Paul's Revelation Gospel

[NayborBear]

If paul did not write words inspired from God, His words are useless. And should not be in Scripture Period.

There are several places in Paul's letters, where he "added", as a "sidebar", so to speak, where he gives his own interpretation, or advice, concerning any particular thing, or 2.

But, again? This is so much effort, "wasted", for the cause of "well?...I know the Bible better then you!"

Egadz! Solomon was right! "Vanity, VANITY! ALL is vanity!"

Ya think God cares, or is going to teach someone more, if one knows for a surety, whether Paul studied in the arabian desert by himself, or at the foot of Gamaliel, or whether, Paul's "study's" or instruction was from 3 or 6 years?

 

[Noblemen]

If paul did not write words inspired from God, His words are useless. And should not be in Scripture Period.

Seems Paul is to plain in speech. Then it's put in black and white plain english for all to see, that doesn't happen at first, usually takes time and hell before you get much movement from a person.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I don't recall where in the Bible, it told of Paul going into any desert, Arabian, or otherwise. Could be wrong, though.

Read and study the epistle to the Galatians.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Hebrews which is not a inspired tittle puts no difference between the two Israel's .

This is a very confused and confusing statement. Why would you say that the title of Hebrews is not inspired? And why are there two Israel's, since the Church is not Israel, and Israel in not the Church.

 

[John146]

There are several places in Paul's letters, where he "added", as a "sidebar", so to speak, where he gives his own interpretation, or advice, concerning any particular thing, or 2.

But, again? This is so much effort, "wasted", for the cause of "well?...I know the Bible better then you!"

Egadz! Solomon was right! "Vanity, VANITY! ALL is vanity!"

Ya think God cares, or is going to teach someone more, if one knows for a surety, whether Paul studied in the arabian desert by himself, or at the foot of Gamaliel, or whether, Paul's "study's" or instruction was from 3 or 6 years?

Paul studied the law from Gamaliel. Paul's knowledge in Christ Jesus came directly from the abundance of revelations he received from Christ. I would think most of these revelations came to him on Mt. Sinai in Arabia. See post #7.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There are several places in Paul's letters, where he "added", as a "sidebar", so to speak, where he gives his own interpretation, or advice, concerning any particular thing, or 2.

But, again? This is so much effort, "wasted", for the cause of "well?...I know the Bible better then you!"

Egadz! Solomon was right! "Vanity, VANITY! ALL is vanity!"

Ya think God cares, or is going to teach someone more, if one knows for a surety, whether Paul studied in the arabian desert by himself, or at the foot of Gamaliel, or whether, Paul's "study's" or instruction was from 3 or 6 years?

All scripture is God breathed.

Either God breathed the scripture or he did not. If there is ANY scripture whihc is not reliable or just a persons opinion outside the inspiration of God. We can throw the whole book out.

Just saying.

 

[NayborBear]

All scripture is God breathed.

Either God breathed the scripture or he did not. If there is ANY scripture whihc is not reliable or just a persons opinion outside the inspiration of God. We can throw the whole book out.

Just saying.

I realize that all scripture is "God-Breathed." Is that God's "thoughts", are higher then men's thoughts, and God's ways, are not "man's" ways. And, seeings how "cessation" has over spread the world, from the days when Christ, and His Disciples, and Apostles, such as Paul performed miracles, so as to lend a "NO-Doubt about it"..."THIS, is FROM God!" Credibility to their teachings, and words, and interpretation/s, it seems that all we are left to do, or can do, is merely, chase each other around and around, when it comes to interpreting those words and teachings, and how they may, or may not apply during these last days. Inasmuch as no one I know, has, or have performed any miracles, as to give credence as to how to interpret those teachings from some 2,000 years plus ago.

Perhaps, this is what the fulness of the gentiles might mean? As it just MIGHT provoke Israel to jealousy? So as to turn Israel TO Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth?

