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[posthuman]

God, knowing the end from the beginning, said that the Law would be their schoolmaster, to bring them to Christ - and when they then being complete in Him, they would be as sons, no longer under a tutor.

Deuteronomy 32 + Hosea 13 + 1 Kings 6 + Psalm 94 + Lamentations 3 + Isaiah 41 + Nehemiah 9 + Psalm 34 + Ezekiel 37 + Isaiah 43 + 2 Samuel 7 + Jeremiah 31 + Hosea 1 + Isaiah 19 + Isaiah 43 + Micah 7 + Genesis 21 + . . .

add it up
Galatians 4 doesn't just *poof* out of thin air.

 

[posthuman]

Did you not even read my post?

Of course you didn't.

have you sorted out the fact that by changing the priesthood the law is of necessity also changed? by your post, obviously you haven't.
i'm not going to waste hours of my life correcting every single line of confusion, slander and false witness you write. you reject earthly things told to you; why would i think you will accept heavenly things? physical circumcision is in the Law. it is not required of the saints. find out why. what happened to that jot and that tittle?

Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed to you as crucified.
the Word became flesh and was nailed to a cross.
sort that out, why this = salvation from death?

 

[Karraster]

you obviously don't understand what you are replying to.

• the fact that it the appearing of the Messiah was foretold doesn't change the fact in Christ we are not under the Law but grace.
• the fact that the Messiah is priest forever doesn't change the fact that in Christ we are not under the Law, but grace.
• the fact that He said hundreds of years before He did it, that He would make a new covenant not like the one He made at Sinai with the nation Israel does not change the fact that He made a new covenant, not like the one He made at Sinai with the nation Israel.

what the Bereans read is that God, knowing the end from the beginning, said that the Law would be their schoolmaster, to bring them to Christ - and when they then being complete in Him, they would be as sons, no longer under a tutor.

the Word was made flesh and nailed to a cross, so that whoever puts their trust in this will have peace with God.
why do you not believe that?
the crucified Word raised to life so that whoever has faith in Him will have life forever.
why would you act like this isn't true?

Please explain this to me:
2 Corinthians 6 14-18
Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever? Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said, "I WILL DWELL IN THEM AND WALK AMONG THEM; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.

 

[posthuman]

Please explain this to me:
2 Corinthians 6 14-18
Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever? Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said, "I WILL DWELL IN THEM AND WALK AMONG THEM; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.

Hosea 1-2, Psalm 32, 103, 130, Isaiah 1 & 43, Ezekiel 37.

 

[Studyman]

have you sorted out the fact that by changing the priesthood the law is of necessity also changed? by your post, obviously you haven't.
i'm not going to waste hours of my life correcting every single line of confusion, slander and false witness you write. you reject earthly things told to you; why would i think you will accept heavenly things? physical circumcision is in the Law. it is not required of the saints. find out why. what happened to that jot and that tittle?

Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed to you as crucified.
the Word became flesh and was nailed to a cross.
sort that out, why this = salvation from death?

Heb. 7:
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

This scripture shows us the Law was changed, and it shows in detail what was changed. Your unbelief in these scriptures doesn't make them void.

The more you preach, the more my understanding of your religion is validated. "The Word of God was nailed to the Cross". You got that part right, the Mainstream Preachers of Christ time "Nailed the Word of God to the cross" to destroy it. What you refuse to accept, as they also refused to accept, is that the Word of God didn't stay destroyed. It rose again and is alive and well. The same Word that was nailed to the cross, rose again and is still here. Making a show of them openly, and triumphing over them in it. As it is written:

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: (Word of God) I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

I don't believe your implication that the Word of God nailed to the Cross stayed dead, and that what rose in His place was "Another Word" different than the Word which was killed.

And I am willing to sacrifice many hours of my life showing you the errors of your understanding. And as long as you post reply's to me, I will continue to help a brother in need.

 

[posthuman]

the Word became flesh and was nailed to a cross, rising again the third day.

anyone who denies this is antichrist.

