Is Universalsim in Opposition to the Bible?
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the tools we have today dont seem to be working. we are more divided than ever and our biggest churches are the most corrupt.
i think the the church was stronger before they started all these creeds, rules and doctrines. i also dont think people needed everything written down back then. i have more trust in a wisdom keeper than a scribe.
i think the the church was stronger before they started all these creeds, rules and doctrines. i also dont think people needed everything written down back then. i have more trust in a wisdom keeper than a scribe.
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I think it is because human ego thinks to coral God as something they can define in human words. And make a property of a cleverly worded denominational ideology.
Jesus is the rock upon which the church of God's grace was built. What he told the elders of the temple when they thought to take him to task for his teaching the Father's grace and eternal salvation message was that the religion of men was corrupt. He did not come to earth to create a different religion. Jesus, God with us, came to bring a relationship to the faithful in whom his holy spirit would dwell in those whom he had always known before the foundation of the world.
The foundation of churches constructed by men shall fall. We're told God does not inhabit structures built by human hands. We know he does inhabit the living temple of the believe who is in Christ.
Therein lives the difference.
Jesus is the rock upon which the church of God's grace was built. What he told the elders of the temple when they thought to take him to task for his teaching the Father's grace and eternal salvation message was that the religion of men was corrupt. He did not come to earth to create a different religion. Jesus, God with us, came to bring a relationship to the faithful in whom his holy spirit would dwell in those whom he had always known before the foundation of the world.
The foundation of churches constructed by men shall fall. We're told God does not inhabit structures built by human hands. We know he does inhabit the living temple of the believe who is in Christ.
Therein lives the difference.
Why? You'd not accept it.
Do you know the history of the Nicene creed?
Many churches use it to start their service and from memory. So what.
All the Jews gathered thought themselves righteous when calling for the death of Jesus and the release of Barabbas. Were they right? Jesus was a Heretic! By definition. The temple elders wanted him dead as a blasphemer, and wanted Rome to believe he was a seditionist.
Were they right?
Me thinks you repeat the Nicene creed and know not from whence it sprang.
Do you know the history of the Nicene creed?
Many churches use it to start their service and from memory. So what.
All the Jews gathered thought themselves righteous when calling for the death of Jesus and the release of Barabbas. Were they right? Jesus was a Heretic! By definition. The temple elders wanted him dead as a blasphemer, and wanted Rome to believe he was a seditionist.
Were they right?
Me thinks you repeat the Nicene creed and know not from whence it sprang.
At this present time, to be saved in the here and now, yes "People need to accept the Atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved".
In the past, before the gospel was presented, that's another question.
And I would add, that in the same way, God may have his own at the present time
that have a saving relationship with him, who have never heard the gospel.
However, this is only a theory. There is not much to base it on, other than
the principle that applies to the Patriarchs. Perhaps they will receive
in the same way they did. How did they from your perspective?
Could I get an acknowledgement from you on that?
In the past, before the gospel was presented, that's another question.
And I would add, that in the same way, God may have his own at the present time
that have a saving relationship with him, who have never heard the gospel.
However, this is only a theory. There is not much to base it on, other than
the principle that applies to the Patriarchs. Perhaps they will receive
in the same way they did. How did they from your perspective?
Could I get an acknowledgement from you on that?
No.
You don't have to accept the Biblical evidence.
This hopefully will help members who are distracted by the invocation of the term, "new age", so as to dismiss sound Biblical evidence concerning Soteriology or any faith studies topic.
The "new age" began as far as the people of Christ are concerned the moment our Lord and Savior drew his last breath on the cross and said, "It is finished".
You don't have to accept the Biblical evidence.
This hopefully will help members who are distracted by the invocation of the term, "new age", so as to dismiss sound Biblical evidence concerning Soteriology or any faith studies topic.
The "new age" began as far as the people of Christ are concerned the moment our Lord and Savior drew his last breath on the cross and said, "It is finished".
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