What should our views be on LGBT

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I didn't think I needed a yes or no since the no was emphatically implied in my post. I guess that went right over your head. My post got divided into 2 parts. Did you read the second part?

No I did read it .

I agree with your assessment that we live in a secular nation now. The major protestant denominations have been taken over by secular ministers who are there for access to the money. They are wolves in sheep's clothing. Gary North wrote a book Crossed Fingers detailing the takeover of Presbyterian USA by secular ministers defrocking Minister Mechan who was the last Christian minister controlling a pot of money. At present there are still gospel preaching sub denominations of the big ones. Presbyterian PCA and Lutheran Missouri Synod are the 2 I know about. A little less than half of the country attend church regularly. Only a splinter of them ever hear the gospel message. At an after evening invitational service I talked to a person who attended a Lutheran church and he heard the gospel message for the first time. I attend a Presbyterian PCA church.

At issue is how do we deal with non Christians. What does the Bible teach us? We are to love them. Is it love to get in their face about their sins? With our fellow Christian Christians we are to first approach them privately about their sins we see. We do this in a loving manner. If they don't change we are to approach an elder to help in the situation. With non Christians all we can do is to do what evangelism classes teach. Be a friend first. Then if they bring up the sin issue share the gospel message telling them that grace through faith in Jesus gives them the removal of their sins and helps them overcome the sin urge. They need to understand that that all of us sin but work to overcome those urges.

Giving love is the only way to reach them. Getting in their face about it just runs them off.

After all that, God said “Fear the Lord and serve him with all faithfulness. Get rid of the gods your ancestors worshiped but if serving and obeying the Lord is such a undesirable thing for you to do? Then choose this day who you will serve. But Joshua said “ But as for me and my House we will serve the Lord. I disagree with the statement of the " secular nation " the people of God have to either live for God or not. The issue is not how we deal with non-christians but m how God will judge the unsaved, and what we are doing to procliam truth. this is not about lutherans, and other protestant denominations taken over by secular. The issue is those who have laid down to false gods and are serving them. They do not have fear of the Lord anymore and have perverted the Love of God to accept sin.

 

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Been there and done that for years. I'm 73 now. Went to 3 churches (moved twice) and each had evangelism classes taught by an outside group. As elder and deacon in the churches it was mandatory for me to attend. Learned a lot from them each time. Much of the content was similar but each had some unique concepts. Cold calling was discouraged because it hardly ever worked. The way to accomplish the work was to make closer friends with unsaved acquaintances and work 1 on 1 with them. This method has a much higher rate of success.

Really what percentage of success? You should be able to provide that. I can tell you that our men’s homes and outreach has a 70% success rate. Many of our CR programs deal with the issues of addictions and many are set free from the sexual sins that once plagued them. ineach we did not have to become friends we just had to help them and speak truth in love it is very powerful what The Holy Spirit can do over trusting in church growth programs .

 

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Really what percentage of success? You should be able to provide that. I can tell you that our men’s homes and outreach has a 70% success rate. Many of our CR programs deal with the issues of addictions and many are set free from the sexual sins that once plagued them. ineach we did not have to become friends we just had to help them and speak truth in love it is very powerful what The Holy Spirit can do over trusting in church growth programs .

Are they doing cold calling or are engaging the people for a significant time? Your success rate implies long term person to person work. I have done both with the three churches I have been associated with. Cold calling was a lot of effort with little success. Don't remember any keeping track of percentages. We just rejoiced over the ones we bought to the Lord. At 73 and mobility issues that is past for me. Hate to not be able to do it anymore.

 

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Are they doing cold calling or are engaging the people for a significant time? Your success rate implies long term person to person work. I have done both with the three churches I have been associated with. Cold calling was a lot of effort with little success. Don't remember any keeping track of percentages. We just rejoiced over the ones we bought to the Lord. At 73 and mobility issues that is past for me. Hate to not be able to do it anymore.

In the context of “cold calling”, each situation is different. I have said that. Just as it was when Jesus preached. The Holy Spirit and the word the gospel is still the power of God for salvation. Once the word has been preached or presented; only the Holy Spirit can draw them. If they make a commitment, discipleship must start immediately. Luke and the “sower” Parable speaks to the “Word” being the seed and landing in good ground. The other examples of the seed landing Jesus spoke of is the issue of life and the devil who works to keep them unsaved “ less they believe.