 

[posthuman]

Your unbelief in these scriptures

Matthew 5:11
Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

 

[posthuman]

your implication that the Word of God nailed to the Cross stayed dead, and that what rose in His place was "Another Word" different than the Word which was killed.

thou shalt not bear false witness

 

[posthuman]

the priesthood was changed.
of necessity the law was also changed, because the law says nothing about a priest of any tribe other than Levi.

therefore, some positive number of jots and titles passed away, in the very least with regard to those who have now a different priest, in the very least those words of the law which ordained Levi as priest.

how?

some people sure say a lot of words, without ever addressing this.
which is weird.
because even one single change of one single jot of the law presents a mighty big issue for people who so often quote 'not one jot or tittle'

 

[Dan_473]

I would prefer to acknowledge first that It was the Word of God that said "I am the Lord Your God which brought you out" of sin (Egypt)

In your religion, is this the same "Word of God" which became Flesh?

What passage are you quoting here when you say:
"I am the Lord Your God which brought you out" of sin (Egypt)

 

[Dan_473]

Of course no one ever said, suggested or even implied that God would turn us into the Messiah, or the Father He sit's by. But the scriptures does say we will be like Him and He is certainly a God, and He certainly has unlimited power, and eternal life.

I find your preaching fascinating.

If I ask my Master "what shall I do differently as a new man than I did as the old man"? He will say "Keep the Commandments".

But if I just go to Him and ask: "will you make me a creature that lasts forever with unlimited power like you" He will just give me the power no strings attached.

Interesting religion. I can see why it is so appealing.

That's not what I preach. I do not believe that we will have unlimited power at some time in the future.

 

[Dan_473]

I have always been astonished by your preaching on this.

The God of the Bible separates an entire Tribe of Israel unto Himself for a purpose, "Levites". He creates through them a Priesthood. And no other person was allowed to partake of this specific purpose. Part of these "Priesthood" duties consisted of sacrificial ceremonies for the justification of sins. All to foreshadow an Everlasting Priesthood which the Messiah would fulfill in "that day".

But you preach that these Priests were actually transgressing God's Commandments by following God's instruction to perform these duties that God separated them for. And further more, when the High Priest came, and was following and performing HIS Priesthood Duties that no other man was allowed to partake of. You also accuse Him of transgressing God's Laws, like the Mainstream Preachers of His Time did.

I am amazed how you just can't seem to grasp that it wasn't against God's Sabbath for a "Priest" to obey God's Instructions on it. But it was against God's Sabbath for someone other than a Priest to perform these duties. And how you and many others try and use the "Priesthood" to justify mans disobedience on God's Sabbath is amazing.

It is Jesus who said that the priests break the Sabbath and are Guiltless.

 

[Dan_473]

Whats up with this mult-post thing? You are not even touching on the things I am saying or asking you are just reply to each with one line in another direction. Fine to go in another direction but shouold also acknowledge or reply to what Im actually saying...



SO are you saying Gentiles are under the Noahide covenant? If that were true the Gentiles would have nothing to do wit hthe Messiah, Hebrews is clear the blood of Messiah ratified the Covenant spoken of in Jeremiah 31.



But you can;t have it both ways and be Scriptually true. If Gentiles are not in Jer 31 and in Noah COvenant then they have no part with the Messiah, if they are a part of Jer 31 then the Law is in the heart... Grafted into Israyl... as a native born...



I meant Yahshua/Jesus is the real Passover. The animal Passover sacrificewas a placeholder until the Messiah came and was the real Passover Lamb.

As Exodus 12 showed keeping the Passover is how a gentile was grafted in back them, in the same manner accepting Yahshua as the Passover Lamb not grafts a gentile in.

Exodus 12:47-49, “All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to יהוה, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is nativeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourns among you.”

1 Peter/Kepha 1:18, “knowing that you were redeemed from your futile way of life inherited from your fathers, not with what is corruptible, silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless.”



Everyone has their own intrepratation, to me, Eph 2 is proving everything im saying, about being a part of Israyl, and also, what is abolished?

Eph 2:16 "and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility/enmity."

added wored in italics in verse 14 will change the meaning... If the added words are correct then the Messiah is wrong in Mat 5 and Luke 16, I do not beleive the added words are correct.



