Angels

PyongPing · Oct 15, 2018

You should see the other studies, some are over a 1,000 pages.

PyongPing · Oct 15, 2018

No, the distinction is in the spiritual and carnal.

"sons of God" are those who "called upon the name of the LORD" (Genesis 4:26), being spiritually minded, and are remade in the "image of God", while the carnally minded, and unrepentant, are simply after the image of fallen Adam, a man, thus "daughters of men" ("after his image"; Genesis 5:3).

This is seen all throughout scripture.

Gen 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

See also:

Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Heb 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Again:

Psa 17:15 As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness.

Notice:

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

Col 3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

Jud_1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

Thus as it is written:

Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Classic definition. Now go back to the beginning:

Gen 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

Said of Jesus:

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

PyongPing · Oct 15, 2018

Adstar said:

Foolishness (Jer_4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.; Pro_17:25 A foolish son is a grief to his father, and bitterness to her that bare him.), deserves such mocking.

1Ki 18:27 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.

Psa_37:13 The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.

Psa_52:6 The righteous also shall see, and fear, and shall laugh at him:

Pro_15:7 The lips of the wise disperse knowledge: but the heart of the foolish doeth not so.

Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. I have shared from the word of God, while you promote yourself and eisegesis.

Therefore, as it is written:

Job_21:3 Suffer me that I may speak; and after that I have spoken, mock on.

PyongPing · Oct 15, 2018

PennEd said:

Is a lost man, an atheist, a God-hater, who fought God his whole life. His wisdom, is foolishness.

1Co_1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

1Co_3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

Rom_1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

PyongPing · Oct 15, 2018

But, even with all of the comparisons and many texts on the "sons of God", etc, which speak about man-kind and not to the angelic host, let us not forget that in Genesis 6, it specifically speaks about they who "took them wives of all which they chose" (Genesis 6:2) as this point is very important when considered amongst the passages in the New Testament which speak about what was going on just prior to the Flood.

Jesus takes time to directly mention several things being done in excess and corrupting His way, one of which was "marrying and giving in marriage":

Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

(we have this now, as it was then, and in Lot's day also,

Gen_19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

Rom_1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Jdg 19:22 Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.

Jdg 19:25 But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go.

men with men, women with women, and men and women doing what they please without any thought of God, mixed marriages as with God's people with worldings as then. multiple marriages, divorce, violence, etc, even now the wicked, as in Lot's day are already knocking on the door of the remnant, seeking entrance to defile the people therein, and it is almost over for them all)

Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Luk 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

Luk 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

Peter also briefly mentions the subject:

2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

2Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

As does Job:

Job 21:7 Wherefore do the wicked live, become old, yea, are mighty in power?

Job 21:14 Therefore they say unto God, Depart from us; for we desire not the knowledge of thy ways.

Job 22:15 Hast thou marked the old way which wicked men have trodden?

Job 22:16 Which were cut down out of time, whose foundation was overflown with a flood:

Job 22:17 Which said unto God, Depart from us: and what can the Almighty do for them?

Notice also in Genesis 6:2, the "they chose", of themselves, not God choosing for them a mate. We see the results of such in Samson, See Samson the Judge in Judges 14:1,2,3 and many others, as already cited. See Esau and Jacob in Genesis 26:34,35, 28:8,9 [comparing to Jacob in Genesis 27:46, 28:1,6], 36:2.

There is nothing about 'angels' siring children in any of that, or that they have any capability to do so.

PyongPing · Oct 15, 2018

As an interim, let us have a look at the "giants", all of which only ever deal with "men" [mankind]:

Let us next consider the term "giants" [Heb. Tr.: "nephilim"] in Genesis 6.

If such were truly 'devil-human-hybrids', as some incorrectly speculate, which according to Genesis, Job, Jesus, Peter, etc were completely destroyed in the Flood, then why are these "giants" yet found alive again after the world-wide flood?