ON the street, we engage people with the gospel message of Love, forgiveness, and power to live a life for God. We preach victory over addiction and liberty in Christ. But you do have to be committed to the person and have a plan to get them off the street, this is were men & women homes come in. The success once they are in the home for 1 year the success has been 70 % and even hire. For those addicted to homosexuality we provide support in a more personal and private ministry like “ Pure Life Ministries” with my dear friend Pastor Steve Gallagher. We are seeing men who have been addicted to pornography, homosexuality, come to full victory over it. The battle is not them come out the battle is So-called Christians and other gays who attack them after they have been saved and move from the “life style of homosexuality and speak openly of what God did for them. So we have to protect them from full demonic attacks of gays and the some churches.

 

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In the context of “cold calling”, each situation is different. I have said that. Just as it was when Jesus preached. The Holy Spirit and the word the gospel is still the power of God for salvation. Once the word has been preached or presented; only the Holy Spirit can draw them. If they make a commitment, discipleship must start immediately. Luke and the “sower” Parable speaks to the “Word” being the seed and landing in good ground. The other examples of the seed landing Jesus spoke of is the issue of life and the devil who works to keep them unsaved “ less they believe.



ON the street, we engage people with the gospel message of Love, forgiveness, and power to live a life for God. We preach victory over addiction and liberty in Christ. But you do have to be committed to the person and have a plan to get them off the street, this is were men & women homes come in. The success once they are in the home for 1 year the success has been 70 % and even hire. For those addicted to homosexuality we provide support in a more personal and private ministry like “ Pure Life Ministries” with my dear friend Pastor Steve Gallagher. We are seeing men who have been addicted to pornography, homosexuality, come to full victory over it. The battle is not them come out the battle is So-called Christians and other gays who attack them after they have been saved and move from the “life style of homosexuality and speak openly of what God did for them. So we have to protect them from full demonic attacks of gays and the some churches.

Like I said. Been there and done that with 3 seperate churches. The success rate of cold calling is very dismal. Every evangelism class I was in said the same thing. Making personal friends with non Christians and helping them and giving them aid is the best way to have a decent success rate. The problem is it takes us out of our comfort zone of only having Christian friends. But we need to obey the great commission. Accosting people on the street, knocking on their door, etc. is time consuming with little results. Personal relationships work much better. Did both and I am telling you both my experience and others I have been associated with. Worked with a man that had to cross a Baptist college campus twice a day. He was accosted almost every time
It didn't matter what he said they persued him till he left the campus. He finally found the way to get rid of them quickly. He immediately became a convert just to get rid of them. He as a result became a committed atheist! Cold calling can have negative results.

LIVE WITH REALITY!!

 

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Like I said. Been there and done that with 3 seperate churches. The success rate of cold calling is very dismal. Every evangelism class I was in said the same thing. Making personal friends with non Christians and helping them and giving them aid is the best way to have a decent success rate. The problem is it takes us out of our comfort zone of only having Christian friends. But we need to obey the great commission. Accosting people on the street, knocking on their door, etc. is time consuming with little results. Personal relationships work much better. Did both and I am telling you both my experience and others I have been associated with. Worked with a man that had to cross a Baptist college campus twice a day. He was accosted almost every time
It didn't matter what he said they persued him till he left the campus. He finally found the way to get rid of them quickly. He immediately became a convert just to get rid of them. He as a result became a committed atheist! Cold calling can have negative results.

LIVE WITH REALITY!!

again I don't know what did or where you have been the question is what is your success today ? Any evangelism class that does not hold to the Holy Spirit and the word of God is not going to be effective. If you think, the person became an atheist due to your understanding of what is cold calling. I will would like to remind you the word of God is not without effect. And knocking doors, street ministries, men’s homes and whatever program one does for evangelism & outreach will not work if the Holy Spirit is not in it. Or the word of God preached. Personal relationship I disagree. Discipleship is what is need and the return to the word of God. I find it funny how one will not admit the very method God used to win us will not work today. That is not true.

 

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again I don't know what did or where you have been the question is what is your success today ? Any evangelism class that does not hold to the Holy Spirit and the word of God is not going to be effective. If you think, the person became an atheist due to your understanding of what is cold calling. I will would like to remind you the word of God is not without effect. And knocking doors, street ministries, men’s homes and whatever program one does for evangelism & outreach will not work if the Holy Spirit is not in it. Or the word of God preached. Personal relationship I disagree. Discipleship is what is need and the return to the word of God. I find it funny how one will not admit the very method God used to win us will not work today. That is not true.