I agree with this and never said it did. All Scripture must be considered in context and in it's spirit/intent. But every Scripture can be learned from 100%



If you have any thoughts go ahead. I think it is written this way because the 12 tribes were divided into 2 territories. 2 tribes in the south: Judea, and 10 tribes to the north: Israyl... I do not see a doctrinal difference in the division that has effect on anything concerning following the Most High.

I'm posting from my phone, so it's easiest to make short posts.

Which direction would you like us to take our discussion?

 

[Dan_473]

So when He was born, you preach that "ALL" was fulfilled? Or was the Promise of His Birth fulfilled? So when He was killed, you preach "ALL" was fulfilled, or was the prophesy of Him dying fulfilled?

Matt. 1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Matt. 2:
17 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying,
18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.

Matt. 8:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

Matt. 5:
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

My Master is still alive and is still my High Priest. He is still performing duties foretold of Him to this day and has yet to fulfill "ALL" that He has promised by the mouths of the Prophets to fulfill.

He said He "came to fulfill" ALL the Law and Prophets. I believe He will continue until ALL is fulfilled. That is my hope.

Jesus didn't fulfill all the prophecies related to himself when he came about 2,000 years ago. He did however fulfill the law and the prophets.

One reason I think this is because of the tents he uses when he says I came to fulfill. As far as I understand it, it would refer to a completed action. So, if Jesus was successful and I believe he was, then the law and the prophets are fulfilled. But not all prophecies are yet fulfilled.

 

[Dan_473]

SOunds like you just made that up, because I said the oppisite, and have told you oppisite than that for months now...

Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Abraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”

Jeremiah 31:33, “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Yisra’yl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people.”

I don't understand that. Are you saying that the Covenant that God made with Abraham is the same as the Covenant that God made with Israel when he brought them out of Egypt?

 

[Dan_473]

OK Ill explain why:

see how the same ovenant made with Abraham is CONTINUED until Israyl:

Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Aḇraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”

and we will add in Jer 31, showing this is the covenant made to Israyl also:

Jeremiah 31:33, “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Yisra’yl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people.”

Look for Hebrews explains it, this Covenant IS THE ONE ratified in the blood of Messiah:

Hebrews 10:14-19,, “For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are being set apart. And the Set-apart Spirit also witnesses to us, for after having said before, This is the covenant that I shall make with them after those days, says יהוה, giving My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I shall write them, (Jer 31:33)” and, “Their sins and their lawlessness I shall remember no more. (Jer 31:34)” Now where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer a slaughter offering for sin. So, brothers, having boldness to enter into the Set-apart Place by the blood of יהושע.”

Well... PS 89 shows "My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him" and King David never ratified the Covenent... Messiah did just as Hebrews 10 explains Jer 31...

the bolded words taking about the Messiah:

Psalm 89:26-37, “He will call out to Me; ‘You are My Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of My salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and His throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky.”

well, you do believe that a person can be under more than one Covenant at a time do you not?

 

[Dan_473]

All the prophecies have not been fulfilled yet, the most repeated prophecy in the wntore word is about His second coming, He has not yet returned...

Luke 4:17-21, “And the scroll of the prophet Yeshayahu was handed to Him. And having unrolled the scroll, He found the place where it was written: “The Spirit of יהוה is upon Me, because He has anointed Me to bring the Good News to the poor. He has sent Me to heal the broken-hearted, to proclaim release to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to send away crushed ones with a release, to proclaim the acceptable year of יהוה.” (Isa 61:1-3) And having rolled up the scroll, He gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all in the congregation were fixed upon Him. And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture has been filled in your hearing.”