Come to think of it? I can't recall any of those first churches that were even started by Paul, and others, that there were ANY miracles performed! No mention at all, that I'm aware of in our "Canonized Bibles!"

Are we to think, or believe that those Miracles performed were just a "1 shot" deal, in "jump starting" the first churches? And, NOTHING else to follow, in at least giving us gentiles some "guide" that SOME ONE "got IT correct?"

Or, perhaps Paul, and company, "had it correct!" And NO ONE SINCE HAS?

Or, is it us gentiles have a "whole LOT to wade THROUGH", in "getting IT correct?" More, then what our "vanity", personal or collectively, can embrace?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I realize that all scripture is "God-Breathed." Is that God's "thoughts", are higher then men's thoughts, and God's ways, are not "man's" ways. And, seeings how "cessation" has over spread the world, from the days when Christ, and His Disciples, and Apostles, such as Paul performed miracles, so as to lend a "NO-Doubt about it"..."THIS, is FROM God!" Credibility to their teachings, and words, and interpretation/s, it seems that all we are left to do, or can do, is merely, chase each other around and around, when it comes to interpreting those words and teachings, and how they may, or may not apply during these last days. Inasmuch as no one I know, has, or have performed any miracles, as to give credence as to how to interpret those teachings from some 2,000 years plus ago.

Perhaps, this is what the fulness of the gentiles might mean? As it just MIGHT provoke Israel to jealousy? So as to turn Israel TO Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth?

Come to think of it? I can't recall any of those first churches that were even started by Paul, and others, that there were ANY miracles performed! No mention at all, that I'm aware of in our "Canonized Bibles!"

Are we to think, or believe that those Miracles performed were just a "1 shot" deal, in "jump starting" the first churches? And, NOTHING else to follow, in at least giving us gentiles some "guide" that SOME ONE "got IT correct?"

Or, perhaps Paul, and company, "had it correct!" And NO ONE SINCE HAS?

Or, is it us gentiles have a "whole LOT to wade THROUGH", in "getting IT correct?" More, then what our "vanity", personal or collectively, can embrace?

How did this digress into a cessationalism discussion?

As for the fullness of the gentiles. I think it means when the time of the prophesy concerning the gentil kingdoms comes to an end at the return of Christ.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

You must be reading your own version of the New Testamet..

In one instance Paul teaches he (his thinking, not Jesus) does not allow a woman to teach.

There are many instances where he openly gives his personal opinion.

If I am ignorant, tht is not hurtful that you say it, because all are ignorant of one thing or another..

If you need more examples of how Paul gives his own views, read his letters, there are many. God bless you for your efforts, and may He keep us all on His Way.

if we are talking about the gospel of christ, which I thought we were, then I am not referring ot his opinions as per congregations

this is not the first post from you that I have read, but let's just forget I said anything because these merry-go-rounds never go anywhere anyway...not referring to you personally

 

[garee]

Perhaps, this is what the fulness of the gentiles might mean? As it just MIGHT provoke Israel to jealousy? So as to turn Israel TO Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth?

Gentiles is another name for heathens as in natural unconverted man . The time of reformation had come. The outward Jew lost their identity to be used as a shadow up until the time of reformation .They are included in the time of gentiles. There is no reason to keep them separate after the reformation.

Come to think of it? I can't recall any of those first churches that were even started by Paul, and others, that there were ANY miracles performed! No mention at all, that I'm aware of in our "Canonized Bibles!

Sings as wonders were used to establish the identity of the reformed government up until the last book Revelation. God is no longer bringing any new revelations after any manner today. Satan is still permitted to bring a sign as a lying wonder or false source of faith.

Jesus said; its a evil generation. The generation of Adam as in natural unconverted man that does seek after one.

The last was the sign of Jonas which was fulfilled .

What was the reference "Canonized Bibles! about? Its sound like Catholicism trying to claim something?

 

[Absolutely]

How did this digress into a cessationalism discussion?

