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The scriptures in Matt. 7 are about people, like you, who "KNEW" they were saved. It is a warning not to be so "High minded" and self righteous because "many" believe they are saved when they are not. This is not my words or my thoughts, but the lesson given us by the Lord and Savior. You want to make this discussion about me, when it is about what the Christ says. This is a common tactic used by many, but not helpful in the "race" we all have entered.
You are free to ignore when I share my belief, or you can engage in the discussion, or you can deflect and try to change the subject, like you did. The choice is yours.
You are free to ignore when I share my belief, or you can engage in the discussion, or you can deflect and try to change the subject, like you did. The choice is yours.
The scriptures in Matt. 7 are about people, like you, who "THOUGHT" they were saved . . . because they were Jews, and of Abraham's lineage.
People today THINK they are saved because they go to such-and-such church, and some believe it because they were born in America, a 'christian' nation.
Peddle your heresy to someone else.
People today THINK they are saved because they go to such-and-such church, and some believe it because they were born in America, a 'christian' nation.
Peddle your heresy to someone else.
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You know....at the end of the day....The Pharisees, Cainologists, Workers For, and the MANY that come before the throne ALL believe they KNOW the LORD and ALL believe their right to enter God's kingdom was based upon their WORKS, SELF SAVING DOGMA and or own Righteousness based upon a supposed adherence to a set of laws that they never really KEPT......they ALL peddle the same dogma with minor variations and or embellishments....falsely I might add....
hmm maybe psychology/sociology?
i get the picture that sometimes the gospel is heard and understood, and some folks reaction to it is 'hmm people are going to abuse this, we need to design alterations to prevent that' - filtering the pure Word through psycho-social humanism.
in my mind, what results is a 'different gospel' that's subtly, deceptively similar, but lacks freedom and truth.
i get the picture that sometimes the gospel is heard and understood, and some folks reaction to it is 'hmm people are going to abuse this, we need to design alterations to prevent that' - filtering the pure Word through psycho-social humanism.
in my mind, what results is a 'different gospel' that's subtly, deceptively similar, but lacks freedom and truth.
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Genesis22:18
"and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me.”
Hi decon, absolutely Studyman's fake gospel will make you sea sick by all of his constant vacillating. I first put him down as a renegade Jewish Roots Movement guy, also known as "replacement theology", I pointed out to him his fatal flaw but with no response of course, maybe I hit a vital nerve to his junk theology.
All counterfeit gospels have an ounce of truth otherwise we would not be deceived by their "Junk Theology"
People who craft their own "Junk Theology" are extremely cleaver, intelligent and downright deceptive, even looking like an "Angel of Light."
Quote: Studyman's response to Mailmandan's post;
"He didn't die so you could create your own religion."
Can you say the word "hypocrite", never have I heard a fake gospel as creative as Studyman's.
"and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me.”
Hi decon, absolutely Studyman's fake gospel will make you sea sick by all of his constant vacillating. I first put him down as a renegade Jewish Roots Movement guy, also known as "replacement theology", I pointed out to him his fatal flaw but with no response of course, maybe I hit a vital nerve to his junk theology.
All counterfeit gospels have an ounce of truth otherwise we would not be deceived by their "Junk Theology"
People who craft their own "Junk Theology" are extremely cleaver, intelligent and downright deceptive, even looking like an "Angel of Light."
Quote: Studyman's response to Mailmandan's post;
"He didn't die so you could create your own religion."
Can you say the word "hypocrite", never have I heard a fake gospel as creative as Studyman's.
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Respecting the wishes and instructions of a Groom at his wedding is simply honoring him, not making our self "good enough" to go where we were invited. Why would a person refuse to abide by the wishes of the Bridegroom at a wedding they were invited to attend?
Shouldn't a person do what he can so as not to offend the groom? At least take a shower, wipe the cow**** of your shoes before you walk in his house. Do you call this trying to "make yourself good enough"? I call this simple respect and honor for the groom.
Can a beggar show respect and honor for the Bridegroom by following his instructions, or do you preach that would be trying to "EARN" the bridegrooms respect?
Or should he "come as you are" and show up to beg for money?
He says, not all who say 'Lord' to Him but those who do the will of the Father - and then 'therefore' whoever hears "these sayings of Mine" and puts them into practice is building on the Rock.
"these" in practice in the immediate context include:
"these" in practice in the immediate context include:
- do not judge
- work on getting the planks out of your eyes
- ask
- seek
- knock
- do to others what you would they do to you
- (("for this is the law and the prophets"))
- enter in at the strait gate
- ((define?))
- beware of false prophets who don't appear false on broad inspection
what happened in the parable?
did the homeless stay home?
did the people travelling on the road go home first?
does it make sense to you that a crippled beggar took a bath and bought a nice robe before he came to the feast?
does it make sense to you that the people travelling on the highway checked into an hotel, showered and bought wedding garments, then came?
nah dude. they were 'gathered' and 'compelled' straightaway
so where did the homeless & penniless lame beggar get washed up and robed in splendor? how did that man get a wedding garment?
or do you believe that maimed, destitute, filthy man is the one who was found without a garment and thrown out?
after being gathered up and compelled by the king's servants to come to the feast?
did the homeless stay home?
did the people travelling on the road go home first?
does it make sense to you that a crippled beggar took a bath and bought a nice robe before he came to the feast?
does it make sense to you that the people travelling on the highway checked into an hotel, showered and bought wedding garments, then came?
