtime hours they have children to take care of and other people to be with and they go to countless things and Chapel Services and before you know it there's barely any hours at all left to study the word daily or to even pray or to mediate on god's words.
I've lived about half the life you have, but all of my life pretty much I have not had a job or gone to school but I've been spending my time seeking the Lord and praying and reading his word throughout all these years. I highly doubt you have spent the amount of years I've been reading the Bible even if you are saved 55 years and had a job I think you had family and I think you've been in school going to that stuff 8 hours a day at least, when we add up all the free time even the amount of half your life I think that you did not spend 12 hours a day focusing on these things. So we really can't put years ahead and just think because we've been saved longer that we know more than someone else does. For example, do you know how long Paul the Apostle even lived after he was saved? Not very long. And he was saved at a higher age than even me. And yet when you look at what he understood and what he knows he knows far much more than I do even though he was saved for Less years than I was. Plus many people can learn about the Lord in the truth before they're saved how else do you think we even come to believe in him? we have to have some kind of understanding. For those who are willing to give more time to the Lord who are seeking him much more will receive much more understanding. And for people who are setting their eyes on worldly things more often even if they are giving some time to God they will obviously learn less. And if people are wanting to just listen to other people and believe lies and not make room to accept the truth from God himself, those are people God's not going to waste so much time with if they're not going to believe the truth and rather they're going to listen to other preachers and such.
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Basically the whole book of 1st Corinthians chapter 14 talks about how tongues can be very useless if you don't understand what anyone is saying even if it is towards God. Just simply read that chapter of the book and you'll get what speaking tongues is for of any kind of tongue whether unknown or whether known. it is said far too Simply that anyone with common sense should be able to understand this and not misunderstand such a simple talk. Paul gives so many simple examples to give understanding why we shouldn't speak tongues if we're not prophesying, translating or making sense and just speaking into thin with no purpose. That is what these unknown tongues you see do. What you've been teaching would contradict this entire chapter on tongues.
I think your a nice person. I'm not saying all this to fight with you, but I tell you because I want everyone to understand the truth Our Lord. What would I gain if you even believed me? Nothing. What you believe only changed things between you and the Lord. I say this because I'm concerned about people following the Lord in truth. But after all the Lord showed me when I was seeking to understand the unknown tongue, he showed me it wasn't what you say it is. If I am to call what I believe wrong and believe you, then I have to admit and believe God lied to me and didn't show me the truth.
How can i ever believe he is wrong?
How can i ever believe he is wrong?