As for the fullness of the gentiles. I think it means when the time of the prophesy concerning the gentil kingdoms comes to an end at the return of Christ.

I think he is saying if we pretend there is no difference between the good news to the Jew /gentile preaching content,then we can likewise pretend God lost his power and anointing placed on the first church.
One God
God of power and anointing
One Gospel
2 peoples ,Jew and Gentile
Basic bible


It also say there is neither male nor female.
So why all the instructions to women?
Lets meld that one into some non existant concoction also.
Not being mean, just not seeing the point of clinging to some misunderstandings

 

[JaumeJ]

I think he is saying if we pretend there is no difference between the good news to the Jew /gentile preaching content,then we can likewise pretend God lost his power and anointing placed on the first church.
One God
God of power and anointing
One Gospel
2 peoples ,Jew and Gentile
Basic bible


It also say there is neither male nor female.
So why all the instructions to women?
Lets meld that one into some non existant concoction also.
Not being mean, just not seeing the point of clinging to some misunderstandings

I believe this is one of Paul' personal leanings which also coincided with man's traaditions at the time.

A soul is a soul...……….Jesus touches on this when asked by the Sadducees whose wife the woman would be come the resurrection…..she had been married to seen brothers successively, according to the laws handed to Moses.

We are placed here inour roles and we are to accept them as we understand. I understand all souls are the same come the resurrection, and we are to consider allhere as our superiors to some degree.

 

[Hevosmies]

You must be reading your own version of the New Testamet..

In one instance Paul teaches he (his thinking, not Jesus) does not allow a woman to teach.

There are many instances where he openly gives his personal opinion.

If I am ignorant, tht is not hurtful that you say it, because all are ignorant of one thing or another..

If you need more examples of how Paul gives his own views, read his letters, there are many. God bless you for your efforts, and may He keep us all on His Way.

I really would appreciate if you could provide examples from the Bible where Paul 'gives his own views'.

Could you provide me those examples? Please?

 

[JaumeJ]

You have read his lettrs, surely you have seen them! I only cited the one because I remember it well......
Idf you would like, I could go through the epistles but with macular degeneration it would be difficult, with hours of listening to text to voice.......

It strikes me as odd anyone would not have perceived Paul'occasional personal opinions.......

 

[dcontroversal]

If paul did not write words inspired from God, His words are useless. And should not be in Scripture Period.

The reason the lawyers, Pharisees, Cainologists and workers for cannot accept the words of Paul as inspired is because his words contradict their legalistic, working for, law keeping dogma.....

LISTEN....

a. JESUS was born, lived and DIED under the LAW which ratified the NEW Covenant <--his words MUST be viewed in this LIGHT
b. JESUS said he had MANY things to teach the DISCIPLES but they were NOT YET READY to BEAR IT
c. PAUL was taught by DIRECT REVELATION from JESUS and had his LAW KEEPING DRIVEL and Pharisee-ical ATTITUDE corrected
d. PAUL speaks the words of JESUS that the disciples were not yet ready to bear
e. PAUL was INSPIRED of GOD in EVERYTHING he wrote UNLESS he NOTED otherwise, and then as an INSPIRED APOSTLE did not write ANYTHING that contradicted the word of GOD.

END of STORY.......

 

[NayborBear]

Gentiles is another name for heathens as in natural unconverted man . The time of reformation had come. The outward Jew lost their identity to be used as a shadow up until the time of reformation .They are included in the time of gentiles. There is no reason to keep them separate after the reformation.

Seems like you are saying that "after the reformation"(whatever that means), there is no longer any "Jew?" If I'm "reading" you correctly here. And, the "blinded, in part", of the Jews, or Israel, are words that are simply to be "blown off?" IOW? Everyone is a gentile now? And, the fulness of the gentiles, in the "provoking them to jealousy", is just, what exactly? Just so much "fluff", as to provide just so much "eye candy" in the printed text? It's alright, for some one to say they don't know, concerning a matter. But, isn't it just a bit "sophmoric", to provide such a circular "non answer?"