Well, in their perverted imaginary scenario, not found in Scripture in any place, they must add another non-event like what they imaged in Genesis 6 to have occurred again, and all the while such do not realize how much is being added to cover the deception of the devil. These are called Ad-Hocs, and are yet another fallacy, and forbidden of God in scripture to do.

For the Flood was indeed entirely global and covering all the whole earth, even rising above the "then" mountains (Genesis 7:20) and all "flesh wherein the breath of life", "every living substance" was "destroyed" and "perished" for "Noah only remained [alive], and they that [were] with him in the ark." (Genesis 7:23).

The term "giants" is translated from the Hebrew word "nĕphiyl" "נָפִיל" has a range of meaning, such as "giants, attack, fall away, rebels, apostates" and comes from the Hebrew root word "naphal" "נָפַל" which means "to fall, lie down, lay prostrate, cast down, fall away to, go away to, desert, attack, knock out, overthrow, cause to drop" [Strong's Concordance] and also to "supplant, become ruined, to encamp" [Gesenius's Lexicon]. Yet, let us see how the word defined it.

There were "giants" in those days before the flood, even before the "sons of God" knew "the daughters of men", and after, and even after the flood, and in each instance the words used in description are always referring to the race of man-kind, and never in reference to the angelic hosts in all instances:

Gen 14:5 And in the fourteenth year came Chedorlaomer, and the kings that were with him, and smote the Rephaims in Ashteroth Karnaim, and the Zuzims in Ham, and the Emims in Shaveh Kiriathaim,

Num 13:32 And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature.

Deu 3:13 And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of giants.

Jos 12:4 And the coast of Og king of Bashan, which was of the remnant of the giants, that dwelt at Ashtaroth and at Edrei,

Jos 13:12 All the kingdom of Og in Bashan, which reigned in Ashtaroth and in Edrei, who remained of the remnant of the giants: for these did Moses smite, and cast them out.

Jos 15:8 And the border went up by the valley of the son of Hinnom unto the south side of the Jebusite; the same is Jerusalem: and the border went up to the top of the mountain that lieth before the valley of Hinnom westward, which is at the end of the valley of the giants northward:

Jos 17:15 And Joshua answered them, If thou be a great people, then get thee up to the wood country, and cut down for thyself there in the land of the Perizzites and of the giants, if mount Ephraim be too narrow for thee.

Jos 18:16 And the border came down to the end of the mountain that lieth before the valley of the son of Hinnom, and which is in the valley of the giants on the north, and descended to the valley of Hinnom, to the side of Jebusi on the south, and descended to Enrogel,

"Nimrod" ["a mighty one"]:

Gen 10:8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.

Gen 10:9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD.

["before", means to stand over against, in front of, or opposite to [even opposed]]

"Rephaims" ["giants" like Goliath or Og the King of Bashan]:

Gen 15:20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,

Deu 3:11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

2Sa 5:18 The Philistines also came and spread themselves in the valley of Rephaim.

2Sa 5:22 And the Philistines came up yet again, and spread themselves in the valley of Rephaim.

1Ch 14:9 And the Philistines came and spread themselves in the valley of Rephaim.

Isa 17:5 And it shall be as when the harvestman gathereth the corn, and reapeth the ears with his arm; and it shall be as he that gathereth ears in the valley of Rephaim.

"Anakims" ["sons of Anak"]:

Num 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Deu 9:2 A people great and tall, the children of the Anakims, whom thou knowest, and of whom thou hast heard say, Who can stand before the children of Anak!

PyongPing · Oct 15, 2018

Some have attempted to say that Anak, came from nowhere and was a distinct people group and race, and was sired of devil-human hybrids. This is not the case, as his genealogy is clearly given in scripture, with a little prayerful reading and careful study (which seems to be lacking in those who promote the other erroneous ideas).

