Where I am from, the majority of church members at the Church of Christ are what we call good ole boys. Another term for southerners. I am a good ole boy, but the members of the local COC are people who if in the backwoods, would be snake handlers. Awesome people and I've fellow-shipped with them hundreds of times. But in my neck of the woods, these people are as rebel as it gets lol
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Where I am from, the majority of church members at the Church of Christ are what we call good ole boys. Another term for southerners. I am a good ole boy, but the members of the local COC are people who if in the backwoods, would be snake handlers. Awesome people and I've fellow-shipped with them hundreds of times. But in my neck of the woods, these people are as rebel as it gets lol
When one Christian stands in judgement of another Christian, even though we are told not to do this, it is time to beware and walk away.
I am judged by many on this site of not believing that God saves through our faith, but believe that we must do perfect work for God for salvation and this accusation is based on my quoting Genesis 2:3.
I just learned that the word baptize comes from a Greek word dyers use for the dye bath cloth is put in. The cloth comes out changed much as we are changed when we are baptized.
God gave us the wonders of the Sabbaths, baptism, and Christ's blessed forgiveness. Don't let men introduce fear of these.
Ok.
www.ucc.org/about-us_what-we-believe
"We believe in God, the eternal Spirit, Father of our Lord Jesus Christ...."
"In Jesus Christ, the man of Nazareth, our crucified and risen Lord...."
"We believe in the Triune God...."
"We believe that all people of faith are invited to join Christ at Christ's table for the sacrement of communion...it is a great mystery; we claim it by faith"
Again, a lot of churches have different views of Baptism. A lot of churches emphasize works as necessary for your salvation along with faith.
Quantrill
Yes water baptism is concern with the the priesthood after the new order of Melchizedek. Not all believers become member of the priesthood.
Water baptism which can follows hours, days, weeks, years later, is a picture of the inward hope of a new confidence you could say built on the growing confidence according to Philippian 1:6 The author and finsher or Alpha and Omega of our new born again faith
I would offer again baptism gets its roots in an old testament foundation. Certain members of the tribe of Levi were set aside to represent a kingdom of priest as ambassadors for Christ . The promised new manner of priesthood after Melchizedek and not tribe Levi as in tribe had come
The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.Psalm 110:4
Psalm 104;4 would seem to be the kind of conversation spoken of between the believing Jew and those who have no faith that comes by hearing the word of God. Like, Why would a Levite like John the Baptist baptize a man from the tribe of Judah, Jesus. And now this man from Judah is ceremonially officiating those who have a desire to be a member of the kingdom of priest after the order of Melchizedek which I think represents Christianity.
The question had do with ceremonial purifying (non effectual) and not the actual purifying work of the water of the word. The unseen work of God.
Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying. And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.
John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven. Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him. He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. He must increase, but I must decrease.John 6:25-30
The time of reformation had come the temporal time of kings used in Israel had served its purpose as a shadow of those who reject God as king reigning form heaven . The unbelieving elders gathered themselves together because of the jealousy of the surrounding Pagan nations. Ending kings in Israel because the new order of priesthood after Melchizedek had come
The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath. He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries. He shall drink of the brook in the way: therefore shall he lift up the head.Psalm 110:5-7
The Jewish Mikfa is not in issue here. Christian baptism is. Jewish IS NOT EQUAL to Christian. Nor, is John's baptism which was Jewish, not Christian.
You didn't answer my simple question . . . you sidestepped the whole issue. You inferred that faith PLUS water baptism is a requirement for salvation.
God is not a man as us. I think the literal flesh and blood of the Son of man Jesus as he informs us in John 6 profits for nothing, zero .
Its was used as a metaphor in a one time outward demonstration of Him pouring out His Spirit... which did profit.
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I really think we need new classifications under names
the following would probably work quite well:
Heretic
Loonatic
Unsaved
Cult Member
Stupid
Wanton Liar
Devil
Possessed
Influenced by Demons
Infant
and so on
the following would probably work quite well:
Heretic
Loonatic
Unsaved
Cult Member
Stupid
Wanton Liar
Devil
Possessed
Influenced by Demons
Infant
and so on
Jesus is the God-Man and throughout the Bible the Blood is quintessential for salvation. You are a false teacher.
You can't possibly even be a 'real' Calvinist.
I really think we need new classifications under names
the following would probably work quite well:
Heretic
Loonatic
Unsaved
Cult Member
Stupid
Wanton Liar
Devil
Possessed
Influenced by Demons
Infant
and so on
Thankfully the well-grounded Bible-believers can recognize the doctrines of devils. I fear for the unsaved that come here searching for answers and are reading their responses as Gospel truth. In this regard the moderators have to give an account to God for their laxity in protecting them from error.
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7seasrekeyed
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7seasrekeyed
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no
you want the moderators to give an account to you
the forum is provided. YOU are responsible for what you post along with every other person here
plenty of people have been banned over the time I have been here...which is longer than it appears since I left and came back...it's a couple of yrs actually
what you are really saying, is that unless they agree with your judgement, they have to answer to God
that is basically the foundation for most arguments here
over and out
Water at the most can get a person wet.
I addressed the question as I see it asked in John 3:25 .It had to do with a old testament ceremonial law or shadow used to represent ones desire when a new priest would enter his ministry as did the Son of man. This was before he was sent out in the wilderness to prove he was the scapegoat. It is the foundation of baptism. It does not of a new testament foundation.
Only valid if performed by a Campbellite preacher. What makes his flesh any different than a Baptist preacher?
The question in John 3:25 was baptism and purification. That's all. No mention of priesthood anywhere.
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UnderGrace
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It is simple ....but some denominations add in baptism in water as part of/necessary for salvation.
And a whole lot of other things as well. Tragically. Intimidation and exploitation being the objective of course.
This post disagrees with scripture. Scripture is Christian and it tells of a special race chosen by God to experience, and through that experience, show God's ways to a world that otherwise did not know God. That race has not accepted that Christ is the Messiah, and we are told that God arranged this also with the gentiles in mind. We are not to have the attitude oward them that this post ;preaches.
Baptism is simply a physical act God gave us that is used when we change from a person who runs their own life in a temporal way to one who puts their life under God. It is a washing away of the old life without Christ, letting Christ forgive and wash away all our sins in the water that symbolizes all this cleaning. We become a new person, with Christ within us, so we see the world in a different way--the way of Christ.
There is no Jew/gentile in it, man's ideas don't touch it, it is simple and of God.
God used the Jewish race, but in God's eyes we are humans God created and loves.
This is pretty much an open forum in which you have the whole spectrum of religious beliefs. Every person who comes here must make it their first priority to study the Scriptures for themselves, and if they are newly saved or babes in Christ, seek out sound mature Christians to disciple and teach them on a face-to-face basis.
Christian forums are generally full of false doctrines along with the truth.
It is perfectly true that Christian baptism is neither Jewish mikvah/mikveh nor the same as the baptism administered by John the Baptizer (the Baptist).
Christian baptism is NOT ritual purification, neither does it produce regeneration or the washing of the soul. However it is a regenerated person's testimony to the internal purification which only God can do.
But we have digressed from the OP and this thread is another example of total digression from the number of times Moses was meeting with God on Mt Sinai. It was exactly seven times, and seven is the number of divine perfection.