Retire the Ten Commandments?

EvangAlived · Sep 26, 2018

EvangAlived · Sep 26, 2018

dcontroversal said:

Ultimately, there are two covenants, sure (though there are many covenants (see for instance, Romans 9:4), but I get what you mean. They are indeed opposed.

The problem comes in thinking that the Ten Commandments are the 'old covenant', when that is not the case, as I showed earlier in brief, see Romans 3:31; Jeremiah 31:33, and just try to equatively swap out the words "law" (Ten Commandments) with the words "old covenant' and see if scripture is not then broken. This is just one of the many ways to demonstrate this.

The 'old covenant', is never called "my (God's) covenant" or "His (God's) covenant" which is associated with the eternal Law of God, the Ten Commandments.

The 'old covenant' is spelled out for us in Exodus 19:1-8, and again noted in Hebrews 8:6-8, "promises", "fault-...", "fault with them", which is what the peoples promised in Exodus 19 (again in Exodus 24, sprinkled with blood of a bull), see "All that the LORD hath spoken we will do." (Exodus 19:8).

The New (aka Everlasting/Eternal) Covenant is found given in the OT texts, Genesis 3:15; Isaiah 56:1-18; Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:25-29, 37:26-28, &c. and existed before the 'old covenant', as noted before.

We see again, in Galatians that Paul speaks of the two covenants, the one like unto 'works' (Disbelief of the promise of God and thus transgression came through self-righteousness, dead works of the carnal flesh) "Agar" and "Ishamel" is the 'old covenant' made at Mt. Sinai (Exodus 19, "All that the LORD hath spoken we will do."), by the 'fathers' (which set the childrens teeth on edge; Jeremiah 31:29-30), not made with any others before like it (Deuteronomy 5:3; for Abraham did not say, "All that the Lord hath said we will do", based upon "If", "then", but rather believed God's promise of the "seed" to come and child of promise, and because he believed he kept God's Laws (Ten Commandments) and taught them to his children (Genesis 18:19, 22:18, 26:5; John 8:39; Hebrews 7:9, 11:8; James 2:21-2, etc, even the "friend of God" (John 14:15, 15:14; 2 Chronicles 20:7; Isaiah 41:8; James 2:23, as Moses was, Exodus 33:11, and so many others))) of which they did not (even immediately transgressed with the Golden Calf), and the other of the freewoman, "Sarah" and "Isaac", which came through Faith, Hebrews 11:11, etc., and was thus obedience wrought out stemming from God's grace, love, promise, and faith given.

Those who transgress the 4th Commandment, are in the position of Hagar/Ishmael, since they doubt God is able to keep them from falling, to deliver them from sin (1 John 3:4), cannot grant them the victory over all, and so whatsoever is not of faith is sin (Romans 14:23), which leads to transgression of God's Law and self-justification, and self-righteousness (seeking to live by one's own manmade law/rules, apart from the Law of God, which is righteousness; Psalms 119:142,172). This is how it was from the beginning, with Adam and Eve, doubting God's word, thus led to transgression of the Commandment.

EvangAlived · Sep 26, 2018

mailmandan said:

Ad hominem again.

I'll swap ya, links, as this one has real Truth - http://www.pearltrees.com/awhn

Feel free to share that with the other.

Pro 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

Pro 18:17 He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him.

preston39 · Sep 26, 2018

The old and new covenants has to do with G-d's plan for our repentance and His forgiveness. G-d's commandments through out the Bible are our assignment. That's the reason for following the new and the old. If the new does not provide new guidance then the old is still applicable. Divorce is a good example.

UnderGrace · Sep 26, 2018

EvangAlived said:

I am not one to put much credence into writings by people who declare themselves to be inspired prophets.

I really think that Paul could have simply said "keep the law of the Sabbath" .......all these pages and pages of stringing together various scriptures, like little sound bites, really lacks biblical coherence and actually reminds me of fake news.

UnderGrace · Sep 26, 2018

EvangAlived said:

http://www.pearltrees.com/awhn/ellen-g-white/id1593382

Wow a lot of defending doctrine and people on that site, I wonder why?

mailmandan · Sep 26, 2018

UnderGrace said:

Amen sister!

You Be the Judge
Does Mrs. White Pass the
Biblical Tests of a Prophet?

https://www.nonsda.org/egw/egw35.shtml

EvangAlived · Sep 26, 2018

UnderGrace said:

See Hebrews 3-4 written by Paul. I'll be opening a thread soon on it.

EvangAlived · Sep 26, 2018

mailmandan said:

Been there, done that. See instead: http://www.pearltrees.com/awhn/ellen-g-white/id1593382

EvangAlived · Sep 27, 2018

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UnderGrace said:

Because people post 'the junk' (poor research, copycat stuff, misrepresentation, etc) as we have seen posted here, and so I post a response, and leave it at that, unless they continue to press it.

1Pe_3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

Pro_26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

Pro_26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

Eze_3:8 Behold, I have made thy face strong against their faces, and thy forehead strong against their foreheads.

There are those who withstand truth:

2Ti_3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

As Solomon said, there is nothing new under the sun.

Act_7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

There is a time (Ecclesiastes 3:1) to be silent (as Jesus, Luke 23:9), and/or say, "... I am doing a great work, so that I cannot come down: why should the work cease, whilst I leave it, and come down to you?" (Nehemiah 6:3), and then there are times to speak:

Act 13:8 But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation) withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith.