There you go again putting words in my mouth I didn't post. You obviously haven't dealt with the unsaved that get upset by the cold calling. They get very defensive much of the time and reject what you say. Keep in mind the accusatory method you are pushing. You basically get in their face and to them accuse them of being evil. While that is God's and Christians view it is a turn off to the person. You talk about the 70% success rate but you are dealing with these people over a signifant period of time. That means you are doing what I said works best. You are proving my point. You are not doing cold calling. With your statements I assume you adhere to the Armenian viewpoint. I am a Calvinist aka Reformed in my viewpoint. Do you know the difference?

Five Points of Calvinism and Armenianism
Arminianism vs Calvinism Controversial Passages
https://www.xenos.org/essays/calvinism-arminianism-controversial-passages

The five points of Arminianism (from Jacobus Arminius 1559-1609) are in contrast to the five points of Calvinism (from from John (Jehan) Calvin 1509-1564). The Arminian five points with the Calvinist points listed beneath it are listed below.

1.
Human Free Will--This states that though man is fallen, he is not incapacitated by the sinful nature and can freely choose God. His will is not restricted and enslaved by his sinful nature.
Total Depravity - - this states a man is incapable to choose God.

2.
Conditional Election--God chose people for salvation based on His foreknowledge where God looks into the future to see who would respond to the gospel message.
Unconditional Election - - God reached in and chose forcing the person to respond to the gospel message.

3.
Universal Atonement--The position that Jesus bore the sin of everyone who ever lived.
Limited Atonement - - Jesus only bore the sin for only those who choose him.

4.
Resistable Grace--The teaching that the grace of God can be resisted and finally beaten so as to reject salvation in Christ.
Irresistible Grace - - The teaching that when God reaches in and touches the person his grace is irresistible.

5.
Fall from Grace--The Teaching that a person can fall from grace and lose his salvation.
Perseverance of the Saints - - Once saved always saved OSAS.

Armenian
1. Free will
2. ConditionalElection
3. Universal Atonement
4. Resistable Grace
5. Fall from Grace

Basically, Calvinism is known by an acronym: T.U.L.I.P.

1. Total Depravity (also known as Total Inability and Original Sin)
2. Unconditional Election
3. Limited Atonement (also known as Particular Atonement)
4. Irresistible Grace
5. Perseverance of the Saints (also known as Once Saved Always Saved)

 

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There you go again putting words in my mouth I didn't post. You obviously haven't dealt with the unsaved that get upset by the cold calling. They get very defensive much of the time and reject what you say. Keep in mind the accusatory method you are pushing. You basically get in their face and to them accuse them of being evil. While that is God's and Christians view it is a turn off to the person. You talk about the 70% success rate but you are dealing with these people over a signifant period of time. That means you are doing what I said works best. You are proving my point. You are not doing cold calling. With your statements I assume you adhere to the Armenian viewpoint. I am a Calvinist aka Reformed in my viewpoint. Do you know the difference?

Five Points of Calvinism and Armenianism
Arminianism vs Calvinism Controversial Passages
https://www.xenos.org/essays/calvinism-arminianism-controversial-passages

The five points of Arminianism (from Jacobus Arminius 1559-1609) are in contrast to the five points of Calvinism (from from John (Jehan) Calvin 1509-1564). The Arminian five points with the Calvinist points listed beneath it are listed below.

1.
Human Free Will--This states that though man is fallen, he is not incapacitated by the sinful nature and can freely choose God. His will is not restricted and enslaved by his sinful nature.
Total Depravity - - this states a man is incapable to choose God.

2.
Conditional Election--God chose people for salvation based on His foreknowledge where God looks into the future to see who would respond to the gospel message.
Unconditional Election - - God reached in and chose forcing the person to respond to the gospel message.

3.
Universal Atonement--The position that Jesus bore the sin of everyone who ever lived.
Limited Atonement - - Jesus only bore the sin for only those who choose him.

4.
Resistable Grace--The teaching that the grace of God can be resisted and finally beaten so as to reject salvation in Christ.
Irresistible Grace - - The teaching that when God reaches in and touches the person his grace is irresistible.