Sings as wonders were used to establish the identity of the reformed government up until the last book Revelation. God is no longer bringing any new revelations after any manner today. Satan is still permitted to bring a sign as a lying wonder or false source of faith.

WoW! All these alludings to reformed, and reformational governments You sound like one of those "New World Order" "One World Government" kind of fellers. (Peace/piece, Peace/piece, is in their hearts!...RIGHT?)
The "rest" of your reply in this "block" (for lack of better term usage), is "spoken" (if you will) like a "trusting adherent" to the "tradition of man:" "Cessession Doctrine." Which, in these eyes, is just some "self perpetuating tradition" which Nullify's even more the Word of God. Giving even more credentials to the "Famine of the end times" prophecy. As if "mankind", especially Christ followers, need LESS the Word of God!

What was the reference "Canonized Bibles! about? Its sound like Catholicism trying to claim something?

Reckon I can understand your making claims concerning Catholicism. Noting my "Nuns With Guns" avatar. But, there are "other" books NOT included in the "canon", that, although, not as beneficial, as those that are included. They are, in my experience/s, Just as "profitable!" But, not so much for the newly converted, as there is more then enough, that is in the "canon!"
But, any alludings, or insinuatings, towards Catholicism? Are completely erroneous.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The reason the lawyers, Pharisees, Cainologists and workers for cannot accept the words of Paul as inspired is because his words contradict their legalistic, working for, law keeping dogma.....

LISTEN....

a. JESUS was born, lived and DIED under the LAW which ratified the NEW Covenant <--his words MUST be viewed in this LIGHT
b. JESUS said he had MANY things to teach the DISCIPLES but they were NOT YET READY to BEAR IT
c. PAUL was taught by DIRECT REVELATION from JESUS and had his LAW KEEPING DRIVEL and Pharisee-ical ATTITUDE corrected
d. PAUL speaks the words of JESUS that the disciples were not yet ready to bear
e. PAUL was INSPIRED of GOD in EVERYTHING he wrote UNLESS he NOTED otherwise, and then as an INSPIRED APOSTLE did not write ANYTHING that contradicted the word of GOD.

END of STORY.......

It makes sense, If you can not see a way to interpret it without condemning yourself. Discredit it, make it to be in error. That way you do not have to look at it. And you can excuse it away.

Its called hardening ones heart

 

[dcontroversal]

It makes sense, If you can not see a way to interpret it without condemning yourself. Discredit it, make it to be in error. That way you do not have to look at it. And you can excuse it away.

Its called hardening ones heart

I personally am sick of the anti-Christ attitude and spirit that discredits and then sweeps under the table Paul's inspired books......and the way they pit James and Paul against each other.....it is getting beyond ridiculous.........

 

[JaumeJ]

The only witness we have of Paul is from Paul. He was not prophesied nor is he counted among the TTwelve

The Twelve received all knowledge by meas of the Holy Spirit on the day we now call Pentacost. This fufilled Christ's words that they would be tught all later.

What I have posted here is true. Having said this, I learn from Paul all of the time, but I do not need to read Paul since the gospel of Jesus Chris is given by Jesus through HIs Twelve, andnothing will ever change of His gospel. Ask Paul, he teaches there is on the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

I do not, nor will I ever place any aposte before Jesus Christ when it comes to learn truth for His yoke is easy and His burden is light. It is written we shall all learn from God and I beliee because of the Presence of the hoy sPIRIT IN ALL WHO BELIEVE WE DO FULFILL THIS PROPHECY.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I personally am sick of the anti-Christ attitude and spirit that discredits and then sweeps under the table Paul's inspired books......and the way they pit James and Paul against each other.....it is getting beyond ridiculous.........

They will have to explain it to God one day.. Lets just pray they understand the truth before its too late