Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot

[eternally-gratefull]

You either believe the scriptures that I give you, or you do not. I am just quoting scriptures.

We believe them, Just not your interpretation.

You do not believe Jesus words in John 6, so you have no right to tell people they do nto believe the word..

 

[GraceAndTruth]

KJV Ephesians 1:4-11

4. According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5. Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6. To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7. In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
8. Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
9. Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10. That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
11. In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

amen......... for what do we have that God has not given to us........

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Elected to what??

 

[eternally-gratefull]

KJV Ephesians 1:4-11

4. According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5. Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6. To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7. In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
8. Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
9. Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10. That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
11. In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

amen......... for what do we have that God has not given to us........

And how did this happen?

Enter the narrow Gate

Believe in his son

Repent and believe

Call on the name of the lord

He who believes is not condemned

Just as moses lifted the serpent, so must the son of man be lifted that whoever believes

How do we come through this faith?

By Gods word, He who hears the word and believes in the one he sent.

Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

You either believe the scriptures that I give you, or you do not. I am just quoting scriptures.

I don't believe I had addressed that to you, so don't get so prickly

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If I say black is black will you say black is white?? That is what your messages have come down to.

Your problem is, Your saying the sky is grey when its blue. Your saying black is white when its black

Your blinded by what you have been taught,, and your fear of trusting God after he shows you the truth for fear you may earn something which you could never earn by trusting solely on anyone other than yourself in the first place.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Its funny when people get so worked up they start attacking each other..when they believe the same..lol

 

[GraceAndTruth]

SALVATION is not rescuing the perishing but the raising the dead

Deut. 30:6 the Lord will circumcise your heart that you may live
1 John 5 born of God, born of the Spirit, begotton of God
Ez 11:19 God takes stone heart and give a heart of flesh
Titus 3:5 Saved by the washing of regeneration, and the renewing of the Holy Spirit
Jer 24:7 And I will give them a heart to know Me…


KJV Ephesians 2:1-5
1. And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2. Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3. Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4. But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5. Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

 

[GraceAndTruth]

REGENERATION/Quickening

Making alive that which was dead

 

[eternally-gratefull]

SALVATION is not rescuing the perishing but the raising the dead

Deut. 30:6 the Lord will circumcise your heart that you may live
1 John 5 born of God, born of the Spirit, begotton of God
Ez 11:19 God takes stone heart and give a heart of flesh
Titus 3:5 Saved by the washing of regeneration, and the renewing of the Holy Spirit
Jer 24:7 And I will give them a heart to know Me…


KJV Ephesians 2:1-5
1. And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2. Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3. Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4. But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5. Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

Salvation is being brought from death to life, and being spared eternal judgement

It is called justtification

It is accomplished through faith (this is the will of God, that whoever sees and believes shall have eternal life, Regeneration (being made alive) is made possibly by grace through faith. Not before.

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

Its funny when people get so worked up they start attacking each other..when they believe the same..lol

Just gives me a reason to go pop some more corn!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

REGENERATION/Quickening

Making alive that which was dead

Yep

And one can not be made alive IN SIN, Sin must be redeemed first. That is called justification.

Justification MUST precede regeneration.

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

Yep

And one can not be made alive IN SIN, Sin must be redeemed first. That is called justification.

Justification MUST precede regeneration.

"Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints" (Jude 3).

 

[GraceAndTruth]

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; eph 2:1

dead - a corpse according to the Greek.
that is why one need to be quickened by God.........making alive that which was dead
Story of the raising of Lazarus is a picture of being raised from death to new life.

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; eph 2:1

dead - a corpse according to the Greek.
that is why one need to be quickened by God.........making alive that which was dead
Story of the raising of Lazarus is a picture of being raised from death to new life.

Sigh, let the dead bury the dead . . .

 

[GraceAndTruth]

the dead cannot raise themselves

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; eph 2:1

dead - a corpse according to the Greek.
that is why one need to be quickened by God.........making alive that which was dead
Story of the raising of Lazarus is a picture of being raised from death to new life.

One is made alive BECAUSE they believed.

They are MADE alive, because that which caused their death (sin) has been redeemed. E, they have been declaired innocent of all crimes, another term is the word justified.

Justification comes first.

Spiritual death is not like physical death. A spiritually dead person can still make decie=sions, a dead person can not.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

the dead cannot raise themselves

Nope thats why they have to be like the tax collector. And call out on the name of God to save them.

Which is exaclly what Gods will is, that whoever sees and believes will be given eternal life (regenerated)

Eternal life is not a key word, it is not a religious term. it is a state of possition, A person is made alive, that life is said to be eternal..

 

[GraceAndTruth]

FOR BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED THROUGH FAITH; AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES, IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD; not as a result of works, that no one should boast, for we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works which God prepared BEFOREHAND that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2: 8-10

says right there........faith is a gift from God

Deut. 30:6 the Lord will circumcise your heart that you may live
1 John 5 born of God, born of the Spirit, begotton of God
Ez 11:19 God takes stone heart and give a heart of flesh
Titus 3:5 Saved by the washing of regeneration, and the renewing of the Holy Spirit
Jer 24:7 And I will give them a heart to know Me…

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

"But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead" (II Corinthians 1:9).

Wow, looks like free will and free choice here. Why would a so-called elect person trust in himself? I guess we were dead in our sins, so we need to trust in the living God!

I just love blowing Calvinism out of the water!