The Abomination of Desolation

[luigi]

Judaism does not make much sense.

They lost the city, they lost against Romans, they have no temple, they were even cast out of the land. They have no prophets, no Messiah, God is not talking to them.

Therefore they invented "rabbinical judaism", but its a fake religion.

To keep on topic: I have posted numerous correlating scriptures supporting the abomination that maketh desolate as the beast with ten horns, aka the Northern kingdom, who destroys numerous Middle Eastern nations, which will include the land of Israel. I then showed how the beast with ten horns/the Northern kingdom correlates with scriptures in Isaiah 28:18-20, on how the beast with ten horns/the Northern kingdom (referred to as hell) forms an alliance with the Southern kingdom (aka other Middle Eastern nations) to destroy the land of Israel with numerous aerial sorties, thereby leveling many cities.
This perspective would then account for scriptures describing a daily sacrifice in Daniel 9:27 as that of the lives that will be taken daily by continuous aerial sorties, that the little horn (aka the beasts mouth/aka the Antichrist) will put a cessation to.
Continuous aerial sorties over cities, especially Jerusalem, can also be realized will level every building, including the current Wailing wall, thereby making the Lords Word for not one stone on top of another valid.


Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

What have I received in return for my numerous postings of correlating scriptures in the Word providing a clear picture for events in the near future?
Answer: Mostly dogmas, not supported with scriptures and in contradiction to the correlating scriptures in the Word.

 

[Hevosmies]

Why do you think so?

Are you asking seriously?

Romans 11:25-26

Time of Jacob's trouble? Jesus returning to mount of olives (Zechariah 14:4)? Many many reasons. Kingdom of Israel restored (acts 1:6)

 

[trofimus]

To keep on topic: I have posted numerous correlating scriptures supporting the abomination that maketh desolate as the beast with ten horns, aka the Northern kingdom, who destroys numerous Middle Eastern nations, which will include the land of Israel. I then showed how the beast with ten horns/the Northern kingdom correlates with scriptures in Isaiah 28:18-20, on how the beast with ten horns/the Northern kingdom (referred to as hell) forms an alliance with the Southern kingdom (aka other Middle Eastern nations) to destroy the land of Israel with numerous aerial sorties, thereby leveling many cities.
This perspective would then account for scriptures describing a daily sacrifice in Daniel 9:27 as that of the lives that will be taken daily by continuous aerial sorties, that the little horn (aka the beasts mouth/aka the Antichrist) will put a cessation to.
Continuous aerial sorties over cities, especially Jerusalem, can also be realized will level every building, including the current Wailing wall, thereby making the Lords Word for not one stone on top of another valid.


Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

What have I received in return for my numerous postings of correlating scriptures in the Word providing a clear picture for events in the near future?
Answer: Mostly dogmas, not supported with scriptures and in contradiction to the correlating scriptures in the Word.

I have no problem with metaphorical explanation of "stone upon stone" - saying that its an expression of a total destruction beyond repair. No standing part of some wall is against the point.

I have no problem with saying that the wall is fake.

But I have a problem believing that apostles and Christ were walking in the streets of their city, talking about that what they see will be destroyed and Christ was actually talking about a totally different city rebuilt much later... it simply is not a valid theory regarding the context.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All this is true, but temporary.

Before the end there will be many of them getting saved.

If your talking about Jews, Paul says they all will be saved.

Sadly, Some do not like this idea, which baffles me as a christian, We should wish all people would get saved no matter what their background, we would wish they all repent.

 

[trofimus]

Are you asking seriously?

Romans 11:25-26

Time of Jacob's trouble? Jesus returning to mount of olives (Zechariah 14:4)? Many many reasons. Kingdom of Israel restored (acts 1:6)

Yes, seriously.

For I do not want you to be ignorant, brothers, of this mystery, so that you may not be wise in yourselves: A hardening in part has happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles may come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved.
R 11:25-26

What with this? All Israel means both Gentiles and Jews who become Christians.

 

[Hevosmies]

Yes, seriously.

For I do not want you to be ignorant, brothers, of this mystery, so that you may not be wise in yourselves: A hardening in part has happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles may come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved.
R 11:25-26

What with this? All Israel means both Gentiles and Jews who become Christians.

Uhh. It says when fullness of gentiles is come in that Israel will be saved?

 

[trofimus]

Uhh. It says when fullness of gentiles is come in that Israel will be saved?

I do not see any "when" in the text.