More on "Anak" and where He came from:

“Anak”, and descendants, and ancestors:

“Anak” is found in the following verses:

Numbers 13:22,28,33

Deuteronomy 9:2

Joshua 15:13,14, 21:11

Judges 1:20

The “Children of Anak” are found:

Ahiman; Numbers 13:22

Sheshai; Numbers 13:22

Talmai; Numbers 13:22

The “Father of Anak”, named “Arba” is found in the following verses:

Joshua 14:15, 15:13, 21:11

“Arba” was the ruler of “Kirjath-Arba” [“City of Arba”, aka “Hebron”], found in the following verses:

kirjatharba, 6 times

Genesis 23:2 (2 times); Joshua 14:15, 15:54, 20:7; Judges 1:10; Nehemiah 11:25

City of Arba[h], 3 times

Genesis 35:27, Joshua 15:13, 21:11

The “City of Arbah” [“Hebron”], lies in the “plain of Mamre”:

Genesis 13:18, 14:13,24, 18:1,23:17,19, 25:9, 35:27, 49:30, 50:13

“The plain of Mamre” was in the “Land of Canaan”:

Genesis 49:30

“Mamre”, was an “Amorite”:

Genesis 14:13

The “Amorites” were descendants/children of “Canaan”:

Genesis 10:15,16

“Canaan” was a son of “Ham”:

Genesis 10:6

“Ham” was a son of “Noah” [“Noe”]:

Genesis 5:32

“Noah” [“Noe”] was a son of “Lamech”:

Genesis 5:29,30; Luke 3:36

“Lamech” was a son of “Methuselah” [“Mathusala”]:

Genesis 5:25; Luke 3:37

“Methuselah” [“Mathusala”] was a son of “Enoch”:

Genesis 5:21; Luke 3:37

“Enoch” was a son of “Jared”:

Genesis 5:18; Luke 3:37

“Jared” was a son of “Mahalaleel” [“Maleleel”]:

Genesis 5:16,17; Luke 3:17

“Mahalaleel” [“Maleleel”] was a son of “Cainan”:

Genesis 5:12,13; Luke 3:17

“Cainan” was a son of “Enos”:

Genesis 5:9,10; Luke 3:18

“Enos” was a son of “Seth”:

Genesis 4:26, 5:6,7; Luke 3:38

“Seth” was a son of “Adam” and his wife, “Eve” [Genesis 2:23; “the mother of all living” [Genesis 3:20]]:

Genesis 4:25; Luke 3:38

“Adam” [“the first man” 1 Corinthians 15:45] was the “son of God”:

Genesis 1 & 2; Luke 3:38

Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

Gen 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

Gen 10:1 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.

Therefore, since Anak, was the child of Arba, and Arba founded the city of Arba[h], and the City of Arba [KirjathArba, Hebron] was in the plain of Mamre, and Mamre was an Amorite, which was in the land of Canaan, which were named for the persons which settled there, being the son of Ham, the son of Noah [Noe] … which was the son of Adam, the first man, and Eve, who was the mother of all living, we can see that “Anak”, was therefore an Amorite descendant of Canaan, etc.

The Bible lists many people that suddenly appear without apparent ancestor genealogy, and some without descendant genealogy, like Melchisedec [Melchizedek] but that does not indicate that the Scriptures are saying that there were other races of men around, other than descendants of Adam [of whom all races of men are of “one blood”]/Eve [“the mother of all living”] and/or Noah [since the flood only left the 8 [“Noah only remained alive” Genesis 7:23, the “eight” persons left alive; 1 Peter 3:20]].

It simply indicates that their ancestry is already indicated through the lineages primarily given in Genesis 5 and 10 and before unto Creation in Genesis 1 & 2.

When we compare Scripture with Scripture, line upon line [Isaiah 28] we can also consider the locations/lands in which they lived, what cities, etc surround those names, in their context to obtain a clearer picture.

PyongPing · Oct 15, 2018

"Emims":

Deu 2:11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.

