JOHN 14:6--ONE WAY OR MANY WAYS

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jaybird88

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You said there are many ways.
nope, never said that. lets try it again.
i would say in todays Christianity it would have to be many ways being as every denomination has a different way of interpreting the scripture.
their are different ways according to different groups. if one person visited 20 churches they might get 20 different versions of the scripture in question.
this does not mean Jesus taught 20 different ways, it means you have one way of Jesus being understood 20 different ways.
 
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jaybird88

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LOL! You are funny!

Only those who believe in Jesus have eternal life.

I will not judge a person on the name of their religion or culture: God judges a person on the basis of their belief in His Son:

Jesus: John 14:6: "I am the way, the truth, and the life"
so a child born into a culture where people never heard of Jesus, they go straight to hell?? and their punishment i guess would be being born into a culture that they were never asked to be born into in the first place?
this is what "through" Jesus means? because that sounds nothing like what Jesus taught to me.
 

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nope, never said that. lets try it again.


their are different ways according to different groups. if one person visited 20 churches they might get 20 different versions of the scripture in question.
this does not mean Jesus taught 20 different ways, it means you have one way of Jesus being understood 20 different ways.
Being a Christian means following Jesus every step of the way in EVERYTHING we do and say. If we do not, then we should not identify ourselves as being a Christian. It is a narrow path we tread. There is no room for the cults.
 

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so a child born into a culture where people never heard of Jesus, they go straight to hell?? and their punishment i guess would be being born into a culture that they were never asked to be born into in the first place?
this is what "through" Jesus means? because that sounds nothing like what Jesus taught to me.
The apostle Paul evangelised the known world. The Christian message has been out there for all this time and people have no excuse. The hard truth is, people reject Jesus and the consequence is as you, and Jesus said.
 

Zmouth

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People, this is a fact! No man cometh unto the Father except through Jesus Christ. That's the truth! I don't want to hear about your Mohammed or whoever you got. I mean, it's nice that you got it. I'm going to be nice to you, I'll respect you a little bit. But you are going to die and burn in hell!
So how did you come to Jesus?
 

Zmouth

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His personal road, period, and He says "no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." And don't you like this?
It is not a matter of like, it is a matter the three personages of God, who are not three manifestations of the same God but three personages who are separate and distinct from the other two who all share the same nature, thus are considered one God so that means that the Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Father or else how can Jesus and the Father be one if they are two according to your own doctrine?

"...for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." Heb 11:6
 
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Being a Christian means following Jesus every step of the way in EVERYTHING we do and say. If we do not, then we should not identify ourselves as being a Christian. It is a narrow path we tread. There is no room for the cults.
i agree with following Jesus in everything. that doesnt change the different interpretations people have. are you saying everyone outside of your denomination is a crazy cult? thats kinda like saying they are all wrong because i say they are wrong.

The apostle Paul evangelised the known world. The Christian message has been out there for all this time and people have no excuse. The hard truth is, people reject Jesus and the consequence is as you, and Jesus said.
does this mean you dont know becouse its not an answer to the question i asked.
 
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"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" (John 14:6).



One may "amen" to Kingdom come, but if he does not believe Jesus in all He teaches it is lip service only.,

Learn when Jesus says any who teach agains the least of the laws will be least in the Kingdom.

No one is truly free until he no longer needs to fear the curse of the law, death, yet lives in the grace and mercy by the Blood of the Lamb. This, not known by any who claim to believe Jesus demonstrated the veil of Moses is yet binging the person.


I am wondering how small a person has to be to follow another to a thread and try to continue an argument from another thread in a thread that has nothing to do with the op

speaking of lip service, why do you put yourself under law and then tell others they do not follow Jesus?

you too can have freedom in Christ to actually follow HIM instead of OT law
 
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it is inconceivable to me and many other Christians, that there are those that will argue that Jesus is not the only way, or that you have to follow parts of the law, or that anything Jesus said is contested and has different interpretations

there has to be some kind of anti-Christ spirit at work there IMO
 

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so a child born into a culture where people never heard of Jesus, they go straight to hell?? and their punishment i guess would be being born into a culture that they were never asked to be born into in the first place?
this is what "through" Jesus means? because that sounds nothing like what Jesus taught to me.
No one goes to hell because they are born in a culture that has never heard of Jesus. A person goes to hell because they reject the knowledge that they do have about God: that is - they do not believe in Jesus Christ.

I know that is too short an answer with too little explanation, and it only raises more questions. But I don't have the time to give you the full well-explained answer. You are asking good questions . . . but don't jump to wrong answers without looking carefully at what the Bible says . . .
 
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Should we tell the lost that they will die and go to hell without Christ?

"And of some have compassion, making a difference: And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh" (Jude 1:22-23).
 

