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You lost thinking you were taking a higher road the very second you threatened me. Any sock no matter who wears it is deplorable when they pose as an enforcer AND an agitator. We see u.
Every Christian alive defends the truth of scripture from Devil's that would corrupt it. It's a law! Not a warning.
You quote Isaiah as something that will happen in the future???
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Did the Lord fail? Did He not fulfill the prophets?? If they are fulfilled are they still future??
I wonder if you understand the implications of your FALSE theology?
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Did the Lord fail? Did He not fulfill the prophets?? If they are fulfilled are they still future??
I wonder if you understand the implications of your FALSE theology?
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There are many in this thread that manufacture a false theology that intentionally contradicts the Bible. I would suggest if they believed those scriptures that forewarn what such intentions will reap for the false teacher they'd not dare to commit. That they do however can tell us they don't care because they don't believe they'll suffer anything at all.
If people believe God's word do they dismantle it to say what they want it to say instead?
If people believe God's word do they dismantle it to say what they want it to say instead?
The words 'will come' certainly pertain to the future. Each word in the bible is recorded for a specific reason. There is no indication whatsoever in recorded history that states that all of mankind has bowed down to the Lord so it stands to reason that this is a future event and the same is true for observing Sabbaths and new moons. Yeah, I don't understand it either or its implications but certainly believe that what is stated in the Word of God to be truth and will certainly come to pass. This is not my false theology but only stating a verse from the bible in support of the position of JesusLives regarding the Sabbath. The theology of this is originates from the bible, often the problem with theology is our understanding and not the underlining pertinent scriptural references.
This may really upset the Anti-Sabbath proponents.
Verse By Verse Commentary - Studylight
"And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from sabbath to sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me," says the LORD.
.....And from one Sabbath to another - (Compare the notes at Isaiah 58:13-14). There can be no permanent worship of God, and no permanent religion on earth, without a Sabbath; and hence it was, that while the observance of the feasts of tabernacles, and of the Passover, and of the new moons, made a part of the ceremonial law, the law respecting the sabbaths was incorporated with the ten commandments as of moral and perpetual obligation; and it will be literally true that all the race shall yet be brought to worship God on the return of that holy day. It was instituted in paradise; and as one design of the plan of redemption is to bring man back to the state in which he was in paradise, so one effect of the true religion everywhere will be, and is, to make people reverence the Sabbath of the Lord. No man becomes truly pious who does not love the holy Sabbath. No nation ever has been, or ever can be converted which will not, and which does not, love and observe that day. Every successful effort to propagate the true religion is a successful effort to extend the practice of observing it; and just as certain as it is that Christianity will be spread around the world, so certain will it be that the Sabbath will be observed in all lands. The period is, therefore, yet to arrive when the delightful spectacle will be presented of all the nations of the earth bowing on the return of that day before the living God. The plans of this life will be suspended; toil and care will be laid aside; and the sun, as he rolls around the world, will rouse nation after nation to the worship of the true God; and the peace and order and loveliness of the Christian Sabbath will spread over all the hills and vales of the world. Who that loves the race will not desire that such a period may soon come? Who can wonder that Isaiah should have fixed his eye in the close of his prophetic labors on a scene so full of loveliness, and so replete with honor to God, and with goodwill to people?
Shall all flesh - All the human family, all nations - a most unequivocal promise that the true religion shall yet prevail around the world.
Come to worship before me - That is, they shall assemble for the worship of God in their respective places of devotion.
Verse By Verse Commentary - Studylight
"And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from sabbath to sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me," says the LORD.
