Is Universalsim in Opposition to the Bible?

[eternally-gratefull]

According to the original authors of the Bible, the word forever does mean age-long. A temporary amount of time. Not always forever.

What is the point of being punished if you don't get let out in a few years? The whole purpose of punishment is to teach people to do better.

Salvation does not only take place in this life. The Bible says judgement comes after death, but that judgement is age-long, not forever. If Jesus is all-powerful, than he can save you anytime/anywhere. He can always pay for your sin.

Lol.. Your talking about chastening.
Hell is not punishment, It is a state of being, a final resting place. For all who have rejected Jesus in this lifetime.

Notice, Those who are adopted as sons are ressurected by Christ.

Those who reject him are delivered to him, and all suffer the second death.

It is not to help people do better , it is punishment for the crimes you commited.

A person who commits a crime and recieves a death penalty is put to death, that death is final

There is no return.

 

[Deade]

Do you think there could be any way that a compromise between the doctrine of universalism and the teachings of the Bible could exist?

Yes, we can assume a type of universalism. The main trouble with that is God is going to save everyone: not so. God is going to completely destroy Satan and all those that want to hang on to their evil ways (see Ezek. 28:18, 19).

What Christianity has missed is the Great White Throne Judgment and what God is actually doing there. Think of a judgment period like when ancient Israel was ruled by judges. God is not going to resurrect the rest of the dead (Re. 20:11-13) just to turn around and destroy them. Why wouldn't He just leave them dead? There is no place of torment in everlasting flames, God is not a sadist.

This post is no doubt will draw a lot of fire, but just study what is going on in the GWTJ period. Isaiah 65 from verse 17 on covers that time. Satan will also be released to do his dirty work on those committed to evil (Rev. 20:3f). That is why Jesus will have made the New Earth without seas to hold all those that died their first life.

 

[Locutus]

Some people read it under the new covenant, it certainly would not fit with the old covenant.

 

[Lafftur]

According to the original authors of the Bible, the word forever does mean age-long. A temporary amount of time. Not always forever.

What is the point of being punished if you don't get let out in a few years? The whole purpose of punishment is to teach people to do better.

Salvation does not only take place in this life. The Bible says judgement comes after death, but that judgement is age-long, not forever. If Jesus is all-powerful, than he can save you anytime/anywhere. He can always pay for your sin.

I believe it’s over at The Great White Throne of Judgement. In the Lake of Fire is the death of the unsaved soul.

Remember, we are not to fear man that can destroy the body, but rather fear God because He can destroy the soul.

 

[Deade]

Hello IsaiahX,

Let’s look at what we know:
- Jesus Christ is the ONLY WAY to the Father.
- We all need a Savior and Jesus is the Only Savior.
- After death is the judgment, however, it is not the Great White Throne judgement so, perhaps there is still a chance.....
- Jesus has the keys to Hades so He can lock people in or let them out...
- So, if I died and ended up in Hades, the ONLY WAY OUT and to the Father is still Jesus Christ and Him alone.
- Father Abraham cannot cross the great chasm nor anyone, but Jesus can!

So, my answer to your question is YES! I believe it is possible, BUT ONLY WITH JESUS and they have to call on His Name and receive His Blood for forgiveness of their sins and receive His Righteousness which is His Body - the Bread of Life.

You are right Lafftur. Jesus is the only door to salvation. During the GWTJ those that are deceived during this life, including many Christians, will know the true way to Christ. Satan will still pick off a few that are committed to evil like him. But they will seal their fate in the second death when Satan is anilliated.

Eze. 28:12 Son of man, raise a lamentation over the king of Tyre, and say to him, Thus says the Lord GOD: “You were the signet of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
Eze. 28:13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering, sardius, topaz, and diamond, beryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire, emerald, and carbuncle; and crafted in gold were your settings and your engravings. On the day that you were created they were prepared.
Eze. 28:14 You were an anointed guardian cherub. I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God; in the midst of the stones of fire you walked.
Eze. 28:15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created, till unrighteousness was found in you.
Eze. 28:16 In the abundance of your trade you were filled with violence in your midst, and you sinned; so I cast you as a profane thing from the mountain of God, and I destroyed you, O guardian cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze. 28:17 Your heart was proud because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor. I cast you to the ground; I exposed you before kings, to feast their eyes on you.
Eze. 28:18 By the multitude of your iniquities, in the unrighteousness of your trade you profaned your sanctuaries; so I brought fire out from your midst; it consumed you, and I turned you to ashes on the earth in the sight of all who saw you.
Eze. 28:19 All who know you among the peoples are appalled at you; you have come to a dreadful end and shall be no more forever."

 

[Lafftur]

Lol.. Your talking about chastening.
Hell is not punishment, It is a state of being, a final resting place. For all who have rejected Jesus in this lifetime.

Notice, Those who are adopted as sons are ressurected by Christ.

Those who reject him are delivered to him, and all suffer the second death.

It is not to help people do better , it is punishment for the crimes you commited.

A person who commits a crime and recieves a death penalty is put to death, that death is final

There is no return.

Unless they get a Governor’s Pardon which is what Jesus has done for us.

 

[jaybird88]

The belief that everyone will eventually be saved.

i thought it had to do with elements of truth in all cultures and beliefs.

it seems kind of strange that anyone would believe a satan worshiper would be directed to the heavens in the next life.

