Sabbath

[Dan_473]

God's Law is Spiritual. Your unbelief doesn't change that Biblical fact.

I agree that God's law is spiritual. And I am a believer. This is different from believing that one obtains or maintains salvation by starting in the spirit and being finished in the flesh.

 

[Magenta]

Do we reject Passover because it is a mere shadow of things to come?

Jesus instituted a new covenant with the breaking of His body and the shedding of His righteous blood, which we now observe in what is often called the Lord's supper, where we eat of His flesh and blood through the bread and the wine (or grape juice), for He is our Passover Lamb, and said, "Do this in remembrance of me." Suggesting we reject the Passover seems a deliberate misrepresentation. The first Passover was a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

 

[Dan_473]

You are being dishonest with yourself and others if you are preaching that you follow His Sabbath 7 days a week. You have deceived yourself number 1, and you are in direct disobedience to His Spiritual Law number 2.

Ex. 20:
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Now why would you want me to live in direct violation of my Lord's Commandment?

Can I do "my work" during the week and not steal? Not Kill? Not Commit Adultery?

Sure I can, and so can you. Is it a sin to work for 6 days a week and walk in the Commandments of God? Of course not.

But is it a sin to refuse to separate the "Sabbath of the Lord" from the rest of the week? According to God it is.

So some men will choose God's Command, over the religious traditions of man that you are furthering, and some men will choose the religious traditions of men over God's Commandments.

I am urging you, in the love of God, to follow God's Word, and in your human love for me, you are urging me to follow man's religious tradition.

You argument sounds religious, quite smooth to the ears, but it defeats the whole purpose of God's Holy Sabbath. If you want to be "immersed in God" than why don't you start with doing things the way He says to do them. We will all need His Mercy in that day.

Ex. 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

If you are working for yourself 6 days a week, then you are not following God's instructions.

We have been bought with a price, we do not belong to ourselves.

As Christians we have died to the law and live to God. We have been crucified with Christ, and it is now Christ that lives in US.

Think about that for a minute, it is Christ that lives in US. Whatever we do, weather walking or talking, we do it in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

I think it is wrong for a Christian to think that they can work for themselves any amount of time.

 

[Dan_473]

You are being dishonest with yourself and others if you are preaching that you follow His Sabbath 7 days a week. You have deceived yourself number 1, and you are in direct disobedience to His Spiritual Law number 2.

Ex. 20:
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Now why would you want me to live in direct violation of my Lord's Commandment?

Can I do "my work" during the week and not steal? Not Kill? Not Commit Adultery?

Sure I can, and so can you. Is it a sin to work for 6 days a week and walk in the Commandments of God? Of course not.

But is it a sin to refuse to separate the "Sabbath of the Lord" from the rest of the week? According to God it is.

So some men will choose God's Command, over the religious traditions of man that you are furthering, and some men will choose the religious traditions of men over God's Commandments.

I am urging you, in the love of God, to follow God's Word, and in your human love for me, you are urging me to follow man's religious tradition.

You argument sounds religious, quite smooth to the ears, but it defeats the whole purpose of God's Holy Sabbath. If you want to be "immersed in God" than why don't you start with doing things the way He says to do them. We will all need His Mercy in that day.

Ex. 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

I am not urging you to follow human traditions.

I am urging you to be led by the spirit.

If you are led by the spirit, then you are doing God's work 24/7.

 

[Dan_473]

Ex. 20:
1 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

So in your religion, this is a mere shadow of things to come. So given it is a shadow, and not the very substance, do we reject it?

Do we reject Passover because it is a mere shadow of things to come?

Do we reject "Thou shall love thy neighbor as thyself" because it is a "Commandment", therefore a "shadow of things to come?

The Law and Prophets, are these also not a "Shadow" of things to come? Do we reject these as well? Where in the Bible does it say to reject the "shadows"?

I don't know how to answer a question about my religion, the religion I follow is to visit widows and orphans in their affliction and to keep myself on spotted from the world. That's the religion that the scriptures teach so I can't really call it mine.

So are you asking me questions about the religion that the scriptures teach?

 

[Dan_473]

do you embrace wickedness 6 days a week and sanctify yourself by ceasing for one?

or are you again saying something that should be done 24/7?

maybe you don't actually understand sabbath at all

a sad thing that can happen when people start keeping the Sabbath is that the begin to believe that they are immersed in the world 6 days a week and immersed in God Only One.