.....And from one Sabbath to another - (Compare the notes at Isaiah 58:13-14). There can be no permanent worship of God, and no permanent religion on earth, without a Sabbath; and hence it was, that while the observance of the feasts of tabernacles, and of the Passover, and of the new moons, made a part of the ceremonial law, the law respecting the sabbaths was incorporated with the ten commandments as of moral and perpetual obligation; and it will be literally true that all the race shall yet be brought to worship God on the return of that holy day. It was instituted in paradise; and as one design of the plan of redemption is to bring man back to the state in which he was in paradise, so one effect of the true religion everywhere will be, and is, to make people reverence the Sabbath of the Lord. No man becomes truly pious who does not love the holy Sabbath. No nation ever has been, or ever can be converted which will not, and which does not, love and observe that day. Every successful effort to propagate the true religion is a successful effort to extend the practice of observing it; and just as certain as it is that Christianity will be spread around the world, so certain will it be that the Sabbath will be observed in all lands. The period is, therefore, yet to arrive when the delightful spectacle will be presented of all the nations of the earth bowing on the return of that day before the living God. The plans of this life will be suspended; toil and care will be laid aside; and the sun, as he rolls around the world, will rouse nation after nation to the worship of the true God; and the peace and order and loveliness of the Christian Sabbath will spread over all the hills and vales of the world. Who that loves the race will not desire that such a period may soon come? Who can wonder that Isaiah should have fixed his eye in the close of his prophetic labors on a scene so full of loveliness, and so replete with honor to God, and with goodwill to people?
Shall all flesh - All the human family, all nations - a most unequivocal promise that the true religion shall yet prevail around the world.
Come to worship before me - That is, they shall assemble for the worship of God in their respective places of devotion.
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You didn't fairly include all that scripture.
The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Verse 17 Commentary: It is worthy of observation, that the (Hebrew word) word גמר gamar, among the rabbins, signifies not only to fulfill, but also to teach; and, consequently, we may infer that our Lord intimated, that the law and the prophets were still to be taught or inculcated by him and his disciples; and this he and they have done in the most pointed manner.
In the Greek the word for "Fulfill" in verse 17 is, πληρόω (plēroō)
Strong: G4137
GK: G4444
pluperf., πεπληρώκει (3 sg), to fill, make full, fill up, Mt. 13:48; 23:32; Lk. 3:5; to fill up a deficiency, Phil. 4:18, 19; to pervade, Jn. 12:3; Acts 2:2; to pervade with an influence, to influence fully, possess fully, Jn. 16:6; Acts 2:28; 5:3; Rom. 1:29; Eph. 5:18; to complete, perfect, Jn. 3:29; Eph. 3:19; to bring to an end, Lk. 7:1; to perform fully, discharge, Mt. 3:15; Acts 12:25; 13:25; 14:26; Rom. 13:8; Col. 4:17; to consummate, Mt. 5:17; to realize, accomplish, fulfil, Lk. 1:20; 9:31; Acts 3:18; 13:27; from the Hebrew; to set forth fully, Rom. 15:19; Col. 1:25; pass. of time, to be fulfilled, come to an end, be fully arrived, Mk. 1:15; Lk. 21:24; Jn. 7:8; of prophecy, to receive fulfillment, Mt. 1:22, et al. freq.
Heaven and earth are still here.
What is often missed by those that seek to convince Christians the ten commandments no longer matter and as pertains to Matthew 5 is that Jesus refers to them in that sermon.
The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Verse 17 Commentary: It is worthy of observation, that the (Hebrew word) word גמר gamar, among the rabbins, signifies not only to fulfill, but also to teach; and, consequently, we may infer that our Lord intimated, that the law and the prophets were still to be taught or inculcated by him and his disciples; and this he and they have done in the most pointed manner.
In the Greek the word for "Fulfill" in verse 17 is, πληρόω (plēroō)
Strong: G4137
GK: G4444
pluperf., πεπληρώκει (3 sg), to fill, make full, fill up, Mt. 13:48; 23:32; Lk. 3:5; to fill up a deficiency, Phil. 4:18, 19; to pervade, Jn. 12:3; Acts 2:2; to pervade with an influence, to influence fully, possess fully, Jn. 16:6; Acts 2:28; 5:3; Rom. 1:29; Eph. 5:18; to complete, perfect, Jn. 3:29; Eph. 3:19; to bring to an end, Lk. 7:1; to perform fully, discharge, Mt. 3:15; Acts 12:25; 13:25; 14:26; Rom. 13:8; Col. 4:17; to consummate, Mt. 5:17; to realize, accomplish, fulfil, Lk. 1:20; 9:31; Acts 3:18; 13:27; from the Hebrew; to set forth fully, Rom. 15:19; Col. 1:25; pass. of time, to be fulfilled, come to an end, be fully arrived, Mk. 1:15; Lk. 21:24; Jn. 7:8; of prophecy, to receive fulfillment, Mt. 1:22, et al. freq.
