Hardshell & Primitive Baptist "Conditional Time Salvation" Warning
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The above is false and you know this to be true.
I've given you the answer showing how you failed to implement the context of Ephesians 1 eternal salvation into its other texts in other threads. All false conclusions due this, they refuse to use context, and this is exactly what you are doing.
The failure here is that you cannot prove CTS biblically and contextually in the context of Gospel preaching.
I'll be waiting for you to do this, but I'm begging the question because you simply cannot, but please try and end the game of we have to prove you wrong when you've yet to prove CTS whatsoever. You're being coy, but in ignorance.
I've given you the answer showing how you failed to implement the context of Ephesians 1 eternal salvation into its other texts in other threads. All false conclusions due this, they refuse to use context, and this is exactly what you are doing.
The failure here is that you cannot prove CTS biblically and contextually in the context of Gospel preaching.
I'll be waiting for you to do this, but I'm begging the question because you simply cannot, but please try and end the game of we have to prove you wrong when you've yet to prove CTS whatsoever. You're being coy, but in ignorance.
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Yes, I won't answer the question until the question given from me that had been skipped over is answered.
There is probably a general courtesy there somewhere that should be followed.
But your above is only stated to malign.
Answer to your above? No child of God goes to hell.
Now answer my questions.
There is probably a general courtesy there somewhere that should be followed.
But your above is only stated to malign.
Answer to your above? No child of God goes to hell.
Now answer my questions.
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Here is the PB take(s) on the preaching of the Gospel as per Matthew 28:19ff:
1) They are to preach the good news to those already born from above. Every creature is then those already granted eternal life i.e. creature = all NEW creatures in Christ.
2) The commission was only for the apostles then, but not for us, and has already been fulfilled, or has come to pass.
3) Or, we're under the commission, and do preach it. (But this is not the same Gospel).
4) Some mock and ask if were to also preach to cows, cats, dogs. A mocking that then it is only to new creations ALREADY in Christ.
1) They are to preach the good news to those already born from above. Every creature is then those already granted eternal life i.e. creature = all NEW creatures in Christ.
2) The commission was only for the apostles then, but not for us, and has already been fulfilled, or has come to pass.
3) Or, we're under the commission, and do preach it. (But this is not the same Gospel).
4) Some mock and ask if were to also preach to cows, cats, dogs. A mocking that then it is only to new creations ALREADY in Christ.
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11-13 Later, when Peter came to Antioch, I had a face-to-face confrontation with him because he was clearly out of line. Here’s the situation. Earlier, before certain persons had come from James, Peter regularly ate with the non-Jews. But when that conservative group came from Jerusalem, he cautiously pulled back and put as much distance as he could manage between himself and his non-Jewish friends. That’s how fearful he was of the conservative Jewish clique that’s been pushing the old system of circumcision. Unfortunately, the rest of the Jews in the Antioch church joined in that hypocrisy so that even Barnabas was swept along in the charade.
14 But when I saw that they were not maintaining a steady, straight course according to the Message, I spoke up to Peter in front of them all: “If you, a Jew, live like a non-Jew when you’re not being observed by the watchdogs from Jerusalem, what right do you have to require non-Jews to conform to Jewish customs just to make a favorable impression on your old Jerusalem cronies?”(Galatians 2)
He met with Peter and James, the Lord’s Brother, that I know of.
14 But when I saw that they were not maintaining a steady, straight course according to the Message, I spoke up to Peter in front of them all: “If you, a Jew, live like a non-Jew when you’re not being observed by the watchdogs from Jerusalem, what right do you have to require non-Jews to conform to Jewish customs just to make a favorable impression on your old Jerusalem cronies?”(Galatians 2)
He met with Peter and James, the Lord’s Brother, that I know of.
Hmmm. Paul didn't consult the other Apostles you say ...
Acts 15 New King James Version (NKJV)
Conflict over Circumcision
15 And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 Therefore, when Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and dispute with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas and certain others of them should go up to Jerusalem, to the apostles and elders, about this question.
