WRONG.
SALVATION is a FREE GIFT FROM GOD the Very moment you GENUINELY BELIEVE, RECEIVING HIM AS LORD, meaning MASTER:
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LOVE IS WHAT WE DO AFTER HE HAS SAVED US, the Holy Spirit poured GOD's LOVE directly into our HEARTS (Human Spirit) Rom. 5:5, birthing our Human Spirit INTO ETERNAL LIFE; AND IN THAT VERY MOMENT, IT IS COMPLETE. That SEED OF GOD'S LOVE in our Hearts, Will Sprout Producing the SAME KIND OF LOVE BACK Towards HIM in Obedience and towards Our Brethren. LOVE IS THE MOTIVE FOR OBEDIENCE, something you will do for the rest of your life, AFTER you are SAVED.
Here's a post I found while reading from previous posts and my views relative to your stance that:
SALVATION is a FREE GIFT FROM GOD the Very moment you GENUINELY BELIEVE, RECEIVING HIM AS LORD, meaning MASTER.
NoNameMcgeeSenior Member
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1 john 3
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
Galatians 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Philippians 3:9 - And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith
2 Corinthians 5:21 - For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Isaiah 53:11 - He shall see of the travail of his soul, [and] shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
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praise God for delievering me from the false doctrine which put my salvation on my own shoulders
and showing to me to trust in Jesus
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Ephesians 4
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
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God is a wonderful loving Father to His children, though stern and ready to chasten for wrong doing
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Hebrews 12:7-9
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
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a wicked doctrine which teaches even if you are now made new
now His son
and you sin
that He will cast you out
is not biblical
despite the many confused, or blind who push that teaching of man
...no
He corrects His children as a loving Father building them up and working in them to produce fruit
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My views
Angels were also called sons of God.(Genesis 6:1-4)
Lucifer and his followers were angels who rebelled against God and suffered the consequence of their actions, they were cast out from the presence of God in heaven.
Satan the devil is Lucifer who once was a son of God who became proud and led a rebellion in heaven. He became the enemy of God and is now the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the Prince of this world, the deceiver, the father of lies and all the liars and workers of iniquity, who reject and disobey the Word, the teachings and instructions, the laws and commands of God the Holy One of Israel.(isaiah 5:20-24)
... Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the Prince of this world will be driven out. John 12:31
...and in regard to judgment, because the Prince of this world now stands condemned. John 16:11
.. As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are DISOBEDIENT. Ephesians 2:1-2
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when THE SONS OF GOD went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.Genesis 6:4
...And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. In the very same way, these dreamers pollute their own bodies, reject authority and slander celestial beings. But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals—these are the very things that destroy them. Jude 1:6-10
If the angels who were once called the sons of God were cast out and imprisoned in darkness WHILE WAITING for God’s judgment, while: the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises. Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.(Romans 9:4-5), Paul said to them: Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, HE WILL NOT SPARE YOU EITHER.
Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, PROVIDED THAT YOU CONTINUE in his kindness. Otherwise, YOU ALSO WILL BE CUT OFF.(Romans 11:17-22)
... Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; WAIT ‘TILL THE LORD COMES. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men’s hearts. AT THAT TIME each will receive his praise from God. Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not take pride in one man over against another. For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not? 1 Corinthians 4:5-7
Jesus said to them, “IF GOD WERE YOUR FATHER, YOU WOULD LOVE ME, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”(john 8:42-47)
“If you love me, you will obey what I command.(john 14:15)
If I will obey God, do I love Him or not?
You say that only those who have a genuine saving FAITH will and can obey God. If I am obeying God, do I have a genuine saving FAITH?
IF I CLAIM, to have a genuine saving FAITH but I would teach and preach that salvation is by grace through faith ALONE void of any sort of good works of righteousness which includes obedience to God's laws and commands, DO I REALLY LOVE GOD?
Didn't Jesus say that:
Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. John 14:21,23-24
To preach the gospel unto all nations...and teach them to obey
Matthew 28 :18-20
...that if we want to enter LIFE, we should obey the commandments
Matthew 19-16-
...that if anyone does not take his cross and follow Him is not worthy of Him. Matthew 13:37-42
Now, apostle John said:
If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. 1 John 1:6
We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. 1 John 2:3-6
And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. 2 John 1:6
Thus the apostle Paul said;
Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Ephesians 5:6
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