5.
Fall from Grace--The Teaching that a person can fall from grace and lose his salvation.
Perseverance of the Saints - - Once saved always saved OSAS.

Armenian
1. Free will
2. ConditionalElection
3. Universal Atonement
4. Resistable Grace
5. Fall from Grace

Basically, Calvinism is known by an acronym: T.U.L.I.P.

1. Total Depravity (also known as Total Inability and Original Sin)
2. Unconditional Election
3. Limited Atonement (also known as Particular Atonement)
4. Irresistible Grace
5. Perseverance of the Saints (also known as Once Saved Always Saved)

scubala . I do not care about John calvin nor the armenian I never met any of them. I care only about what the Holy Spirit is doing and the word of God. tulip and all that other stuff has not been edifying in fact it's been used to tear down. unsaved getting up set? I guess you never seen a possessed person with a demon have you? You really don't know what your talking about . You sound like a guy who thinks that God will save who He wants to and I really don't need to share the gospel . I will just be nice and if they see my self-Righeousness they will ask to be saved Because they were elected or selected . hahahah

 

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scubala . I do not care about John calvin nor the armenian I never met any of them. I care only about what the Holy Spirit is doing and the word of God. tulip and all that other stuff has not been edifying in fact it's been used to tear down. unsaved getting up set? I guess you never seen a possessed person with a demon have you? You really don't know what your talking about . You sound like a guy who thinks that God will save who He wants to and I really don't need to share the gospel . I will just be nice and if they see my self-Righeousness they will ask to be saved Because they were elected or selected . hahahah

In 312 the Apostles Creed was created and the earliest document of it was 390. It along with the 2 Nicine creeds and the Athenasian Creed define what a Christian MUST believe. Everything outside of the creeds is to agree to disagree. Both Calvinist and Armenians have lengthy posts about their beliefs with lots of scripture backing them up. So in a sense you are rejecting what the Bible says about each point of view. You argue in ignorance. I have heavily researched both. While I tend to agree with the Calvinist view I also know that both sides are Biblical. This is outside of the creeds so it is to agree to disagree. Historically when the creeds were formulated the elders understood about all of the differing opinions about Biblical issues. Therefore outside of the creeds differences of opinion are allowed. This is the reason there are so many gospel preaching denominations.

Your sarcasm flies in face of scripture. Do you think that counts for nothing!! Why do you reject the scripture backing up both Calvinism and Armenianism. Your ignorance abounds.

Biblical Defense of Calvinism
https://www.fivesolas.com/tulipscriptures.htm

Biblical Defense of Arminianism
http://www.evidenceunseen.com/theology/calvinism-versus-arminianism/biblical-defense-of-arminianism/

 

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In 312 the Apostles Creed was created and the earliest document of it was 390. It along with the 2 Nicine creeds and the Athenasian Creed define what a Christian MUST believe. Everything outside of the creeds is to agree to disagree. Both Calvinist and Armenians have lengthy posts about their beliefs with lots of scripture backing them up. So in a sense you are rejecting what the Bible says about each point of view. You argue in ignorance. I have heavily researched both. While I tend to agree with the Calvinist view I also know that both sides are Biblical. This is outside of the creeds so it is to agree to disagree. Historically when the creeds were formulated the elders understood about all of the differing opinions about Biblical issues. Therefore outside of the creeds differences of opinion are allowed. This is the reason there are so many gospel preaching denominations.

Your sarcasm flies in face of scripture. Do you think that counts for nothing!! Why do you reject the scripture backing up both Calvinism and Armenianism. Your ignorance abounds.

Biblical Defense of Calvinism
https://www.fivesolas.com/tulipscriptures.htm

Biblical Defense of Arminianism
http://www.evidenceunseen.com/theology/calvinism-versus-arminianism/biblical-defense-of-arminianism/

No I am not arguing from ignorance it's people like you who turn off the lost and new believers because you argue over salvation with those who already saved. That makes you immature. That too is in the word of God; you can read it in Matthew 23. Moreover, HE says WOE to your type. Were done.

 

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Addendum
In point of fact while I have never knowingly seen a person possessed I have talked to ministers that dealt with the issue. What does that have to do with anything. At 73 and been an elder and deacon in 3 Reformed theology churches (moved twice) I have been involved in all aspects of church life. Served on several committees also
Enjoyed the Mercy Committee the most because we directly helped with their physical needs. Food, gas, paying utilities and once in a while rent or mortgage. Spiritual help was more complicated and esoteric. Preferred the deacon role over elder role. It was more clearcut.

