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Ben, you are your own worst enemy. They misunderstand you, because you are not careful how you word things.
It does not SAVE YOU, nor will it KEEP YOU SAVED. James said look at his works, ONLY because in them, you CAN SEE that he LOVES THE LORD and LOVES THE BRETHREN. Therefore the LOVE that he has, is the PROOF, that HE REALLY WAS BORN AGAIN IN THE PAST BEFORE ANY WORKS CAN BE DO. THAT CONTINUANCE OF LOVE IS THE EVIDENCE, that he really was BORN AGAIN PAST TENSE, and that NEVER CAN BE LOST.
John 10:27-28 (HCSB)
27 My sheep hear My voice, I know them, and they follow Me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.
Philippians 1:6 (NIV)
6 being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of
Christ Jesus.
Can you see how you are wording your posts in a way that causes us to discern that you are promoting that Works have a Part in KEEPING YOU SAVED, which is a false gospel?
It does not SAVE YOU, nor will it KEEP YOU SAVED. James said look at his works, ONLY because in them, you CAN SEE that he LOVES THE LORD and LOVES THE BRETHREN. Therefore the LOVE that he has, is the PROOF, that HE REALLY WAS BORN AGAIN IN THE PAST BEFORE ANY WORKS CAN BE DO. THAT CONTINUANCE OF LOVE IS THE EVIDENCE, that he really was BORN AGAIN PAST TENSE, and that NEVER CAN BE LOST.
John 10:27-28 (HCSB)
27 My sheep hear My voice, I know them, and they follow Me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.
Philippians 1:6 (NIV)
6 being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of
Christ Jesus.
Can you see how you are wording your posts in a way that causes us to discern that you are promoting that Works have a Part in KEEPING YOU SAVED, which is a false gospel?
What do think it means when God cuts off the branch and takes it away. Do you think that could do with you not getting EL with him. It is a scriptural metaphor for what it takes to lose your salvation. Being cut off the true vine means you are no longer in line for EL.
If you do not produce fruit for the KOG, you will not be in the KOG. IOW you will not have salvation in the KOG.
If you do not produce fruit for the KOG, you will not be in the KOG. IOW you will not have salvation in the KOG.
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ben.... again
youre lacking context
John 15
1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
one of your mistakes is not seeing there are two sorts of brances here
branches that bare fruit
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"every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit"
"He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit"
and branches that do not bare fruit
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"If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned"
"As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself"
you are focused on the word "in" when this whole thing is largely an example of the power of CHRIST
compared to the lack of power in fakers
dont you know what judas already did and what was about to happen in context when this was said?
maybe you need to focus more on the whole message
including the word ABIDE
but this has NOTHING to do with the loss of salvation to a saved believer
and MUCH to do with two separate types of men (branches) in the same congregation
ben.... this is a bump but only because ive seen you post this same broken argument that ignores the gospel and the promises of Jesus
John 6:37-39
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
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News flash: benher thinks that God will send His dear beloved born again children to eternal hell for not producing enough grapes/works.
Benhur you are insulting our Savior Jesus Christ, God does not save His dear beloved children based on performance, and He sure is not sending His Children to eternal Hell because they fail to produce. What on earth is wrong with you. The vines that do not produce are "hangers on" "false discipes, like Judas Escariot.
I think benhur is interpreting scripture falsely and therefore has a false application. The idea that benhur is allowed to post this false gospel on an international christian forum is a tragedy.
Benhur, nobody on this forum believes you counterfeit gospel.
Benhur you are insulting our Savior Jesus Christ, God does not save His dear beloved children based on performance, and He sure is not sending His Children to eternal Hell because they fail to produce. What on earth is wrong with you. The vines that do not produce are "hangers on" "false discipes, like Judas Escariot.
I think benhur is interpreting scripture falsely and therefore has a false application. The idea that benhur is allowed to post this false gospel on an international christian forum is a tragedy.
Benhur, nobody on this forum believes you counterfeit gospel.
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Good works does have a part in keeping you saved. But good works on its own will not save you. It is Jesus that saves you, not your works alone. But Jesus is not going to save you in his kingdom, unless you continue to abide in him and he in you, and you continue to produce fruit for his kingdom. If you stop producing fruit he will prune you and purge you and help you to produce more fruit. If you find it too dificult to be engaged in the work of the Lord, then you willl not have EL with the Lord, it is just that simple. Saying I believe and doing what I believe are light years apart in the application of the word of God.
So I believe that good works alone will not save you, but saying I believe in Jesus Christ, and saying you have faith in Christ, and saying you trust in Jesus Christ, but have not good works or little good works for Jesus Christ will result in you branch being cut off, or pruned, or purged sharply to get you to come back into the vine and start producing fruit that will lead to EL.
So I believe that good works alone will not save you, but saying I believe in Jesus Christ, and saying you have faith in Christ, and saying you trust in Jesus Christ, but have not good works or little good works for Jesus Christ will result in you branch being cut off, or pruned, or purged sharply to get you to come back into the vine and start producing fruit that will lead to EL.
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Hey Benhur, the branches that are "cut off" are "false believers", "hangers on", like Judas Escariot.
You are insulting our dear Savior Jesus Christ over and over again as if the cross is insufficient to keep us saved.
Shame on you for repeating a false gospel over and over on an international forum.
You are insulting our dear Savior Jesus Christ over and over again as if the cross is insufficient to keep us saved.
Shame on you for repeating a false gospel over and over on an international forum.
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I believe that you must believe in Christ, have the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and become a new creature in Christ. I believe this new creature with the guidance of the Holy Spirit will do good works unto the Lord that have been given from the Lord to accomplish. I believe that through the grace of Jesus Christ one is saved in the KOG.
I believe in keeping the law of Christ, which is to cloth the naked, feed the poor, visit the imprisoned, take care of the widow and her children, seek justice for all.
Is this teaching false doctrine, and if it is, get me banned from this forum. You go do try it TT.
Flash: everything I have said is in the bible. Very hard to ban a person from a Christian chat room for teaching from the bible.
I believe in keeping the law of Christ, which is to cloth the naked, feed the poor, visit the imprisoned, take care of the widow and her children, seek justice for all.
Is this teaching false doctrine, and if it is, get me banned from this forum. You go do try it TT.
Flash: everything I have said is in the bible. Very hard to ban a person from a Christian chat room for teaching from the bible.
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