Is it correct that Jesus is in heaven at the right hand of God right now?

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JaumeJ

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Sure. But its to believers in Christ, clearly. So that includes you.

And btw: How can these jews in the tribulation find out WHICH BOOKS of the bible to read, since the epistles of Paul dont apply to them? Better hope somebody packs a new testament on the way to the wilderness.
The very first converts to the faith of Abraham according to our Lord, Jesus, learned all necessary from the then existing writings, the Old Testament.

If one's eyes are not blinded by the veil of Moses the Gospel is understood clearly in the Old Testament, the New Testament demonstrates how all has been fulfilled…...
 

Zmouth

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Is it correct that Jesus is in heaven at the right hand of God right now, according to 1 Peter 3:22?
Which heaven are you referring unto?

There is the expanse of space which forms thick the darkness in Genesis 1:1 called heaven and the cloud which was covers the earth like a garment that was formed by the firmament in Genesis 1:8 called heaven.

Since Jesus said the doctrine of Christ was the way, the truth and the life then according to 1 Peter 3:22 the correct answer could be Jesus is there, if one adheres to the Gospel regarding of the doctrine of Christ, otherwise no.
 

JaumeJ

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Jesus is the Right Hand of God……...He will always be.
 
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The early and latter rain refers to the nation of Israel not the Gentile world.
I was wondering why did Stephen see the son of man standing since JESUS had said to the high priest from now on you will see the son of man sitting at the right hand of GOD.

I was wondering why would Stephen see the son of man still standing when JESUS had went to the cross and from now on be sitting as judge.
 

JaumeJ

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I am believing when the reference of the original writings of the Word make reference to God's Right Arm………..
 

tanakh

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this is one of those things i have heard all my life yet it doesnt seem to add up. if the apostate Jews were crushed by rome why are they still chugging alone like nothing happened, they are calling together religious councils, organizing their own biblical canon just a few years after they were destroyed by rome, you would think they would be rebuilding their homes, towns, re organizing administration agriculture and all the rest just the same as every other defeated kingdom. establishing a bible canon, which was never important before, you would think would be the last thing on their mind.
why would the Jews all of a sudden break their alliance with rome? the anti-rome Jews at the time of Jesus were a very small group with little to no influence.
one thing that did change, the 1st church of Jeresalem lead by James - gone, the Essenes - gone, Nazarenes - gone. three groups that were all pro Christian, if not the first Christians all went underground.
The Jewish War followed on from previous judgements where God used a nation to carry out his retribution. The Jews survive because of the promises made to Abraham and his decendants not because of any intrinsic goodness on their part. I suggest you read up on the history of that period to get a clearer idea of what went on
 

John146

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I was wondering why did Stephen see the son of man standing since JESUS had said to the high priest from now on you will see the son of man sitting at the right hand of GOD.

I was wondering why would Stephen see the son of man still standing when JESUS had went to the cross and from now on be sitting as judge.
Jesus was standing ready to return and usher in the last days if the Jewish leadership would have received the preaching of Stephen. Instead, they stoned Stephen and Stephen asks the Lord to forgive them and lay not this sin to their account. In other words, give Israel another chance for they did it out of ignorance (similar to Jesus on the cross). The Lord would give Israel another chance to receive their Messiah, but would finally cut them off in Acts 28.
 

Hevosmies

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Jesus was standing ready to return and usher in the last days if the Jewish leadership would have received the preaching of Stephen. Instead, they stoned Stephen and Stephen asks the Lord to forgive them and lay not this sin to their account. In other words, give Israel another chance for they did it out of ignorance (similar to Jesus on the cross). The Lord would give Israel another chance to receive their Messiah, but would finally cut them off in Acts 28.
Tell me bro. do you believe that the Gospels are doctrinally for Christians today? Yes or No?
 

John146

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Tell me bro. do you believe that the Gospels are doctrinally for Christians today? Yes or No?
You will not find one Christian in the four gospels. Most of it is doctrinally written to the nation of Israel. Some of what Jesus taught is prophetic to the church.

The sermon on the mount, for example, is doctrinal to the Jews during the reign of Christ on earth. The gospel as we know it was not believed on until after the resurrection. The Lord would reveal the entirety of the gospel to Paul.
 

John146

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Tell me bro. do you believe that the Gospels are doctrinally for Christians today? Yes or No?
Can you show me where the gospel as we know it (the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ for sins) was believed on in the four gospels?
 

JaumeJ

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All who believe are the Israel of God with its capital yet with God, New Jerusalem to be brought down by Him..

I say, all who believe, knowing God knows the hearts of all individuals, thosee who csould call thmeleves whatever they do......ÇGod knows the hearts of men.
No named label will ever be authentification of anyone's faith.
 

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Can you show me where the gospel as we know it (the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ for sins) was believed on in the four gospels?
There were many who believed and who attended the churches set up by the Apostle Paul. Corinth, Ephesus etc.

Initially the early Christians met in one anther's houses.

And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart Acts 2:46.
 

John146

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There were many who believed and who attended the churches set up by the Apostle Paul. Corinth, Ephesus etc.

Initially the early Christians met in one anther's houses.

And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart Acts 2:46.
Agreed. I was talking about in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
 

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Agreed. I was talking about in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
Now when Jesus realized that the Pharisees had heard he was making and baptizing more disciples than John; although it was not Jesus who did the baptizing but his disciples; he left Judea and went back to Galilee.
(Joh 4:1-3 ISV)
 

Hevosmies

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Can you show me where the gospel as we know it (the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ for sins) was believed on in the four gospels?
I already know this song and dance.

You are pointing to 1 corinthians 15:1-4. And you think all the gospel is that Jesus died for our sins? Pray tell, why do we have the GOSPEL according to... Luke, mark, John. etc.

Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
 

John146

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I already know this song and dance.

You are pointing to 1 corinthians 15:1-4. And you think all the gospel is that Jesus died for our sins? Pray tell, why do we have the GOSPEL according to... Luke, mark, John. etc.

Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
The good news of the Jewish Messiah come to earth. The fulfillment of the OT prophesies concerning the King of the Jews and the establishment of the kingdom of Israel. The death, burial and resurrection was a mystery until after it happened.
 

John146

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Now when Jesus realized that the Pharisees had heard he was making and baptizing more disciples than John; although it was not Jesus who did the baptizing but his disciples; he left Judea and went back to Galilee.
(Joh 4:1-3 ISV)
Baptism is not salvation. Baptism is not the gospel.
 

Hevosmies

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The good news of the Jewish Messiah come to earth. The fulfillment of the OT prophesies concerning the King of the Jews and the establishment of the kingdom of Israel. The death, burial and resurrection was a mystery until after it happened.
How were people saved before Paul came along then? How were they saved when Peter was preaching after the resurrection?

Matthew 28:19-20 is after the resurrection. We are to teach ALL Jesus taught (past tense, during His earthly ministry) to ALL nations. Not just the Jews. ANd not just what Paul taught.
 

John146

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How were people saved before Paul came along then? How were they saved when Peter was preaching after the resurrection?

Matthew 28:19-20 is after the resurrection. We are to teach ALL Jesus taught (past tense, during His earthly ministry) to ALL nations. Not just the Jews. ANd not just what Paul taught.
The fullness of the gospel was not known until the revelation unto Paul. But the truth simple truth behind the resurrection was made know unto Jesus' disciples after the resurrection.