 

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No I am not arguing from ignorance it's people like you who turn off the lost and new believers because you argue over salvation with those who already saved. That makes you immature. That too is in the word of God; you can read it in Matthew 23. Moreover, HE says WOE to your type. Were done.

Again you make false assertions. I never did what you in ignorance of me accuse me of. You keep putting words in my posts I never stated. Are you really a Christian? Your accusations are very unChristian. I never debate the points of Calvinism and Armenianism with normal Christians. That was reserved for discussion in deacons and elders meetings with 1 or more pastors present and they led the discussion. It was part of the education of elders and deacons.

Question!!
Are you a wolf in sheep's clothing. Your unfounded accusations sounds like one.

 

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Again you make false assertions. I never did what you in ignorance of me accuse me of. You keep putting words in my posts I never stated. Are you really a Christian? Your accusations are very unChristian. I never debate the points of Calvinism and Armenianism with normal Christians. That was reserved for discussion in deacons and elders meetings with 1 or more pastors present and they led the discussion. It was part of the education of elders and deacons.

Question!!
Are you a wolf in sheep's clothing. Your unfounded accusations sounds like one.

lol hey you are the one who has an issue with calling names I never called you ignorant or questioned your salvation, but that is what your types does when people don’t agree with you. Wolf in sheep’s clothing and Unchristian. By your standard of what one is I will thank you for the complement. what did I accuse you of in my ignorance? stating that the Holy Spirit and the word of God are needed for powerful Evangelism ? that both calvinist and armenian do more to divide then unite ? Or was it that those who WHO TAKE SIDES FOR EITHER ONE claim to be saved? . You keep saying P put words into your mouth :

did you not write :

"Been there and done that with 3 seperate churches. The success rate of cold calling is very dismal".
"With non Christians all we can do is to do what evangelism classes teach. "
Your success rate implies long term person to person work.
you obviously haven't dealt with the unsaved that get upset by the cold calling
Keep in mind the accusatory method you are pushing. You basically get in their face and to them accuse them of being evil.

you wrote all that again you think that being taught an mathod and yet assume one is
getting in their face and to them accuse them of being evil. ? never said that but yet you suggested one has done that. Just because you lack the ability to answer my questions and unable to refute my point don't attack and question ones salvation do what you said and worry about yourself. I doubt that you have ever been effective in evangelism . and it is clear it is because of your immaturity . I will pray for you.

 

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lol hey you are the one who has an issue with calling names I never called you ignorant or questioned your salvation, but that is what your types does when people don’t agree with you. Wolf in sheep’s clothing and Unchristian. By your standard of what one is I will thank you for the complement. what did I accuse you of in my ignorance? stating that the Holy Spirit and the word of God are needed for powerful Evangelism ? that both calvinist and armenian do more to divide then unite ? Or was it that those who WHO TAKE SIDES FOR EITHER ONE claim to be saved? . You keep saying P put words into your mouth :

did you not write :

"Been there and done that with 3 seperate churches. The success rate of cold calling is very dismal".
"With non Christians all we can do is to do what evangelism classes teach. "
Your success rate implies long term person to person work.
you obviously haven't dealt with the unsaved that get upset by the cold calling
Keep in mind the accusatory method you are pushing. You basically get in their face and to them accuse them of being evil.

you wrote all that again you think that being taught an mathod and yet assume one is
getting in their face and to5 them accuse them of being evil. ? never said that but yet you suggested one has done that. Just because you lack the ability to answer my questions and unable to refute my point don't attack and question ones salvation do what you said and worry about yourself. I doubt that you have ever been effective in evangelism . and it is clear it is because of your immaturity . I will pray for you.

I didn't call you ignorant in general but about your assertions about me since you don't know me. You made assumptions about me and my beliefs putting words in my mouth I never posted. Basically telling untruths about my beliefs. In essence lies. From that basic fact I make an assumption from this fruit of yours that lead me to view this fruit as non Christian. Jesus said by their fruits you shall know them. Your fruits about me were untruths. Why the prevarication? That is your fruit!!