Heaven and earth are still here.
What is often missed by those that seek to convince Christians the ten commandments no longer matter and as pertains to Matthew 5 is that Jesus refers to them in that sermon.
You lost thinking you were taking a higher road the very second you threatened me.Any sock no matter who wears it is deplorable when they pose as an enforcer AND an agitator. We see u.
Every Christian alive defends the truth of scripture from Devil's that would corrupt it. It's a law! Not a warning.
next new moon is Dec 7
what must i do?
do i need to take the day off work? do i need to eat a special food? do i need to go to a church that day? am i allowed to cook a meal or buy gasoline or anything? do i need a shofar to blow? am i supposed to throw a party? do i go outside and look at sky? is there a special prayer?
it is officially at like 1am so should i observe holy day on 6th or 7th? big trouble if you worship on wrong day!! right?
you say that verse tells us new moon festival must be kept forever by all people or it is sin, right?
we know enough about sabbath. more talk about it is useless while there is new moon festival none of us know anything about and we are standing condemned month after month ignoring it.
can you do something to help save us from wrath?
((or are you wrong about implications of this? or is it too late?))
thanks
what must i do?
do i need to take the day off work? do i need to eat a special food? do i need to go to a church that day? am i allowed to cook a meal or buy gasoline or anything? do i need a shofar to blow? am i supposed to throw a party? do i go outside and look at sky? is there a special prayer?
it is officially at like 1am so should i observe holy day on 6th or 7th? big trouble if you worship on wrong day!! right?
you say that verse tells us new moon festival must be kept forever by all people or it is sin, right?
we know enough about sabbath. more talk about it is useless while there is new moon festival none of us know anything about and we are standing condemned month after month ignoring it.
can you do something to help save us from wrath?
((or are you wrong about implications of this? or is it too late?))
thanks
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Even though I was a Catholic I attended an SDA Revelation seminar in the early 90's. Most of it was about bashing the Catholic Church. My wife is an SDA and I have attended many Saturday services with her but not in the last couple years due to conflicting work conflict. For the most part it is very much a bible believing church but they also stress other things such as diet that I don't fully agree with. I believe that they are correct about the Sabbath though even though most people have a hard time adhering to it in the 24/7365 work place. I am not too sure about the tithing but the church I attend does not really stress that very much. My wife definitely believes in tithing while I believe that we should be good stewards of the blessings of God. I guess that essentially we believe in the same thing.
i know because it is what God revealed to me. Are you saying if God revealed something to you, then you do NOT KNOW it?
If you think it is COMMANDED then reveal where Jesus or any Apostle ever instructed those under the New Covenant to continue to obey the LAW that was given to the Israelites under the Old Covenant.
Amen, because Mary was under the Old Covenant at the time she prepared His body. When Jesus rose from the dead is when the New Covenant began.
What Jesus said and what you assume are two entirely different things. Jesus said that Great Tribulation would come on a Sabbath, this is in no way shape or form teaching us Christians to keep the Sabbath as you are assuming in your thinking. What? Just because we are not Commanded to observe the Sabbath does not mean the Sabbath ceases to exist. i have kept the Sabbath for over 10 years now. Just because we are no longer obligated, or commanded to keep the Sabbath does not mean the Sabbath ceases to exist. What i plainly and clearly teach is that it would be good if everyone would keep the Sabbath, BUT it is NOT COMMANDED for Christians to do. It would be good if everyone would feed and clothes the Homeless, BUT it is NOT COMMANDED for Christians to do.
If then someone does not keep the Sabbath, they sin not. Those who teach. if you don't keep the Sabbath, they commit sin, in fact commit sin themselves, for teaching false doctrines. Jesus, nor any Apostle ever, not once instructed us Christians to continue to keep the Law of observing the Sabbath. Those who teach we MUST keep the Sabbath, are teaching things that Jesus did not teach, nor any of His Apostles, even as the Pharisees taught things that was not written in the Word of God too, such as washing of pots and pans and washing of ones hands and many other things they taught you MUST do, yet the Word of God did not teach such things. Those who teach us Christians that you MUST keep the Sabbath are no different than the Pharisees.
