Why Jesus is NOT coming soon
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Like you said, the vast majority are not living like christians. This number will only get bigger not smaller. Jesus is coming back for the minority, not the majority. Just because someone is called to be a christian and wears God's name does not mean they are saved. The bible says many are called, but only few are chosen...
Take a look at the number saved from the old testament- Revelation says 144,000. How many of God's people were called out of Egypt in the old testament? 600,000- and that isn't even counting women and children yet- which would at least double that number. 600,000 itself is a much greater number than 144,000- which means that not everyone who called themselves an Israélite was saved- just like not everyone who calls themselves a christian is saved. Do you know how many of the 600,000+ original people were saved from Egypt? Two- Joshua and Caleb.
Many are called, but few are chosen. Jesus is not coming back for the majority called, He's coming back for the chosen.
Take a look at the number saved from the old testament- Revelation says 144,000. How many of God's people were called out of Egypt in the old testament? 600,000- and that isn't even counting women and children yet- which would at least double that number. 600,000 itself is a much greater number than 144,000- which means that not everyone who called themselves an Israélite was saved- just like not everyone who calls themselves a christian is saved. Do you know how many of the 600,000+ original people were saved from Egypt? Two- Joshua and Caleb.
Many are called, but few are chosen. Jesus is not coming back for the majority called, He's coming back for the chosen.
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Ever since Christ ascended into heaven, we have been living in the last days, a grace period in which those of us called by Christ are to spread the gospel and His word to as many as possible before He returns for His bride, which will be those chosen by Him (the church). No man knows the day nor the hour, not the angels in heaven nor the Son of Man, but the Father only, and we are called to vigilant and ready at any time, for we know not when the master of the house cometh!
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No, I don't think that at all. I just believe everything His Word says, including what you call His "ridiculous warnings".
It is hard to believe in the warning of the Christ if one has been convinced that they are already immortal, already saved, and that much of God's instruction is against them, a burden created to keep them blind and in prison. Like I said, I can only show the warnings, I can't make a person have Faith in the God that created them.
It is hard to believe in the warning of the Christ if one has been convinced that they are already immortal, already saved, and that much of God's instruction is against them, a burden created to keep them blind and in prison. Like I said, I can only show the warnings, I can't make a person have Faith in the God that created them.
LOL.
Billy Graham the ecumenical preacher, loved by the world. Everyone and their mother was at his funeral, and everyone praised him. Had he been a real preacher (not into the ecumenical trash that he was promoting) he would have been cursed by the world and they would have been glad he was gone.
This guy was so ecumenical in fact he had catholics in his "revivals" and the catholic leaning ones in the crowd were led to talk to a catholic priest!
Yeah, what a blow that was.
He is gone, but another one will come.
Billy Graham the ecumenical preacher, loved by the world. Everyone and their mother was at his funeral, and everyone praised him. Had he been a real preacher (not into the ecumenical trash that he was promoting) he would have been cursed by the world and they would have been glad he was gone.
This guy was so ecumenical in fact he had catholics in his "revivals" and the catholic leaning ones in the crowd were led to talk to a catholic priest!
Yeah, what a blow that was.
He is gone, but another one will come.
Nit picking a flawed example,( in your opinion) doesn't change the fact that those just sitting on salvation will answer for their foolishness.
Pssst..... Parable of the talents.
Could be.
What is striking though, is that both noah and the wicked are dealt with immediately.
Basically both are initiated their portion PREFLOOD/PRETRIB.
You are right though about the warning to watch and be ready.
Those thar say the wicked are the ones raptured in mat 24, need to re read that.
They have the righteous not taken,but left behind preflood/pretrib
What is striking though, is that both noah and the wicked are dealt with immediately.
Basically both are initiated their portion PREFLOOD/PRETRIB.
You are right though about the warning to watch and be ready.
Those thar say the wicked are the ones raptured in mat 24, need to re read that.
They have the righteous not taken,but left behind preflood/pretrib
Hello Absolutely,
Just curious, who said that the wicked are raptured in Matt.24? In my previous posts I have made it clear, that the "one taken" group are the wicked, who will be alive and in their mortal bodies when they are taken.
First of all, the "one taken" group is being compared to the wicked who were taken away in the flood.
When Jesus returns to the earth to end the age, according to Matt.13:30, He sends His angels out to first gather the wicked, those who will have made it through the wrath of God alive. The angels will bring them to where Jesus is coming down to the area of Armageddon and they will all be killed by the double-edge sword which will proceed from the Lord's mouth, which is figurate representing the word of God.
"No,’ he said, ‘if you pull the weeds now, you might uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. At the proper time I will tell the harvesters, “First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat into my barn.”
The weeds are synonymous with the "one taken" group. The wheat is the righteous who will enter into the millennial period.