Paul says that God hardened part of the national Israel so that Gentiles can come in and this is the way all (true, spiritual, elected) Israel composed of both Gentiles and Jews will be saved.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

To keep on topic: I have posted numerous correlating scriptures supporting the abomination that maketh desolate as the beast with ten horns, aka the Northern kingdom, who destroys numerous Middle Eastern nations, which will include the land of Israel. I then showed how the beast with ten horns/the Northern kingdom correlates with scriptures in Isaiah 28:18-20, on how the beast with ten horns/the Northern kingdom (referred to as hell) forms an alliance with the Southern kingdom (aka other Middle Eastern nations) to destroy the land of Israel with numerous aerial sorties, thereby leveling many cities.
This perspective would then account for scriptures describing a daily sacrifice in Daniel 9:27 as that of the lives that will be taken daily by continuous aerial sorties, that the little horn (aka the beasts mouth/aka the Antichrist) will put a cessation to.
Continuous aerial sorties over cities, especially Jerusalem, can also be realized will level every building, including the current Wailing wall, thereby making the Lords Word for not one stone on top of another valid.


Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

What have I received in return for my numerous postings of correlating scriptures in the Word providing a clear picture for events in the near future?
Answer: Mostly dogmas, not supported with scriptures and in contradiction to the correlating scriptures in the Word.

the “abomination of desolation” is a term. One must interpret the “term” as it would have been interpreted in the OT.

The word abomination in hebrew means an object of filth, a detestable thing, an idol, an unclean thing, a vile thing, filth etc etc.. This is the object used to make the are desolate. It is not an army, it is not weapons, it is not weather or a catastrophy, it using a forbidden object to make a holy place unholy, period.

We also have precident, as Daniel said the first little horn of Greece would cause sacrifice to cease by placing an abomination which causes desolation in the holy place, when antiochus epiphanies slaughtered a pig in the holy of holies. Making it desolate.

The second little horn will do the same. By placing another abomination which causes desolation which again will cause sacrifice and burnt offering to cease. Jesus said we can see it, STANDING in the HOLY PLACE

It is not an army destroying a city or temple, It is not missiles destroying a city or temple, It is not fire destroying a city or temple. It is an idol or unclean thing placed in a sacred part of a temple rendering it desolate.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Uhh. It says when fullness of gentiles is come in that Israel will be saved?

Yes, when the fullness of the gentiles has come. What we have to do is determine what this means.

I believe it is the fullness of the gentile rule or control, as spoken of by Daniel the prophet. The 4 beast system, when Jesus destroys this kingdom, the time of the gentile will have been fulfilled and completed.

 

[garee]

lol,Genesis 2:4 ,,,generations ,aeon...

Yes two generations in the day he made "them" . The generation of Adam or called the evil generation in respect to this corrupted creation natural unconverted man and the generation of Christ not part of the rudiments of this world .One we live in ,in respect to these bodies of death as seen. And the other also created in the first six days when God was working. It will be revealed on the last day when this corrupted generation goes up in smoke.

 

[Hevosmies]

I do not see any "when" in the text.

Paul says that God hardened part of the national Israel so that Gentiles can come in and this is the way all (true, spiritual, elected) Israel composed of both Gentiles and Jews will be saved.

Oh okay you read it differently than me then. Well now I know there is an alternative interpretation. How do you see Isaiah 2? Is this new heaven and new earth? Or now?

 

[trofimus]

Oh okay you read it differently than me then. Well now I know there is an alternative interpretation. How do you see Isaiah 2? Is this new heaven and new earth? Or now?

"For in the last days the mountain of the Lord shall be glorious, and the house of God [shall be] on the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall come to it.
And many nations shall go and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will tell us his way, and we will walk in it.
For out of Sion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord out of Jerusalem..."
Is 2

I think its about the gospel spreading from Jerusalem to all nations. Last days of the old, pre-Christian world/age.

 

[Hevosmies]

"For in the last days the mountain of the Lord shall be glorious, and the house of God [shall be] on the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall come to it.
And many nations shall go and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will tell us his way, and we will walk in it.
For out of Sion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord out of Jerusalem..."
Is 2

I think its about the gospel spreading from Jerusalem to all nations. Last days of the old, pre-Christian world/age.

It would seem that way but it also says there wouldn't be any wars. What about that?

They will beat their swords into plowshares
and their spears into pruning hooks.
Nation will not take up sword against nation,
nor will they train for war anymore.

 

[ComeLordJesus]

Jews today were not there. The romans kicked all jews out. I doubt anyone knows the real temple mount

There is a really good book called the Temples that Jerusalem forgot by Ernest L. Martin. He talks about where he believes the Temple was. Go to the site Associates for Scriptural Knowledge and you will see where he believe the Temple really was.

 

[ComeLordJesus]

Galatians 3:17 also says that Christ confirmed that covenant.

Galatians has absolutely nothing to do with Daniel 9:27, since it is about the Tribulation.