Many more verses that you privately interpret to mean we are to continue to keep the Sabbath is what you mean isn't it? You say keeping the Sabbath is a blessing, a gift, and it pleases the Almighty. Know you not that keeping the Sabbath was the LAW. Under the Old Covenant, it was a LAW, a commandment to be followed or you were put to death, it was not a choice for them to follow, but a Commandment to obey. You do error to think we Christians under a new covenant are under this same LAW.
People hearken unto me, If you choose to keep the Sabbath Holy unto the Lord, well. If you choose not to keep the Sabbath Holy unto the Lord, you commit no sin. Do not let it bother you if people judge you because you keep the Sabbath or don't keep the Sabbath, for with what measure they judge you, they will be judged by that same measure.
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DiscipleDave
If you think it is COMMANDED then reveal where Jesus or any Apostle ever instructed those under the New Covenant to continue to obey the LAW that was given to the Israelites under the Old Covenant.
Amen, because Mary was under the Old Covenant at the time she prepared His body. When Jesus rose from the dead is when the New Covenant began.
What Jesus said and what you assume are two entirely different things. Jesus said that Great Tribulation would come on a Sabbath, this is in no way shape or form teaching us Christians to keep the Sabbath as you are assuming in your thinking. What? Just because we are not Commanded to observe the Sabbath does not mean the Sabbath ceases to exist. i have kept the Sabbath for over 10 years now. Just because we are no longer obligated, or commanded to keep the Sabbath does not mean the Sabbath ceases to exist. What i plainly and clearly teach is that it would be good if everyone would keep the Sabbath, BUT it is NOT COMMANDED for Christians to do. It would be good if everyone would feed and clothes the Homeless, BUT it is NOT COMMANDED for Christians to do.
If then someone does not keep the Sabbath, they sin not. Those who teach. if you don't keep the Sabbath, they commit sin, in fact commit sin themselves, for teaching false doctrines. Jesus, nor any Apostle ever, not once instructed us Christians to continue to keep the Law of observing the Sabbath. Those who teach we MUST keep the Sabbath, are teaching things that Jesus did not teach, nor any of His Apostles, even as the Pharisees taught things that was not written in the Word of God too, such as washing of pots and pans and washing of ones hands and many other things they taught you MUST do, yet the Word of God did not teach such things. Those who teach us Christians that you MUST keep the Sabbath are no different than the Pharisees.
Many more verses that you privately interpret to mean we are to continue to keep the Sabbath is what you mean isn't it? You say keeping the Sabbath is a blessing, a gift, and it pleases the Almighty. Know you not that keeping the Sabbath was the LAW. Under the Old Covenant, it was a LAW, a commandment to be followed or you were put to death, it was not a choice for them to follow, but a Commandment to obey. You do error to think we Christians under a new covenant are under this same LAW.
People hearken unto me, If you choose to keep the Sabbath Holy unto the Lord, well. If you choose not to keep the Sabbath Holy unto the Lord, you commit no sin. Do not let it bother you if people judge you because you keep the Sabbath or don't keep the Sabbath, for with what measure they judge you, they will be judged by that same measure.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
i do not think you were wrong to point out that my posts are to long, that you were merely trying to help. i was not upset that you did so. What i wrote was merely responding why i write long posts. i don't care who reads them or who don't, what i care about is that i write all that the Holy Ghost puts on my heart to write, if that is a lot, then it is a lot, if that is little then it is little. Should i write 30 posts to say all that the Holy Ghost prompts me to write or one post? Isn't it easier to skip over one post then to skip over 30 posts? Therefore one long post is better than 30 short posts. i write as the Holy Ghost leads me to write, and apparently She has a lot to say.
Agreed, and i understand this. But i will not deny the Holy Ghost. Therefore i will write what i am led to write.
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DiscipleDave
Agreed, and i understand this. But i will not deny the Holy Ghost. Therefore i will write what i am led to write.
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DiscipleDave
i have no knowledge what you are talking about here. JesusLives asked me if i agreed with that Jesus would start the Sabbath again in the New Earth period, and that answer is Yes He will.
According to Zechariah 14 we will also observe the Feast of Tabernacles, We don't have to today, but we will in the days of the New Heaven and New Earth, when Jesus sets up His Kingdom on EARTH. Jesus during this time will also reestablish keeping the Sabbath. All that you say above, i know not how that is relevant to the topic of keeping the Sabbath during days of the New Earth.