So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
(Matthew 22:10)
(Matthew 22:10)
Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind. And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room. And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.
(Luke 7:21-23)
nah dude. they were 'gathered' and 'compelled' straightaway
so where did the homeless & penniless lame beggar get washed up and robed in splendor? how did that man get a wedding garment?
or do you believe that maimed, destitute, filthy man is the one who was found without a garment and thrown out?
after being gathered up and compelled by the king's servants to come to the feast?
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i am in no way whatsoever and never have been even in the slightest bit suggesting it is good to disrespect the King.
i don't know where you get these thoughts from and it would be slanderous of you to make the implication that it comes from me.
i'm asking you where you 'preach' the guests at the banquet got their robes, and who the man without a wedding garment is.
i don't know where you get these thoughts from and it would be slanderous of you to make the implication that it comes from me.
i'm asking you where you 'preach' the guests at the banquet got their robes, and who the man without a wedding garment is.
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Or "come as you are" and show up to beg for mercy, like the repentant sinner in Luke 20, 9-14 
To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
“I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”
To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
“I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”
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It's not about you or me Post. It's about what the Word of God teaches, ALL of it, not just the words you can twist to further your religious traditions.
2 Tim. 2:
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already ( we are already saved, already immortal) and overthrow the faith of some. (So much for once saved always saved)
19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one (Jew and Gentile) that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. (Not come as they are as you preach)
Not the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time's definition of iniquity, not the Pope's or your definition of iniquity, but the Word of God which became Flesh's definition of iniquity.
It's about Him, not you.
2 Tim. 2:
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already ( we are already saved, already immortal) and overthrow the faith of some. (So much for once saved always saved)
19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one (Jew and Gentile) that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. (Not come as they are as you preach)
Not the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time's definition of iniquity, not the Pope's or your definition of iniquity, but the Word of God which became Flesh's definition of iniquity.
It's about Him, not you.
"Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,' says the LORD Almighty.
Zechariah4:6
Zechariah4:6
Amen decon, "if you come before God's Throne", with your good works to save you, Jesus will say "I never new you." How can anyone's good works which is a physical action bring to completion your heavenly birth which was begun by the Spirit. Impossible it cannot be done, you cannot save yourself, it is a gift of God.
The bible say's if you are trying to finish/complete your gift of salvation by the works of the law you are foolish. What is begun by the Spirit of God cannot be finished by the works of the flesh/law. Our eternal salvation is a work of the Spirit so that it is only common sense that the good work God has begun in our life He will also bring to a conclusion.
"We are saved unto good works not by good works.", (Eph2:8), a difficult lesson for the proud and self-righteous.
Galatians3:1, By Faith or Works of the Law
1) You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2) I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3) Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?
Matthew7:22,23
22) Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23) Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
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The problem with "all the words of God" is that they are not all intended for Gentiles . . . and you often try to show that things He said to the Jew are equally applicable to the Gentile . . . they are not . . . you are wrong. How about sticking to the Words of God that are intended for you.
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True this.
I have always wondered WHY.
And im not on some self-righteous "Ooh why are people sinning so much?" nonsense. Im talking about MYSELF. Im looking back at my life and there are SO MANY THINGS that i should of done different or leave undone completely.
I can definately recognize myself from that, either im just extra-wicked or some others can feel me on this one: Isnt it strange how when we men are growing up, we are always attracted to evil from the very beginning? Even in comic books you could see it, I was always into the most wicked characters in those comic books, the skeleton demon looking creatures. Like Venom and Carnage from spider-man. WHY wasnt I ever into something good and wholesome?
You fast-forward a bit from that and the streets are calling.... WHY wasnt I attracted to getting a wholesome christian wife, working hard for my bread?
Why was I attracted to streets and evil women?????
Im seriously asking, does ANYONE know why? And can anyone relate, or am i just extra-wicked?
I have always wondered WHY.
And im not on some self-righteous "Ooh why are people sinning so much?" nonsense. Im talking about MYSELF. Im looking back at my life and there are SO MANY THINGS that i should of done different or leave undone completely.
I can definately recognize myself from that, either im just extra-wicked or some others can feel me on this one: Isnt it strange how when we men are growing up, we are always attracted to evil from the very beginning? Even in comic books you could see it, I was always into the most wicked characters in those comic books, the skeleton demon looking creatures. Like Venom and Carnage from spider-man. WHY wasnt I ever into something good and wholesome?
You fast-forward a bit from that and the streets are calling.... WHY wasnt I attracted to getting a wholesome christian wife, working hard for my bread?
Why was I attracted to streets and evil women?????
Im seriously asking, does ANYONE know why? And can anyone relate, or am i just extra-wicked?
Or "come as you are" and show up to beg for mercy, like the repentant sinner in Luke 20, 9-14
To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
“I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”
To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
“I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”
But the tax collector humbled himself before God and acknowledged His Glory,, understood his weakness, admitted his sin and asked for mercy.
He didn't beg for money, he didn't tell God he was already immortal.
"For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled," (I am saved already, already immortal)
"those who humble themselves will be exalted" (Show me the way God, your works are righteousness while mine as filthy rags)