 

[luigi]

the “abomination of desolation” is a term. One must interpret the “term” as it would have been interpreted in the OT.

Daniel 11:31 and 12:11 KJV describes it as "the abomination that maketh desolate".
You may wish to take the superficial old dogmatic approach without any scriptural support to the abomination that maketh desolate and see it as some sort of idol placed in a stone building; I, however, realize the beast with 10 horns who utterly destroys its victims, while stomping on the residue (Daniel 7:7), is the same as the Northern kingdom who overflows and passes over numerous Middle Eastern nations, including entering the land of Israel (Daniel 11:40-41), as the abomination that maketh desolate.
These are correlations in the Word. Correlations in the Word is how the Jews in Berea who often studied the Word knew what Paul was telling them was the truth, while the dogmatic Jews in Thessalonica with little study in the Word rejected Paul.

Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

Daniel 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

Acts 17:
10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.

11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

 

[trofimus]

It would seem that way but it also says there wouldn't be any wars. What about that?

They will beat their swords into plowshares
and their spears into pruning hooks.
Nation will not take up sword against nation,
nor will they train for war anymore.

As church is described as "mountain of the Lord, house of the Lord above hills" etc, I think there is no problem that the brotherly love between Christians is described as "swords into plowshares" etc.

 

[garee]

John 2:19 Jesus answered, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up again.”

Viewing a temple doesn't necessarily mean He was talking about that temple.

He was referring to the eternal temple not seen. Which is Christ in us, the living hope of the coming glory

In the new restored order which has taken place because the time of reformation has come. That which was used outwardly as a shadow for a temporal time period has disappeared .

God gave the Jews over to do what they should not of .They refused to hear prophecy but rather did whatsoever their mouths as oral tradition of the fathers desired. They had already in the time of Judges committed the “abomination of desolation” having men seen stand in the holy place of God rather than walking by faith the eternal not seen.

Immediately after Israel lost its place when Christ on the cross said it is finished. the outward Jew in respect to the flesh which was used as a parable for the time present as a shadow. The time of Jacobs trouble began .Men were rushing in to have men in the place of the unseen glory of God, the Holy place. The Pope for one sits there today .Any man that insists we need a man, as that seen, the temporal to teach us they are usurping the unseen glory of God for that of man seen .

God is not a man as us and neither is there any fleshly mediator that stands in the holy (invisible place of God, as the unseen glory)

The church which made up of many lively stone from all the nations of the world used to represent the unseen spiritual house of God is a representative glory having not received our new glorious in corruptible bodies.

The order is restored to our King of kings in heaven. Men walking by faith .The unseen glory as the Holy place is restored to the time of the Judges.

Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, (not called by God) and came to Samuel unto Ramah, And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations. (jealous of the created things seen of this world )But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the Lord.And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.1 Samauel 8:1-8

Those elders in 1 Samauel simply violated the warning not to worship and serve the things seen more than the Creator not seen who sits in the Holy place, the heavens .

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature (as that seen) more than the Creator(not seen) , who is blessed for ever. Amen.Roman 1:25

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There is a really good book called the Temples that Jerusalem forgot by Ernest L. Martin. He talks about where he believes the Temple was. Go to the site Associates for Scriptural Knowledge and you will see where he believe the Temple really was.

There is a thread in here where there is stuff posted about the current wall. And what many think concerning landmarks. Can’t remember the name.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Daniel 11:31 and 12:11 KJV describes it as "the abomination that maketh desolate".
You may wish to take the superficial old dogmatic approach without any scriptural support to the abomination that maketh desolate and see it as some sort of idol placed in a stone building; I, however, realize the beast with 10 horns who utterly destroys its victims, while stomping on the residue (Daniel 7:7), is the same as the Northern kingdom who overflows and passes over numerous Middle Eastern nations, including entering the land of Israel (Daniel 11:40-41), as the abomination that maketh desolate.
These are correlations in the Word. Correlations in the Word is how the Jews in Berea who often studied the Word knew what Paul was telling them was the truth, while the dogmatic Jews in Thessalonica with little study in the Word rejected Paul.

Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

Daniel 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

Acts 17:
10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.

11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Ok, we will have to agree to disagree.

I gave Scriptural proof, you do not see it thats not my fault
I gave you what the hebrew word meant
I gave you historical context of what the term meant.
I gave you what Jesus said, and taking him literally there is no way possible for you to be correct, unless you twist Jesus words or take a symbolic interpretation. Which jesus did not tell you to do.

If you do not like that a new temple may be built. And that sacrifice and offering may resume and God witnessed these fact that will occure. And use them to cause Isreal to repent. Thats fine, But do not twist the meanings of terms or words because you do not like what may happen if you take them literally.