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Should we tell the lost that they will die and go to hell without Christ?

"And of some have compassion, making a difference: And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh" (Jude 1:22-23).
Amen we should tell them. I would want to know if I was lost and going to hell!
 
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Amen we should tell them. I would want to know if I was lost and going to hell!
Bill Bright told me I was going to hell . . . and I ain't going there no more. As a Mormon, I didn't believe in hell. Well, that didn't make the Holy Spirit stop convicting me of my sin and on October 25th, 1976 at 3:45 p.m. I settled it at the cross.
 
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jaybird88

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No one goes to hell because they are born in a culture that has never heard of Jesus. A person goes to hell because they reject the knowledge that they do have about God: that is - they do not believe in Jesus Christ.

I know that is too short an answer with too little explanation, and it only raises more questions. But I don't have the time to give you the full well-explained answer. You are asking good questions . . . but don't jump to wrong answers without looking carefully at what the Bible says . . .
not knowing of Jesus and rejecting Jesus are two very different things.

so back to the question, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhist, what happens to these guys in the next life? they dont reject Him, they never heard of Him. they were born into a non Christian culture.
 
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not knowing of Jesus and rejecting Jesus are two very different things.

so back to the question, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhist, what happens to these guys in the next life? they dont reject Him, they never heard of Him. they were born into a non Christian culture.
They had the Gospel once. They rejected it. The fathers made a terrible choice that their children must now live with. However, Romans does speak of those that sin without law are judged by their conscience. It is my view (and I believe Scripture supports it) that God knows when a man is truly and honestly seeking Him and will send the Gospel.
 
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"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" (John 14:6).

People, this is a fact! No man cometh unto the Father except through Jesus Christ. That's the truth! I don't want to hear about your Mohammed or whoever you got. I mean, it's nice that you got it. I'm going to be nice to you, I'll respect you a little bit. But you are going to die and burn in hell! And you are going to get mad at me for telling you that. And you are going to tell me that it is not my job to tell you that. But my Lord commanded me to tell you that because it's true! People are dying and going to hell. Don't care what they think they are going to get there on, if it's not the Lord Jesus Christ--they are not getting there. So you can be nice, you can be gracious--but you give them the Gospel. And then when you show them this verse--I guarantee you--when you show them verse 6, my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ said that "He is the way, the truth and the life." In other words, if you believe something different--it ain't the road. Buddha, Hindu, Good Works ain't the road. All these others, it ain't the road. Jesus is claiming His personal road, period, and He says "no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." And don't you like this? He is the "way, the truth and the life."

And the only way you are going to get the truth and the life is Jesus Christ and the only way you are going to know the truth is His Word. And His Word is Him! "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was (not 'a') God." You can't separate the Words of God from God. And that is why He promised to perfectly preserve His Word. Not the originals. You couldn't find the originals to save your life. There are copies of copies of copies out there of the languages. But you think that God didn't know there was an English-speaking people coming on the scene? Give me a break!

Everything you believe you should be able to substantiate from the Word of God. And you ought to teach your kids the verses. We believe this . . . because of this. We believe that because of that. They will read it, Lord willing, they will memorize it--some of it is easy. Memorize it. How do you know you are saved? Book, chapter and verse. Who saved you? Jesus. Right down the line. Little bus kids know this stuff. Our kids ought to know that.

I mean, we are to live to God glorified, fruitful, Christian lives. That's the battle! "I'm sick of fighting!" Don't ever say that, please! Maybe in the cancer ward and you know you are about to go home to be with Jesus, you go like this, "Wheeew! It's over! Finally! No more fight, man!" But you don't stop fighting. You rest in God, but you just keep fighting! Because you are saved!

I add this quote from Francis Dixon:

When I stand before the throne dressed in beauty not my own,
When I see Thee as Thou art, Love Thee with unsinning heart,
Then O Lord shall I fully know—Not till then how much I owe.​

Remember, Jesus is the only way . . . and He keeps that soul that on Him reposes upon Him.

The soul that on Jesus has leaned for repose,
I will not, I will not desert to its foes;
That soul, though all hell should endeavor to shake,
I’ll never, no never, no never forsake.​
And I thought I was bold at proclaiming truth.

I bow to the master, lol.

People do not understand that the only way we can have a spiritual relationship with God is for there to be a sinless man to represent mankind, and to open the kingdom of heaven to them.

Who is the man Christ Jesus, for there is one God, and mediator between God and people, the man Christ Jesus.

Jesus is the bridge to cross to get to God for a spiritual relationship.

God said it is our sins that separate us from Him for having a spiritual relationship with Him, and Jesus takes away our sins if we realize we are a sinner, and repent.