Fulfilled already - To be fulfilled in the future

Isaiah 61:1-11, "61:1, “The Spirit of the Master יהוה is upon Me, because יהוה has anointed Me to bring good news to the meek. He has sent Me to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim release to the captives, and the opening of the prison to those who are bound,"61:2, "to proclaim the acceptable year of יהוה, and the day of vengeance of our Mighty One, to comfort all who mourn,"61:3, "to appoint unto those who mourn in Tsiyon: to give them embellishment for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness. And they shall be called trees of righteousness, a planting of יהוה, to be adorned."61:4, "And they shall rebuild the old ruins, raise up the former wastes. And they shall restore the ruined cities, the wastes of many generations."61:5, "And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the foreigner be your plowmen and your vine dressers."61:6, "But you shall be called, ‘Priests of יהוה,’ ‘Servants of our Mighty One’ shall be said of you. You shall consume the strength of the nations, and boast in their esteem."61:7, "Instead of your shame and reproach, they rejoice a second time in their portion. Therefore they take possession a second time in their land, everlasting joy is theirs."61:8, "“For I, יהוה, love right-ruling; I hate robbery for ascending offering. And I shall give their reward in truth, and make an everlasting covenant with them."61:9, "“And their seed shall be known among the nations, and their offspring in the midst of the peoples. All who see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the seed יהוה has blessed.”"61:10, "I greatly rejoice in יהוה, my being exults in my Mighty One. For He has put garments of deliverance on me, He has covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decks himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorns herself with her jewels."61:11, "For as the earth brings forth its bud, as the garden causes the seed to shoot up, so the Master יהוה causes righteousness and praise to shoot up before all the nations!”

Isaiah 45:21-22, “Declare and bring near, let them even take counsel together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has declared it from that time? Is it not I, יהוה? And there is no mighty one besides Me, a righteous Power and Savior, there is none besides Me. Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I am Strength, and there is none else.”

Isaiah 46:10, “Declaring the end from the beginning, and from of old that which has not yet been done, saying, ‘My counsel does stand, and all My delight I do.”

There are 2 "it is done" statements...

Fulfilled already
John 19:30, “So when יהושע took the sour wine He said, “It is done!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.”

Fulfilled already:
1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice(Passover), burial and resurrection (First Fruits – presenting Himself to YHWH)
2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice
3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever

To be fulfilled in the future:
4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever

To be fulfilled in the future
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment. The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Strength and he shall be My son. But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”

I agree that there are prophecies yet to be fulfilled.

I also believe that Jesus fulfilled the law and the prophets.

 

[Dan_473]

LOL no one can;t do somethingrighteous then do evil and the evil is good, are you insane? It is corrupt pharisee style to apper right and use that apperance to do evil... YHWH sees and knows all, men can be fooled YHWH canot not be fooled...

Exactly! So, let's start with Jesus saying that the priests break the Sabbath and are Guiltless.

 

[Dan_473]

If one is truly walking in the SPirit they will do as the Law and Yahshua says, what I see in America is every church is "led by the spririt" but every one teaches something different and teaches a different set of acceptable morals..

How to test the sprits to see if they are of Yah? Read the word, if they match they are of Him if they do not they are not of Him...

Isaiah 59:21, “As for Me, this is My covenant with them,” said יהוה: “My Spirit that is upon you, and My Words that I have put in your mouth, shall not be withdrawn from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your descendants, nor from the mouth of your descendants’ descendants,” said יהוה, “from this time and forever.”

John 4:19-26, “The woman said to Him, “Master, I see that You are a prophet. Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you people say that in Yerushalayim is the place where one needs to worship. יהושע said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you shall neither on this mountain, nor in Yerushalayim, worship the Father. You worship what you do not know. We worship what we know, because the deliverance is of the Yehuḏim. But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father also does seek such to worship Him. YHWH is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship in spirit and truth. The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming, the One who is called Anointed. When that One comes, He shall announce to us all. יהושע said to her, “I who am speaking to you am He.”







John 6:63, “It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The Words (Instructions) that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting.”

I'm really not concerned about how other churches describe walking by the spirit. Or if they feel they are. It's a Biblical concept that's what I'm interested in.

Walking by the spirit and being part of the New Covenant not of the letter but of the spirit are not the same as following the Commandments given by Moses, or through Moses, at Sinai.

Note that the Commandments at Sinai can be written with letters.

 

[Dan_473]

Matthew 5:11
Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

Yep, be happy, sing and dance!

(My paraphrase)