"Zamzummims":

Deu 2:20 (That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;

Deu 2:21 A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead:

Others, "children of the giant", "sons of the giant":

1Ch 11:23 And he slew an Egyptian, a man of great stature, five cubits high; and in the Egyptian's hand was a spear like a weaver's beam; and he went down to him with a staff, and plucked the spear out of the Egyptian's hand, and slew him with his own spear.

1Ch 20:4 And it came to pass after this, that there arose war at Gezer with the Philistines; at which time Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Sippai, that was of the children of the giant: and they were subdued.

1Ch 20:5 And there was war again with the Philistines; and Elhanan the son of Jair slew Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, whose spear staff was like a weaver's beam.

1Ch 20:6 And yet again there was war at Gath, where was a man of great stature, whose fingers and toes were four and twenty, six on each hand, and six on each foot: and he also was the son of the giant.

1Ch 20:7 But when he defied Israel, Jonathan the son of Shimea David's brother slew him.

1Ch 20:8 These were born unto the giant in Gath; and they fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.

2Sa 21:16 And Ishbibenob, which was of the sons of the giant, the weight of whose spear weighed three hundred shekels of brass in weight, he being girded with a new sword, thought to have slain David.

2Sa 21:17 But Abishai the son of Zeruiah succoured him, and smote the Philistine, and killed him. Then the men of David sware unto him, saying, Thou shalt go no more out with us to battle, that thou quench not the light of Israel.

2Sa 21:18 And it came to pass after this, that there was again a battle with the Philistines at Gob: then Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Saph, which was of the sons of the giant.

2Sa 21:19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

2Sa 21:20 And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.

2Sa 21:21 And when he defied Israel, Jonathan the son of Shimea the brother of David slew him.

2Sa 21:22 These four were born to the giant in Gath, and fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.

Isa 45:14 Thus saith the LORD, The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine: they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying, Surely God is in thee; and there is none else, there is no God.

There are two ways, the Ways of God, or the way of wickedness.

Another piece of the text to consider in the context of Genesis 6:4 are the words "men of renown":

English: "reknown" = Hebrew: "shem" "שֵׁם" [meaning: name, reputation, fame, glory, memorial, monument, stigma [a mark with which anyone is marked], notable, famous or infamous] [Strong's Concordance]

Compare to those in the camp of Moses, where the exact same words are used:

Num 16:2 And they rose up before Moses, with certain of the children of Israel, two hundred and fifty princes of the assembly, famous in the congregation, men of renown:

...or compare these passages which also deal with mankind alone:

Num 1:16 These were the renowned of the congregation, princes of the tribes of their fathers, heads of thousands in Israel.

Num 26:9 And the sons of Eliab; Nemuel, and Dathan, and Abiram. This is that Dathan and Abiram, which were famous in the congregation, who strove against Moses and against Aaron in the company of Korah, when they strove against the LORD:

1Ch 5:24 And these were the heads of the house of their fathers, even Epher, and Ishi, and Eliel, and Azriel, and Jeremiah, and Hodaviah, and Jahdiel, mighty men of valour, famous men, and heads of the house of their fathers.

1Ch 12:30 And of the children of Ephraim twenty thousand and eight hundred, mighty men of valour, famous throughout the house of their fathers.

...or compare to those who allow God to make them a great name, to those who make a great name for themselves:

[God makes the name great]

Gen 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

[Man makes the name great]

Gen 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

Angels are nowhere explicitly mentioned in any of the passages, while all of the passages overtly speak of the lineage of sinful mankind, and their genealogy back unto Noah, back unto Adam.

PyongPing · Oct 15, 2018

prove-all said:

Even Adam, at the beginning, and after receiving the promise (Genesis 3:15) is a "son of God":

Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

PyongPing · Oct 15, 2018

PennEd said:

O brother,

Amo 2:9 Yet destroyed I the Amorite before them, whose height was like the height of the cedars, and he was strong as the oaks; yet I destroyed his fruit from above, and his roots from beneath.