Joh 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
Joh 10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
Joh 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
Joh 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
Joh 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
Joh 10:6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
Joh 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
Joh 10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
Joh 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

Anybody that tries to get access to heaven by any other means besides Jesus Christ the same is a thief and a robber.

The same with Paul saying we are not saved by works, which he dealt with the Gentiles, and their works they did in their religions, or the Old Testament physical ordinances, that those works will not save you for they have no bearing on spiritual salvation, which is why Jesus took the physical ordinances of Israel away.

Jesus is the only way to have a relationship with God in a spiritual sense, which in the Old Testament they could have a relationship with God but not in a spiritual sense to dwell with Him in the afterlife.

God said raise your children up in the way they should go, which is the ways of God, and when they are older they will not depart from it.

Continued,
 
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Continued,


Like that song bye bye miss american pie, for it was a prosperous time in the 1950's, and moral, and love for the country, and love for each other, and basically God fearing, looking at people as being basically good and decent, and then the 1960's came and it changed.

The counter culture movement was selfish, and immoral, and arrogant, and they were taken by the flesh with the rebelling against authority, and drugs, and laziness, and free love, and sexual immorality.

The morals, and values, started to slip, and they were becoming more fleshy, and immoral, more selfish, more arrogant, more self exalting, and with technology advancing, which caused money, and material things, to flow in America like a raging river, it brought out high selfishness, and arrogance among the people which caused them to not like each other as much as they thought people basically only care about themselves with little regard for anybody else, so you do not care about me, I do not care about you.

And then the attitude is get all you can get, and forget other people, and trust no one.

Which is why Jesus said since iniquity shall abound the love of many shall wax cold.

Bye Bye Miss American Pie.

With the counter culture movement, and technology advancing, it caused the slipping of morals, and values, and a lot of parents are not teaching their children the ways of God, for many of them believe in a God, but do not have the morality He wants them to have, and do not teach them about Jesus as they are not that interested in Christianity, or do not believe in Christianity, and many do not believe in a God, and Jesus.

Which is why the world is headed to the beast kingdom where they will not believe in a personal God, and believe the Bible according to the occult, and evolution, and people can still evolve, for the time will come that they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own lusts.

The new age movement, which God warns us of it, 1 Timothy 4:1-5, 2 Timothy 4:2-4.

God has to end this sin business on earth one day, and the new age movement is the beginning of the end, and one thing leads to another, for the hypocrisy concerning Christianity will get worse as time goes on.

Oh the parents will teach their children of Jesus in the future, and the Bible will win the religious war on earth, and be the favored of all books, and truth, among the religions, and Christianity, and Islam, and Judaism interpreted by the new age movement.

But it will not be the truth of the Bible, and it will not be the Jesus of the Bible, for to them he is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher in the evolutionary process and love, but not the final teacher, and an ascended master, and avatar, and the New Age Christ the final teacher in the evolutionary process.

The children are the future, and they are being influenced by ways not of God, but of worldliness, by many parents, and society.

But children will only act according to how the parents, and government, allow them to act.

And the Bible says fathers provoke not your children to wrath, for children are to obey their parents, but parents also have a responsibility to act right among their children, which many parents lack in doing that as many are immoral, jailbirds, breaking the law with illegal drugs, stealing, drinking and driving, cutting down the neighbors, cussing and swearing.

And the children think you are trying to tell me to act right, and you will not act right.

They say the children do not act like they used to, and what is wrong with them, when it is logical, and common sense why they act that way.

So whose fault is it, for children will only act according to how the parents, and government, allow them to act.

Pro 30:11 There is a generation that curseth their father, and doth not bless their mother.
Pro 30:12 There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.
Pro 30:13 There is a generation, O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up.
Pro 30:14 There is a generation, whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men.

The last generation.
 
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They had the Gospel once. They rejected it. The fathers made a terrible choice that their children must now live with. However, Romans does speak of those that sin without law are judged by their conscience. It is my view (and I believe Scripture supports it) that God knows when a man is truly and honestly seeking Him and will send the Gospel.
so anyone thats born into one of these groups are rejectors of the faith? and this is based on what? and the children are punished based on their fathers sins when our own bible says the Father does not do that. EZ 18
Jesus teaches anyone that seeks the Father is lead to the Father. but it sounds like your saying that unless a missionay from a mainstream Christian church shows up they are not really seeking.
 
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jaybird88

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Jesus is the only way to have a relationship with God in a spiritual sense, which in the Old Testament they could have a relationship with God but not in a spiritual sense to dwell with Him in the afterlife.
how did people like Elijah, Moses and Samuel have a relationship with the Most High?
where does the bible say Elijah, Moses, Samuel, etc are prohibited from being with the Father after death?