I have had regular jobs, and I go to regular grocery stores to buy food like everyone else in the USA, but I don't feel any more or less holy when I'm doing those things as when I'm resting or reading the scriptures or in church singing scripture songs in praise to God.

how is it that a secular Greek poet was aware that in God we live and move and exist, but many Sabbath keepers only experience that awareness on the Sabbath?

 

[Dan_473]

It is not unlawful to work 6 days a week, doing so is actually in obedience to the God of the Bible. It is unlawful to do our work on His Holy Sabbath.

"Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:"

So to work during the week is not embracing wickedness as you imply, rather, doing the Will of God, something the Christ said was essential for Salvation.

The implication that following God's instruction is somehow "embracing wickedness" or that I can't work during the week as commanded without killing, or stealing or cheating may be your religious tradition. But I don't believe that is what God intended when He created His Sabbath for man.

So in answer to your question, NO, I don't believe doing as God instructs is "Embracing Wickedness".



Maybe.

You are free to preach and believe anything you like.

I believe it is wrong for the Christian to work for themselves any day during the week.

 

[Studyman]

including do not bear false witness, do not slander, and do not let anyone judge you with regard to a sabbath, which is a shadow, the substance being Christ.

I believe I have a thorough grasp of your religion, gathered by your own posts that I have printed and studied. So yes, you call me a liar, David a liar and rapist and murderer, and you even have implied, in my view, that God is a liar. But these are your views and don't represent the truth, in my view, about me, or David, or the God of the Bible.

I don't believe God ever instructed to forget, reject, the Shadows of things to come. The entire Law and Prophets is a "Shadow" of things to come. I don't agree that one sentence in Col. 2 wipes out, alters, annuls, any of the "shadows" God created for our admonition. And I believe Paul knew what he was saying when he said not to let any man judge us for believing and observing these "Shadows of things to come".

You are free to choose to agree or disagree. I'm OK with that.

 

[Magenta]

I believe I have a thorough grasp of your religion, gathered by your own posts that I have printed and studied. So yes, you call me a liar, David a liar and rapist and murderer...

Do you deny that David was sexually immoral (to commit adultery), and a murderer?

 

[Studyman]

Do you deny that David was sexually immoral (to commit adultery), and a murderer?

I believe what God says about David. If the Christ took His sins away, then far be it from me to judge him as guilty. I also don't want to use this example written for our admonition as an excuse for my rebellion or disrespect for the Word of God.

"Well David sinned"

There is a message, a lesson we are to learn from the story of David IMO. I don't believe the message God intended for me to learn is that David is a murderer and a liar.

According to the Word of God, David paid a steep price for his rebellion. I don't believe God wants me to add to his punishment by piling on, or by using him as an excuse for sin.

2 SAm. 12:14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.

I will never use these scriptures as an excuse for sins. And I will never look on the nakedness of the Apple of God's Eye.

That is my position Megenta, I hope I have described it sufficiently .

 

[Studyman]

I believe it is wrong for the Christian to work for themselves any day during the week.

I believe it is wrong to disobey God.

 

[Magenta]

I believe what God says about David. If the Christ took His sins away, then far be it from me to judge him as guilty. I also don't want to use this example written for our admonition as an excuse for my rebellion or disrespect for the Word of God.

"Well David sinned"

There is a message, a lesson we are to learn from the story of David IMO. I don't believe the message God intended for me to learn is that David is a murderer and a liar.

According to the Word of God, David paid a steep price for his rebellion. I don't believe God wants me to add to his punishment by piling on, or by using him as an excuse for sin.

2 SAm. 12:14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.

I will never use these scriptures as an excuse for sins. And I will never look on the nakedness of the Apple of God's Eye.

That is my position Megenta, I hope I have described it sufficiently .

Sounds like you are saying you see David as not guilty, but God punished him. We all stand guilty before a holy and righteous God, but there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus, for we are washed in the blood of the Passover Lamb, having put on His righteousness. I don't see where anyone acknowledging that David was a sinner in need of God's grace means they are going to use that as an excuse to sin. We are all sinners in need of God's saving grace.