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Lets take the early american Indians before anyone came over to teach them spiritual things. From the history that we have of them, we see that they worshiped a higher being and believed that when they die they will go to a happy hunting ground. These beliefs are evidence that God had regenerated them and put his Spirit within them because the natural man, void of the Spirit cannot understand spiritual things. God secured his elect by his Son's death on the cross. All of God's elect were eternally saved, in covenant, on the cross. Those souls that were saved on the cross will be the only eternally saved souls. Sometime during their life here on earth God will regenerate them, as he did the elect of the native Americans. Accepting Jesus, repenting, confessing and such like is not the cause of your eternal salvation because it would not be by God's grace, but the works of man as you believe.
Oy vey.
I have never heard a calvinist (you know the real ones, not the fake hyper-calvinist ones) say that their faith or repentance saved them. You got the cart before the horse bro
Last time I checked, the reformed teaching is: God regenerates you, then BAM you understand spiritual things, like the gospel and He grants you faith and repentance. THEREFORE its not works because He grants it to you.
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I have never heard a calvinist (you know the real ones, not the fake hyper-calvinist ones) say that their faith or repentance saved them. You got the cart before the horse bro
Last time I checked, the reformed teaching is: God regenerates you, then BAM you understand spiritual things, like the gospel and He grants you faith and repentance. THEREFORE its not works because He grants it to you.
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How wonderful! Yet there are other cultures who have the same belief, but this doesn't equate to repentance unto life or regeneration.
You are saying it is evidence, but, they had never heard the Gospel therefore you do err.
Nope, sorry, this is evidence that they had a god whom they served just like other cultures. There is no place in Scripture wherein man was saved without believing, and concisely believing in the salvation wrought by Christ specifically or the God of Scripture.
Let's take your false gospel even further, those who believe in nirvana, and that they will go there are regenerate. Therefore Hindu's and Buddhist's are regenerate (even though most Buddhist's don't even believe in God or a god). Furthermore, all people who believe they are going to a better place are regenerate, all according to your false gospel, of course.
Of course, but the glaring problem is you determining who the elect are.
Yet were under wrath, and God granted them that eternal life in time, not prior. Ephesians 2:3.
That's a given, and those should know this via the Gospel, and we don't know who they are via mysticism and claiming people groups or cultures regenerate.
There you go again, declaring a pagan group elect, without Christ, without the Gospel.
Nope, sorry you would be incorrect still and full of assumptions. As I've stated numerous times on here, and as some can attest, those things don't clinch salvation, but are evidence of conversion, a conversion that takes place in time that is eternal salvation. Therefore this is not "as believe."
I'll end with this: Paul preached the Gospel, relentlessly, 2 Timothy 2:8-10. Why? So the elect would be saved, because it is apparent they were not already saved or regenerate until they heard the Gospel.
You are saying it is evidence, but, they had never heard the Gospel therefore you do err.
Nope, sorry, this is evidence that they had a god whom they served just like other cultures. There is no place in Scripture wherein man was saved without believing, and concisely believing in the salvation wrought by Christ specifically or the God of Scripture.
Let's take your false gospel even further, those who believe in nirvana, and that they will go there are regenerate. Therefore Hindu's and Buddhist's are regenerate (even though most Buddhist's don't even believe in God or a god). Furthermore, all people who believe they are going to a better place are regenerate, all according to your false gospel, of course.
Of course, but the glaring problem is you determining who the elect are.
Yet were under wrath, and God granted them that eternal life in time, not prior. Ephesians 2:3.
That's a given, and those should know this via the Gospel, and we don't know who they are via mysticism and claiming people groups or cultures regenerate.
There you go again, declaring a pagan group elect, without Christ, without the Gospel.
Nope, sorry you would be incorrect still and full of assumptions. As I've stated numerous times on here, and as some can attest, those things don't clinch salvation, but are evidence of conversion, a conversion that takes place in time that is eternal salvation. Therefore this is not "as believe."
I'll end with this: Paul preached the Gospel, relentlessly, 2 Timothy 2:8-10. Why? So the elect would be saved, because it is apparent they were not already saved or regenerate until they heard the Gospel.
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