 

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Addendum
A bit of Christian history.
Going back to the early elders I point out they created the Apostles Creed, the 2 Nicene Creeds, and the Athenasian Creed as the definition of the beliefs a Christian must have. Outside of them it was agree to disagree. At the time there were many disagreements about relatively minor issues, those not concerned with salvation. This continues to this day with the many different gospel preaching denominations. Your assertion that Arminian vs Calvinism is dividing is correct but ignore the fact the early elders had the same issue. You seem to ignore the directive to agree to disagree with each other over the relatively minor issues. You imply that you have the only truth. You also ignore that both Calvinism and Armenianism have sites giving a lengthy explanation of their beliefs listing lots of scripture defending their position. I suggest you Google them and read what they say. Here you go for starters. Keep in mind the early elders admonishment to agree to disagree over these issues.

Biblical Defense of Calvinism
https://www.fivesolas.com/tulipscriptures.htm

Biblical Defense of Arminianism
http://www.evidenceunseen.com/theology/calvinism-versus-arminianism/biblical-defense-of-arminianism/

 

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I didn't call you ignorant in general but about your assertions about me since you don't know me. You made assumptions about me and my beliefs putting words in my mouth I never posted. Basically telling untruths about my beliefs. In essence lies. From that basic fact I make an assumption from this fruit of yours that lead me to view this fruit as non Christian. Jesus said by their fruits you shall know them. Your fruits about me were untruths. Why the prevarication? That is your fruit!!

As I said you and people like you attack those who disagree with you then try to silence them with overly judgmental comments; like "this is your fruit, or tell someone in a " PC way you are not a Christian aka non-christian. which I too find funny because you say to use kid gloves on homosexuals and don't want to come across as judgemental, but you have no issue when a Christian disagree with you You sir are a hypocrite. Yes Jesus said you will know them by their fruits and He to said woe to you hypocrite. That is the fruit you have displayed here.

 

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Hey all,

I seem to never be on the same page with other Christians when it comes to LGBT issues. I see it as a disgusting sin that brings judgment upon the nations that accept its practice.

I'm always get accused of being judgemental, they say hate the sin not the sinner. However, I want no part of it, I cannot stand to know anyone who is LGBT. When in contact with them and despite becoming purely disgusted and very uncomfortable, I do treat them with respect just like any other person.

They see it as it's just like other sins, agreed, sin is still sin. But, this sin is praised and accepted throughout nations, practiced in communities, and accepted in churches. Would you praise a drunkard? Fight for rapist rights? Fly a flag supporting pedophiles? everyone sins, but no one should glorify it and it is against God's word.

We should never apologize for what the Bible's standards are. Regarding the gay life style, the Bible states with abundant clarity (these scriptures have been quoted extensively in this thread) that such a life choice is contrary to His requirements. We can agree or disagree, but those are the divine mandates. When the time comes for God to hold all humans accountable, then He will be making those judgement decisions. Until then, we patiently await all the while preaching the "good news"!

 

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First, no one is beyond the reach of God's hand. Our job on this earth is not to judge, but rather to present the gospel. Now, I am not saying that the whole LBTG Movement is not based on sin. It is! But, these people who don't have Jesus are no different than any other sinners.

We need to pray for these people as individuals, to come to Christ. They need to see the depravity of their sin and lifetstyle. But surely, loving them, and giving them a positive alternative is a better way to go? Gays and lesbians are people who need Christ. If we are not part of the solution of sharing Jesus, and praying for them, then we are part of the problem.

I also thnk we need to stand up to institutionalized promotion of the gay lifestyle. I was watching a new show - Station 19. It is only 5 or 6 episodes into the season, and men are romantically kissing men. So, I will not be watching that show again And I am going to write a letter to the network detaining how replusive that "kiss" was to me. It may not help, but it is one thing I can do to stand up to this whole lifestyle. I won't have it shoved down my throat. On the other hand, I will love and pray for those caught up in this lifestyle, for God to save them, and deliver them.

I concur that the gay lifestyle and a high acceptance of it are becoming fully embedded into the fabric of our society. As a high school teacher, I have numerous gay students (and this year a first for me, a girl who is in transition to become a boy) and legally I can not discriminate against them in any way. Of course, I would not even want to as they have the right to an education. But the issue is that this life style is becoming so acceptable and viewed with so much fondness by the younger generation that our Christian children have to be spiritually stronger than ever before in order to resist the falsehoods promulgated by everything the gay life style promotes.


Dave

 

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Am I wrong for finding it amusing that a mod is arguing with a member? lol