Just curious, who said that the wicked are raptured in Matt.24? In my previous posts I have made it clear, that the "one taken" group are the wicked, who will be alive and in their mortal bodies when they are taken.
First of all, the "one taken" group is being compared to the wicked who were taken away in the flood.
When Jesus returns to the earth to end the age, according to Matt.13:30, He sends His angels out to first gather the wicked, those who will have made it through the wrath of God alive. The angels will bring them to where Jesus is coming down to the area of Armageddon and they will all be killed by the double-edge sword which will proceed from the Lord's mouth, which is figurate representing the word of God.
"No,’ he said, ‘if you pull the weeds now, you might uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. At the proper time I will tell the harvesters, “First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat into my barn.”
The weeds are synonymous with the "one taken" group. The wheat is the righteous who will enter into the millennial period.
Taken in 1 thes 4 is what we normally label as the raprure.
We see other raptures ,taken suddenly,in mat 24 and rev 14.
You are definately saying there is a rapture of the wicked before the gt.
The one taken,one left in mat 24 is not an apocolyptic setting.
They are working jobs.
You never addressed my points on why those taken can not possibly be the wicked. Nor does the gather them up first language fit. You are saying that the wheat is not harvested but only tares,with the wheat cut afterwards.
Nope,they are cut TOGETHER,THEN SEPARATED.
To imply that the two different plants are cut separately invokes yet ANOTHER impossibility. Two plants touching each other. Would take a year to accomplish that with some scissors.
They are most definately harvested together.
The field master FORBADE them to be cut separately.
Re read it. It was forbidden.
No way is mat 24 rapture the wheat and tares.
Ok,all those concepts of mat 24 being wicked taken do not fly.
Re read it in mat 24
THE VERY NEXT VERSE. Is "watch and wait"
The very next verse.
The rapture = watch and wait.
You have the wicked watching and waiting.
You are wrong on it friend.
We see other raptures ,taken suddenly,in mat 24 and rev 14.
You are definately saying there is a rapture of the wicked before the gt.
The one taken,one left in mat 24 is not an apocolyptic setting.
They are working jobs.
You never addressed my points on why those taken can not possibly be the wicked. Nor does the gather them up first language fit. You are saying that the wheat is not harvested but only tares,with the wheat cut afterwards.
Nope,they are cut TOGETHER,THEN SEPARATED.
To imply that the two different plants are cut separately invokes yet ANOTHER impossibility. Two plants touching each other. Would take a year to accomplish that with some scissors.
They are most definately harvested together.
The field master FORBADE them to be cut separately.
Re read it. It was forbidden.
No way is mat 24 rapture the wheat and tares.
Ok,all those concepts of mat 24 being wicked taken do not fly.
Re read it in mat 24
THE VERY NEXT VERSE. Is "watch and wait"
The very next verse.
The rapture = watch and wait.
You have the wicked watching and waiting.
You are wrong on it friend.
Didn't say that.
YOUR warning is rediculous. As if evangelizing is some threat to the kingdom.
Your position of sitting on your salvation is pretty awkward.
Read the sins of omission Jesus WARNED about ,since you are a warning centered believer.
Hmmmmm....looks like some are cast out over works.
James says faith with out works is dead.
Read the story of the good Samaritan.
You can not escape it.
You are "saved to do" = work
Not ; "do to be saved"
Religion says "do"....(to be saved)
Jesus says "done" ( doesn't mean sit on salvation)
YOUR warning is rediculous. As if evangelizing is some threat to the kingdom.
Your position of sitting on your salvation is pretty awkward.
Read the sins of omission Jesus WARNED about ,since you are a warning centered believer.
Hmmmmm....looks like some are cast out over works.
James says faith with out works is dead.
Read the story of the good Samaritan.
You can not escape it.
You are "saved to do" = work
Not ; "do to be saved"
Religion says "do"....(to be saved)
Jesus says "done" ( doesn't mean sit on salvation)
Matt. 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Just because a man preaches with a Bible in their hands doesn't make them righteous, or sent from God. I am not sitting on salvation, I am "enduring to the end" in Faith and Hope of Salvation. And sharing what He has shown me through His Word. This is why I'm on this forum.
I don't believe in a religion which transgresses the Commandments of God by their own man made traditions. I don't believe the Christ condones creating images of Him in the likeness of some long haired men's hair shampoo model, and then create "Feasts unto the Lord" in worship of this image.
I don't believe the Christ condones rejecting or "Omitting" any of His Father's instructions. So even though this huge religious path is followed by "many", has built gigantic building and churches in His Name, and even though they feed the poor, and do many other wonderful works, all in His Name, this doesn't mean I should reject much of God's Word and follow them or further their religious doctrines, many of which are counter to God's Word..