Amo 2:10 Also I brought you up from the land of Egypt, and led you forty years through the wilderness, to possess the land of the Amorite.

"The Amorite" is not a single individual human being in this passage. It is a "nation" (see below) of "Amorite" whose 'height' (glory) was great in the earth, like Nebuchadnezzar (as head of his nation) in Daniel 4:11-13,14,2022,24. Other nations are also as tall trees in the Garden of God:

Eze_17:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; A great eagle with great wings, longwinged, full of feathers, which had divers colours, came unto Lebanon, and took the highest branch of the cedar:

Eze_17:7 There was also another great eagle with great wings and many feathers: and, behold, this vine did bend her roots toward him, and shot forth her branches toward him, that he might water it by the furrows of her plantation.

Eze_17:24 And all the trees of the field shall know that I the LORD have brought down the high tree, have exalted the low tree, have dried up the green tree, and have made the dry tree to flourish: I the LORD have spoken and have done it.

Even God's own people are as such tall trees, fir, palm, cedar, olive, apple, fruit, etc:

Psa_104:16 The trees of the LORD are full of sap; the cedars of Lebanon, which he hath planted;

Son_2:3 As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste.

Isa_61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

Eze_15:6 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; As the vine tree among the trees of the forest, which I have given to the fire for fuel, so will I give the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

You are ignorant of the scriptures, and read them according to your belly/lusts. If you do not repent of this, you are in great danger, and any children you may have also (Hosea 4:6).

The Treasury of Scripture knowledge may be of help to you in repentance, please utilize this great and helpful resource, as it will save you such embarrassment, not only before men, more importantly before God, who requires you to rightly divide the word of God:

I the: Gen_15:16; Exo_3:8, Exo_34:11; Num_21:24; Deu_2:24-33; Jos_3:10, Jos_24:8-12; Jdg_11:21-23; Neh_9:22-24; Psa_135:10-12, Psa_136:17-22

whose: Num_13:28-29, Num_13:32-33; Deu_1:28, Deu_2:10-11, Deu_3:11, Deu_9:1-3

I destroyed: Jos_11:21-22; 2Sa_23:16-22; Job_18:16; Isa_5:24; Mal_4:1

PyongPing · Oct 15, 2018

PennEd said:

Notice:

Deu 3:11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

Please read more carefully. You are exaggerating the measurement of Og, and conflating that with Og's "bedstead".

The measurement is not of the "man" himself, but of that which he slept on. Otherwise, you must also say that Og was 4 cubits in width. Are you also prepared to say that?

Was Og a large (tall) man? Yes.

What the text does not say, is that Og himself was nine cubits.

My own bed is larger than I am by some feet. Most beds that people sleep on are (though not in every case). However, do not read into the text that which it does not say.

PennEd · Oct 15, 2018

PyongPing said:

Tell me what kind of "humans" were able to place these stones, many of which we STILL don't have the technology to lift today.

Of course you could side with the secular world that explains these structures as being constructed by aliens.

Just how big of a Giant would you have to be to place these? Maybe the size of a Cedar tree?

Hungry · Oct 15, 2018

prove-all said:

I would say that when Genesis was authored, that wasn’t the intended meaning.

Hungry · Oct 15, 2018

PyongPing, I will have to side with Einstein on this issue; “If you can’t explain it simply, you don’t understand it well enough.”

Lafftur · Oct 15, 2018

PennEd said:

In the "you just can't make this up dept." Here is Stephen Hawking's prediction for mankind in TODAY'S news!

The late Stephen Hawking believed advances in genetic science would lead to a future generation of superhumans that could ultimately destroy the rest of humanity.

In newly published writings, Dr. Hawking suggested an elite class of physically and intellectually powerful humans could arise from rich people choosing to edit their DNA and manipulating their children’s genetic makeup.

“I am sure that during this century, people will discover how to modify both intelligence and instincts such as aggression,” he wrote.

“Laws will probably be passed against genetic engineering with humans. But some people won’t be able to resist the temptation to improve human characteristics, such as memory, resistance to disease and length of life.”