 

[jaybird88]

Ask Jesus, He said it.

this means you dont know what it means?

 

[jaybird88]

That promise only stands in this lifetime, Once you pass this lifetime, Your chance to call out is gone.

Hell is eternal. It is made for Satan and his angels.. All who reject christ in this lifetime will join him there, day and night forever. There will be weepeing and nashing of teeth.

before you said anyone that does not come to Jesus, now its anyone that rejects Jesus. so which is it? if you think both please explain how someone that never heard of Jesus rejects Jesus?

 

[Lafftur]

what is the doctrine of universalism?

The belief that everyone will eventually be saved.

It will be interesting what happens during the 1000 year of Christ on the Earth and Satan is bound in the bottomless pit.

What will be happening in Hades during the 1000 year reign since Satan is bound and the false prophet and anti-christ are in the Lake of Fire?

The false prophet and anti-Christ don’t even get a chance in Hades. They get immediately thrown into the Lake of Fire alive!

 

[Lafftur]

How can it apply to the afterlife. When after death comes judgment.

Who is going to deny Christ when you stand face to face?

yet the bible says, whoever is not written in the book of life. That death and hades who are delivered to christ. Are sent to a place of torment, and it is called the second death, of which their is no cure.

May I ask why you are fighting for universalism?

The Lake of Fire is the second death. There is no cure from the Lake of Fire. It appears to be final - the place where the soul is destroyed.

In Hades the soul is tormented but not destroyed.

 

[JaumeJ]

Do you think there could be any way that a compromise between the doctrine of universalism and the teachings of the Bible could exist?

YOu bring up a good point regarding all denominations that are not of the faith of Abraham. The Word, Jesus, is the truth, there is no compromising It.

 

[trofimus]

Do you think there could be any way that a compromise between the doctrine of universalism and the teachings of the Bible could exist?

In the meaning that no spirit will be lost, because it returns to God who gave it.

I am not sure how the defense of personalities (souls) being all saved can work with Scriptures however, because we have many verses saying that souls that sin will die.

On the other hand, quite a good case can be made for the final death instead of a continous torment in hell.

 

[Endoscopy]

Universalism is absolutely not arrording to the Bible. God/Jesus will judge everyone and only those saved by grace through faith in Jesus will be with him. The rest will be condemned.

 

[Sketch]

NO------
It is according to the Word or it is heresy.

What is heresy?

Wasn't Jesus considered to be a heretic to the religious leaders of his day?
And Martin Luther too.

Sometimes heresy is the right thing to do. And requires bravery.

 

[Sketch]

Ask Jesus, He said it.

Seriously?
You have no idea what that means? Wow.

"No one comes to the father but through me" - eternally-gratefull

No idea what that means.

 

[Sketch]

Do you think there could be any way that a compromise between the doctrine of universalism and the teachings of the Bible could exist?

This is an interesting question. Thanks for launching this topic.
I guess you knew you would come under heavy fire for such a "crime". lol

Ironically, there is no salvation in Universalism itself. However...

I forget the Pastor's name, but he was the leader of a mega-church that was asked about
the destiny of those who don't know Christ. He had a very thoughtful and disarming response.
He said that the surest way to salvation was through Jesus Christ. But beyond that, a person must
stand before the judgment of God to find out whether he will be merciful to them as an individual.
Ultimately it is God's choice.

This may be where any sort of "compromise" with Universalism might come in.
While we don't want to give anyone a false hope, we need to leave some room for the judgment of God.
What if a person born and raised in a jungle somewhere has a relationship with God on some level?
A person that uses their God-given conscience to do what is right and seeks God in the best way they can.
In this case they would be saved by their relationship with God, not through their works.
I wouldn't call this person a Universalist. There is no salvation in Universalism.

Universalism is a religion of unbelief. It stands against the one way.

 

[Sketch]

Do you think there could be any way that a compromise between the doctrine of universalism and the teachings of the Bible could exist?

So, to answer the topic title question: Is Universalsim in Opposition to the Bible?

Yes and no.

Yes, because doctrinally, Universalism is in opposition to the Bible.
The doctrines of Universalism are not Bible-based. They are in fact in opposition.
Universalism is a response to the claim that there is only one way.
It stands as a contrary position to the doctrine of the Bible. Universalism is a social gospel.
A warm, fuzzy, feel-good rebuttal to the Bible message.

No, because need to leave room for God's judgment.
Not that there is any value in Universalism. But there is value in the mercy and compassion of God.
And his ability to know each person completely and to judge accordingly.

Those who have taken the hardline approach to this, need to consider the words
of the third scripture at the bottom of this post. Same measure.

Romans 12:19
Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord.

Romans 14:4
Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

Matthew 7:2
For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

 

[preacher4truth]

Do you think there could be any way that a compromise between the doctrine of universalism and the teachings of the Bible could exist?

Not amazed that Deade would like such a post.

This is a huge problem today -- too many ready to compromise biblical truth for the sake of "love," "positivity" and "unity." Those who stand against this are construed as ugly, unloving, combative, negative. Exactly the way these were always perceived and treated in Scripture.

There is no compromising of truth for the sake of any heresy.

 

[preacher4truth]

Whenever the Bible says "forever" or "everlasting" the greek word aiónios is being translated. Strong's Greek defines this word as "age-long, eternal."

Interesting, so God isn't eternal or everlasting either. He's just been around for a long time.

Just applying your error consistently.