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DiscipleDave
feast of booths. of tents. because the people lived in tents for a time after He redeemed them out of Egypt.
you sure we don't observe this now?
we weren't brought out of physical Egypt and dwelling in what men call tents.
will we have descendants ((generations)) in the resurrection, to remind of the truth by keeping this, lest they forget?
so that your generations may know that I had the sons of Israel live in booths when I brought them out from the land of Egypt
(Leviticus 23:43)
we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands
(2 Corinthians 5:1)
you sure we don't observe this now?
we weren't brought out of physical Egypt and dwelling in what men call tents.
will we have descendants ((generations)) in the resurrection, to remind of the truth by keeping this, lest they forget?
i'm sorry. were you not thinking of Isaiah 66:23 'from sabbath to sabbath, from new moon to new moon' ?
that's what most people point at, who say we will observe 7th days in heaven. were you talking about something else when you said 'sabbath' or were you talking about physical, ritual cessation of activity once weekly?
read that verse. if it says sabbath is observed in the resurrection then it says exactly the same about new moon.
so i really don't understand why someone who points at is as being so important for us to know this from, doesn't have any zeal for observing the new moon. nobody ever talks about new moon. ???
so maybe that's not you.
why do you think we'll observe sabbath in the resurrection? what verses are you thinking of?
you don't understand how time-keeping according to the sun and moon have anything to do with keeping sabbath in the resurrection? how Isaiah 60:19 is related to that topic? or are you joking?
okay. think about it. how do you measure days if Christ is your light.
that's what most people point at, who say we will observe 7th days in heaven. were you talking about something else when you said 'sabbath' or were you talking about physical, ritual cessation of activity once weekly?
read that verse. if it says sabbath is observed in the resurrection then it says exactly the same about new moon.
so i really don't understand why someone who points at is as being so important for us to know this from, doesn't have any zeal for observing the new moon. nobody ever talks about new moon. ???
so maybe that's not you.
why do you think we'll observe sabbath in the resurrection? what verses are you thinking of?
you don't understand how time-keeping according to the sun and moon have anything to do with keeping sabbath in the resurrection? how Isaiah 60:19 is related to that topic? or are you joking?
okay. think about it. how do you measure days if Christ is your light.
There will be no more night.
(Revelation 22:5)
We Christians under the new Covenant with Jesus Christ are not commanded to keep the Feast of Tabernacles, but one day when Jesus gets here and sets up His Kingdom on Earth, all nations of the Earth will be forced to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
So When Jesus gets here and sets up His Kingdom on Earth, He will force all those that are left behind (Not Raptured) to come up to the Holy City and worship Him, whether they want to or not, they will do it, or that country will get no rain. i am certain, the first year those nations will not come up to worship or partake in the Feast of Tabernacles, but the years after they will, because they know if they don't their crops will die and they will starve.
The Building from God is the Holy City Jerusalem that comes down out of Heaven to the Earth. Inside the Holy City is the Father and also inside the Holy City is Jesus, and also inside the Holy City is the Saints, us. When the Holy City comes down out of Heaven, to the Earth, then Heaven itself comes to the Earth and the Earth becomes a footstool to God. Where ever the Father is, Heaven follows. When the Holy City comes to the Earth, the Father will be in it, therefore Heaven on Earth will begin.
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DiscipleDave
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
So When Jesus gets here and sets up His Kingdom on Earth, He will force all those that are left behind (Not Raptured) to come up to the Holy City and worship Him, whether they want to or not, they will do it, or that country will get no rain. i am certain, the first year those nations will not come up to worship or partake in the Feast of Tabernacles, but the years after they will, because they know if they don't their crops will die and they will starve.
The Building from God is the Holy City Jerusalem that comes down out of Heaven to the Earth. Inside the Holy City is the Father and also inside the Holy City is Jesus, and also inside the Holy City is the Saints, us. When the Holy City comes down out of Heaven, to the Earth, then Heaven itself comes to the Earth and the Earth becomes a footstool to God. Where ever the Father is, Heaven follows. When the Holy City comes to the Earth, the Father will be in it, therefore Heaven on Earth will begin.
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DiscipleDave