The renowned theoretical physicist, who died in March this year, made the grim prediction in a collection of essays and articles recently published by the UK’s Sunday Times, prior to the release of a book containing a collection of writings by Dr. Hawking.

Those without the means will become relegated to a sub-class of “unimproved humans,” he suggests in Brief Answers To The Big Questions due out this week. The wealthy who have power and access could tweak their genome to boost strength, memory and disease resistance.

This two-tier system of humans, Dr. Hawking predicted, could have grave social consequences.

“Once such superhumans appear, there will be significant political problems with unimproved humans, who won’t be able to compete,” he wrote. “Presumably, they will die out, or become unimportant. Instead, there will be a race of self-designing beings who are improving at an ever-increasing rate.

“If the human race manages to redesign itself, it will probably spread out and colonize other planets and stars.”

While the rise of a superhumans won’t happen in our lifetime, new gene-editing technology has already led to concerns about the potential of designer babies.

Most notably, CRISPR-Cas 9 is a recently emerged technology that can be thought of as acting like a tiny pair of molecular scissors that can cut and alter nucleotides which make up DNA, enabling scientists to find and modify, or replace, genetic defects.

“The fear is that they could use these techniques to create, some way, genetically modified people. You know designer babies where parents pick and choose the traits of their babies, make them taller, stronger, smarter or something like that,” NPR said in a 2016 report about a Swedish scientist using the technique to edit human embryos.

Dr. Hawking was known for bringing clarity to some of the most mind-bending ideas in science such as the nature of black holes and the possibility of a multiverse.

But towards the end of this life, he grew increasingly vocal about future problems the world might face.

As in the Days of Noah.....

Or as in the days of babal.........man gets too big for his britches and God comes down and confuses the language/understanding.

These great scientific revelations should not surprise us....God created us in His image, BUT GOD ALONE IS GOD AND THERE IS NO OTHER. 😍👍

Lafftur · Oct 15, 2018

Lafftur said:

No matter how big or strong the natural man is, the spiritual little guy can kill him with The Lord, a slingshot and the giants own sword.

I’m not afraid. Run to the battle!!!! 😃👍

PyongPing · Oct 16, 2018

Lafftur said:

Indeed. Goliath brought a 'knife' to a 'gun' fight.

PyongPing · Oct 16, 2018

PennEd said:

Intelligence. They were smarter than you an I. They also had 'machines'. There is evidence all over the stones of cutting with such, all around the world. It doesn't require giantism (not to say that some weren't). It requires wisdom, and the acceptance of what scripture says of the patriarchs and ancestors, rather than a false evolutionistic view.

PyongPing · Oct 16, 2018

PennEd said:

"Aliens"? That is satan's counterfeit for an humanistic 2nd advent. satan twists scripture and the sanctuary to create his doctrines:

2Co_2:11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

Psa 77:13 Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?

All he does is find something in the sanctuary and twist it.

Sinners on this earth are the 'aliens' in the unfallen universe. Sinners are the foreign element in the pure universe. On earth, Christians, are even the 'aliens' (foreign) to worldlings, seeing as we are not of this world (born from above), though still in it.

The only outsiders allowed on earth are the Great Physician (God) and the nurses, those angelic beings (like Gabriel and 'Herald', others) who minister to the sin sick persons.

The only other outsiders on earth, are the rebellious angels, which are all stuck here, per scripture.

The unfallen beings of the unfallen worlds are not allowed in this leper colony, which is cut-off, outside the camp of undefiled Heaven, but they watch.

After 7,000 years (7 Days with the LORD), it will be returned and united with all Heaven again, as per scripture.

PyongPing · Oct 16, 2018

Hungry said:

Einstein, like Hawking, was wrong on many things (it's what happens when you deny God, you become a fool, and loved by the world) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_philosophical_views_of_Albert_Einstein

How many pages are in your Bible?

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