 

[Studyman]

Sounds like you are saying you see David as not guilty, but God punished him. We all stand guilty before a holy and righteous God, but there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus, for we are washed in the blood of the Passover Lamb, having put on His righteousness. I don't see where anyone acknowledging that David was a sinner in need of God's grace means they are going to use that as an excuse to sin. We are all sinners in need of God's saving grace.

Like I said, for me it's about what God says and what the lesson is.

13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

I'm good with that.

 

[Magenta]

Like I said, for me it's about what God says and what the lesson is.

13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

I'm good with that.

What is the lesson when you say David was punished for sins that were put away?

 

[posthuman]

So to work during the week is not embracing wickedness as you imply,

i implied no such thing.

you are either amazingly incapable of understanding simple statements or you are deliberately, wickedly slanderous: a dunce or a liar.

 

[Studyman]

What is the lesson when you say David was punished for sins that were put away?

First, this isn't about what I say.

13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.
14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.

The lesson was not that David is a rapist, liar and murderer.

If we can agree to that truth, then perhaps we can discuss the lesson God gave us through the life of David.

 

[Magenta]

First, this isn't about what I say.

13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.
14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.

The lesson was not that David is a rapist, liar and murderer.

If we can agree to that truth, then perhaps we can discuss the lesson God gave us through the life of David.

If David was not a murderer rapist and liar, why was he punished? Acknowledging David as a murderer and liar does not mean we reject God's favor and grace upon him. And David did die.

 

[Studyman]

i implied no such thing.

you are either amazingly incapable of understanding simple statements or you are deliberately, wickedly slanderous: a dunce or a liar.

"do you embrace wickedness 6 days a week and sanctify yourself by ceasing for one?"


Maybe I'm just tired of your BS.

 

[Studyman]

If David was not a murderer rapist and liar, why was he punished? Acknowledging David as a murderer and liar does not mean we reject God's favor and grace upon him. And David did die.

In the conversation I was having with a person, not you, there was no mention of "mercy" or "Grace", just that David was a liar, murderer and rapist. If I asked God today, who was David? I'm quite sure He wouldn't tell me David was a liar, murderer and rapist.

If this offends you I don't know what to say. I don't think we should look on the nakedness of our Spiritual Peers.

You are perfectly free to do as you please. You asked me and I gave my position. It's OK if you don't agree. But to save you some energy, I will not be persuaded to look on the nakedness of David. As far as I'm concerned, He is an example of Faith that I am to mirror. You can say his faith was murder, rape and liar if that is the lesson you believe God gave us. You are free to say and believe as your wish.

We just disagree about David. I'm OK with that.

 

[Studyman]

Jesus instituted a new covenant with the breaking of His body and the shedding of His righteous blood, which we now observe in what is often called the Lord's supper, where we eat of His flesh and blood through the bread and the wine (or grape juice), for He is our Passover Lamb, and said, "Do this in remembrance of me." Suggesting we reject the Passover seems a deliberate misrepresentation. The first Passover was a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

All the Holy days are about the Christ. Some have been fulfilled, like Passover, and some have not. We are instructed by the Christ to continue to observe, in remembrance of this Shadow, even after it has been fulfilled. Remembering one while rejecting the others is not wise, IMO. I have yet to find where the "New Covenant" has anything to do with the annulment of God's laws, rather, How His Laws are administered, (He writes them on our heart) and how sins are forgiven. (His Blood) I can't find where the Christ teaches to reject God's definition of Holy, and replace it with man's definition of Holy. I don't believe it exists in the Bible, just the minds of religious man.

This same Christ, as the Word of God, also said to remember this.

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

The Holy Days of the Christ are not a huge celebration in Mainstream Christianity. Easter is. Christmas is, even Halloween. But not the Feasts the Christ calls "My Feasts", certainly not Feast of Unleavened bread or the rest.

While is it true that these "HOLY" Days of the Christ are a "shadow" of things to come, they are from the Christ. They are created by Him for us. He is the substance, they are about Him, that is why He said they would be here as long as heaven and earth are here.

In contrast, there are many High Days of Mainstream Christianity which are a shadow of nothing to come, and were not created by the Christ, but by religious man.

I believe the entire Bible warns and gives examples of listening to "Another Voice" besides the Word of God.

In my view Passover without Feast of Unleavened bread is like Faith without Works.