Act 13:9 Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him,

Act 13:10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

Act 13:11 And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand.

Act 13:12 Then the deputy, when he saw what was done, believed, being astonished at the doctrine of the Lord.

That those standing by may see the contrast of truth and error.

EvangAlived · Sep 27, 2018

"He who is trying to reach heaven by his own works in keeping the law, is attempting an impossibility."

preston39 · Sep 27, 2018

This anti position of doing G-d's works is only prevalent since the 1960's......a time of a moral and civil revolution which brought about several new age religion interpretations of scriptures there-to-before unheard of in the christian community.
It is designed to suggest to Christians that they should not do any work for Christ. It is intended to interfere with folks including in their righteous life what they should be doing as such contributory activities supporting Christ in a ambassador's position for His cause.

Don't be miss guided with negative comments about works for Christ...do them....as your faith and guidance to you through prayer direct you. I remind you that scriptures tell us that we will be judged on our......"works"......including rewarding us with the 5 crowns.

eternally-gratefull · Sep 27, 2018

EvangAlived said:

Jesus never broke one. Have you?

If you have, you are under a curse, as Moses said, and paul resaid, cursed is the one who does not obey every word, and as James said, if we obey every command all our life and fall in one aspecyt. We are found guilty of the whole law.

So anyway, Just like LGF and other before. Are you here to judge people who are no better or worse than you, because NO ONE KEEPS THE LAW AS REQUIRED. And puff yourself up as righteous when you are not?

eternally-gratefull · Sep 27, 2018

EvangAlived said:

Please allow me to begin with these.

Jesus said:

Mat_5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Heaven and earth are still here. Not all has been "fulfilled", for there are many prophecies concerning the 2nd and 3rd Advents to take place yet.

This reponse will take a few posts to explain, as it is involved in many texts, all co-related. Therefore, please give me the time and space to present it, and then feel free to respond.

The mocking question arises from the many who have gone out from us, from those who resist the truth, and from the skeptics, doubters and the blasphemous, (in general) “Do you stone the Sabbath breaker? If not, then you do not keep all of the law, and pick and choose what you want, being hypocrites and judges of yourselves, for if you keep not one point, you are guilty of all. You turn away from God's written judgment and replace it with your own self-righteousness, even a law of your own making.”

God's people have usually answered this question with, “No, we no longer stone the Sabbath breaker, for we are under the New Covenant, and therefore, that law no longer applies to Israel today.”

Yet, this answer, though plausible at first consideration, according to the scripture, the King James Bible, is actually, incorrect.

The true answer to, “Do you stone the Sabbath breaker?”, according the the King James Bible, is “Yes, all being a matter of Who, What, Where, When, Why and How.”

See for yourself.

The Law of God explicitly says:

Sins of Ignorance, No Knowledge:

Numbers 15:22 KJB - And if ye have erred, and not observed all these commandments, which the LORD hath spoken unto Moses,

Numbers 15:23 KJB - Even all that the LORD hath commanded you by the hand of Moses, from the day that the LORD commanded Moses, and henceforward among your generations;

Numbers 15:24 KJB - Then it shall be, if ought be committed by ignorance without the knowledge of the congregation, that all the congregation shall offer one young bullock for a burnt offering, for a sweet savour unto the LORD, with his meat offering, and his drink offering, according to the manner, and one kid of the goats for a sin offering.

Numbers 15:25 KJB - And the priest shall make an atonement for all the congregation of the children of Israel, and it shall be forgiven them; for it is ignorance: and they shall bring their offering, a sacrifice made by fire unto the LORD, and their sin offering before the LORD, for their ignorance:

Numbers 15:26 KJB - And it shall be forgiven all the congregation of the children of Israel, and the stranger that sojourneth among them; seeing all the people were in ignorance.

Numbers 15:27 KJB - And if any soul sin through ignorance, then he shall bring a she goat of the first year for a sin offering.

Numbers 15:28 KJB - And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the LORD, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.

Numbers 15:29 KJB - Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.

Sins of Presumption, Willful Ignorance, Stubborn Rebellion:

Numbers 15:30 KJB - But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

Numbers 15:31 KJB - Because he hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him.

The Presumptuous Sin of a Sabbath Breaker who knew His Masters Will:

Numbers 15:32 KJB - And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.

Numbers 15:33 KJB - And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.

Numbers 15:34 KJB - And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.

Numbers 15:35 KJB - And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

Numbers 15:36 KJB - And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.

This statute and punishment for disobedience was given directly by God [even Jesus] Himself.

- It applies to “the children of Israel”, and all, native born or stranger, within their “camp” [Numbers 15:35,36 KJB], property, “borders”, and/or “gates”, see Exodus 20:10 KJB.

Jesus was right, But not like you think, Jesus was right, when he said the law willnever go away, as long as their are unbelievers who still need that schoolmaster. The law is revelent, because they have to repent of their sin in order to come to Christ in faith, The law is what convicts of sin, it is the tutor.

Of course, As paul said, inspired by God. After we have been led by the schoolmaster. We no longer need it.

So why would you want to follow a law whihc can only condemn you, woud you not raither follow the law of Love as institutued by Christ?

eternally-gratefull · Sep 27, 2018

EvangAlived said:

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Because people post 'the junk' (poor research, copycat stuff, misrepresentation, etc) as we have seen posted here, and so I post a response, and leave it at that, unless they continue to press it.