I fear "many" have been convinced, as was the Mainstream church of Christ's time, that they are free to create their own religion, their own image of God, their own religious "High Days" and "omit" much of the instructions of God.
All prophesied, all warned about, and examples given for us in His Word, for our admonition.
Man is not a threat to His Kingdom, nothing threatens His Kingdom. What can be threatened is my participation in His Kingdom.
Matt. 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
This has nothing to do with participating in some wealthy religious franchise. As though if I don't choose to belong to this religious franchise or that religious franchise I am somehow barred from His Kingdom.
I absolutely agree our Faith is shown by our Work's. But man's Work is a filthy rag. Only God's Works are Righteousness. Are we not to "believe" in Him?
Just because a man preaches with a Bible in their hands doesn't make them righteous, or sent from God. I am not sitting on salvation, I am "enduring to the end" in Faith and Hope of Salvation. And sharing what He has shown me through His Word. This is why I'm on this forum.
I don't believe in a religion which transgresses the Commandments of God by their own man made traditions. I don't believe the Christ condones creating images of Him in the likeness of some long haired men's hair shampoo model, and then create "Feasts unto the Lord" in worship of this image.
I don't believe the Christ condones rejecting or "Omitting" any of His Father's instructions. So even though this huge religious path is followed by "many", has built gigantic building and churches in His Name, and even though they feed the poor, and do many other wonderful works, all in His Name, this doesn't mean I should reject much of God's Word and follow them or further their religious doctrines, many of which are counter to God's Word..
I fear "many" have been convinced, as was the Mainstream church of Christ's time, that they are free to create their own religion, their own image of God, their own religious "High Days" and "omit" much of the instructions of God.
All prophesied, all warned about, and examples given for us in His Word, for our admonition.
Man is not a threat to His Kingdom, nothing threatens His Kingdom. What can be threatened is my participation in His Kingdom.
Matt. 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
This has nothing to do with participating in some wealthy religious franchise. As though if I don't choose to belong to this religious franchise or that religious franchise I am somehow barred from His Kingdom.
I absolutely agree our Faith is shown by our Work's. But man's Work is a filthy rag. Only God's Works are Righteousness. Are we not to "believe" in Him?
I believe Christ's new church will be the believers that have the fruit of His love and show, share it above all else. You can bare many fruits and Spiritual gifts, but without love, you are nothing. As the day of Christ's return draws nearer, there is one thing that I see happening. Believers and non believers will see the fruits you bare and desire your faith or be jealous of it. Those that desire it will be led to Jesus through the love of God that you represent because they will seek hope. Those that are jealous will mock and persecute you because there is no love in them.
My question sought to elicit a name from the person originally quoted . . .
What is this 'new church' you are speaking of? Is the present church not sufficient? Have the gates of hell prevailed against it? I Corinthians, chapter 13 was written to the existing church - so there is nothing 'new' in tinkling cymbals.
Do you believe that love will replace sound doctrinal teaching and preaching? In other words, should fellowship be the standard by which we judge a church, and not what they believe?
What is this 'new church' you are speaking of? Is the present church not sufficient? Have the gates of hell prevailed against it? I Corinthians, chapter 13 was written to the existing church - so there is nothing 'new' in tinkling cymbals.
Do you believe that love will replace sound doctrinal teaching and preaching? In other words, should fellowship be the standard by which we judge a church, and not what they believe?
We have been led to put one doctrine over another as a body of Christ when we should be united by His love. We as a body have placed judgement above seeking unconditional love and in the process, we have pushed people away from the Lord, including our fellow brothers and sisters. I for one don't believe there will be denominations in heaven...just those that share in the love of Jesus and His gift of eternal life.
My post isn't about starting an argument by any means. My post is about thinking more about the New Covenant He made with man. God can't be placed in a neat little box. At some point it goes beyond head knowledge and becomes heart knowledge as well through our personal relationship with Christ.
My post isn't about starting an argument by any means. My post is about thinking more about the New Covenant He made with man. God can't be placed in a neat little box. At some point it goes beyond head knowledge and becomes heart knowledge as well through our personal relationship with Christ.
The events of Matt. 24 parallel with Luke 17. This has nothing to do with a rapture.
Luke 17:34-37 "I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."
This simply points to a mass kill. The vultures feeding on those taken. The people left behind are not righteous, but they will be allowed into the millennial kingdom. God will have 144,000 young virgins with the HS, to not be transformed at Christ's coming. They will be planted into their tribes allotted land (see Eze. 48).
Luke 17:34-37 "I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."
This simply points to a mass kill. The vultures feeding on those taken. The people left behind are not righteous, but they will be allowed into the millennial kingdom. God will have 144,000 young virgins with the HS, to not be transformed at Christ's coming. They will be planted into their tribes allotted land (see Eze. 48).