Jewish & Gentile Relationship
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Okay now it makes sense why yall agree. You dont even believe in the trinity.
I'll bow out of this conversation. Much bigger issues at play here than some gentile jew relations.
Trinity is MILK
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jaybird88
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Don't waste time with him Jaybird88. It is a waste of time. Unfortunately, he does not answer any questions I have imposed on him and I am always willing to be challenged because that is the only way TRUTH is extracted. "Iron sharpens iron" for a reason. But I pray for him and hope all the best for him. For G-d loves every one of His children, no matter how far or how close they are. But the decision to KNOW our Creator day in and day out is up to each individual soul.
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jaybird88
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i shouldnt but its hard for me to back out of a discussion on subjects i believe in.
we should always want our beliefs to be challenged for the reasons you just said. a rabbi taught me that so many years back, i remember being fascinated by this concept because it was so different than the church i grew up in. they never wanted us challenging anything, just believe it because we tell you to believe it.
Ah you bring up 2 amazing points:
a) You know the Chofetz Chaim and many other Sages teach us that the greater fool, is the wise one who argues with a fool. Why? Because the wise would use wisdom not to waste time with them (trust me, I am learning too). But even our Master Yeshua tells us, "not to cast your pearls before swine...".
b) Ahhhh I like what your Rabbi taught you. See in Judaism, you are able to challenge the Rabbi and ITS ENCOURAGED!!! Why? Because the Rabbi has such humility (hopefully), that he wants to you EXCEL and GROW PAST HIM! This is how Israel thrives and survives a world of horror. Whereas Christianity and pretty much all societies, you are taught to "obey and listen" and do what you're told. Why? So you can stay simple minded and be dumbed down.
"If you rebel = you are the devil"... such a guilt trip.
What is your point here with this thread? If it is The Sages are full of wisdom and understanding... Christians are not...
Where does wisdom come from and understanding?
Can anyone be wise and understand if they reject the Creator of it?
Paul never converted from being a Pharisee and a Jew. He added the truth of Jesus, but that took addition not converting.
The bible tells us that the Jews are God's chosen people.
“You are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession” (Deuteronomy 7:6).
Romans 11:1-2 I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?
"We" aren't the Redeemer; Jesus is.
The church's role is to preach the gospel to the lost. If a Jew or Gentile rejects the gospel that's their problem, not the church's.
The Gospel of John proclaims the Holy Trinity........Paul speaks of it as well in a couple of places............do some studying...... k?
Here (I know you won't do it)
Colossians 2:2) That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3)In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
4) And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words. 5) For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. 6) As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
7) Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8) Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Kinda makes you want to rethink that idea about throwing out the Holy Trinity don't it? Well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it surely should! Especially as Paul himself tells us that we (man) are a triune being. And, uh, er, gee, were we NOT created in HIS IMAGE?
1 Thessalonians 5:23) And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
But, shoot, you go ahead and throw it out........
Colossians 2:2) That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3)In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
4) And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words. 5) For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. 6) As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
7) Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8) Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Kinda makes you want to rethink that idea about throwing out the Holy Trinity don't it? Well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it surely should! Especially as Paul himself tells us that we (man) are a triune being. And, uh, er, gee, were we NOT created in HIS IMAGE?
1 Thessalonians 5:23) And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
But, shoot, you go ahead and throw it out........
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jaybird88
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If we rebel against your Rabbi we should feel guilty and pretend we are rebelling against the devil??
We are to walk by faith according to the unseen teacher God. He is the best teacher. We can seek His approval of one not seen . He promises us to teach, comfort, guide us and bring all things to our memory that he has taught us.
We do not look to the approval of a Rabbi or a father seen as if it was of our one Rabbi as our father not seen in heaven .
The Catholics perform the same "think not" doctrine to call a person on earth father as a infallible mediator using Peter as if to our father and master in heaven. The apostate Jews use Abraham to take way the unseen glory of God by giving it to men seen.
Matthew 3:9 And "think not" to say within yourselves, We have Abraham (Peter) to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
The many lively stones that make up the spiritual house of God unseen is the church.
He warns of those who say we need a man to teach us.(1 John2:27-28) He gave special instruction to those who glory in the flesh of men seen, the temporal .Those Rabbis love to do all their works to be seen of men ( walking by sight...no faith)
In doing so we receive the commandment to call no man on earth father or the same with Rabbi, teacher, Master. We are to call no man on earth master for one is our master in heaven. The idea of serving two teaching masters .The fathers as that seen and our father in heaven not seen only shows the father of lies has his foot in the door.
But all their works they do for "to be seen of men": they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.Mathew 23:5-11
It is our problem. Our churches have murdered Jews for hundreds of years. We don't murder them today, but we would have to gain their trust.
My Jewish friend collects the very finest of Jewelry. She is alive because her family bought their way out of Germany during the holocaust with jewelry--it was the only bribe the Germans would accept so they could leave. She says what happened in Germany and for hundreds of years before could happen again, she does not trust Christians.
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UnderGrace
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Are you referring to true DNA Jews or those who practice Judiasm, there is a difference.
This scripture is escaping these two guys.
BE NOT CALLED RABBI!
Stop calling CHRIST-REJECTING judaism practicioners rabbi.
Those who practice Orthodox Jews primarily, but yes al Jews do matter because G-d is the one who decided they would be 1st and the chosen people endless reasons. I am a Gentile and I accept this humbly. Why? For who am I to say that I know more than the people whom the book was written by? Who am I to speak about "persecution" when Jews from the time before Moshe have always been persecuted horribly, let alone the Holocaust. But still...they prevail and prosper...How? Why? What is the secret or what is the logic?
Please...for the sake of your own soul, stop using scripture out of context. Read the verse again, "do not call YOURSELVES" Rabbi's or Father's or Masters". Why? Yeshua is not saying that there should never be a leader, LOL. Paul is a leader, the disciples were leaders, heck Timothy is a leader. So what, we cannot call them leaders/teachers/Pastors/Priests/Rabbi's? The term Rabbi = teacher. Do you call your biological father? By your misusage of scripture, if you call your dad father, you are sinning.... LOL! Please, read and understand. Reflect and challenge your ideas, not wave them around and use them to "hate" other people.
Those who lack wisdom....will lack life.
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UnderGrace
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Did you know that there is evidence, perhaps not conclusive yet, that most Jewish people are not of the biblical lineage but rather converts from a latter time, after the time of Christ, recent DNA studies is suggesting sometime during Roman rule?
If this is true, then most present day Orthodox Jews to which you refer are in fact gentiles and not Jews.
