Does anyone know who started the winter celebration of Christmas?
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It still does not make it Sunday, Sabbath or any specific day of the week, it means "beloning to":
κυριακός
kuriakos
Thayer Definition:
1) belonging to the Lord
2) related to the Lord
Part of Speech: adjective
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G2962
Citing in TDNT: 3:1095, 486
Total KJV Occurrences: 2
lord’s, 2
1Co 11:20, Rev 1:10
You keeo saying that it's not the Sabbath, I never said it was as a matter of fact I said it was not any particular day. John was "in the Spirit" He was taken and saw visions... ON the day of YHWH, that is His return to gather the saints and recompense to evil-doers...
Jeremiah 46:10, "For this is the day of the Master יהוה of hosts, a day of vengeance, to revenge Himself on His adversaries. And the sword shall devour, and be satisfied and made drunk with their blood...."
Revelation 17:1-2, "And one of the seven messengers who had the seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying to me, "Come, I shall show you the judgment of the great whore sitting on many waters, (Rev 17:15) with whom the sovereigns of the earth committed whoring, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her whoring. 17:5, "and upon her forehead a name written, a secret: BAḆEL THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF THE WHORES AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." 17:6, "And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the set-apart ones, and with the blood of the witnesses of יהושע. And having seen her, I marvelled – greatly marvelled!"
Jer 51:7 Baḇel was a golden cup in the hand of יהוה, making drunk all the earth. The nations drank her wine, that is why the nations went mad!"
Do you not see John was "in vision" on "the Lord's YHWH's day" and John witnessed all the events of Revelation... and over and over the prophets when speaking of "the day of YHWH" it matches the events of Revelation...
Joel 2:28-32, "2:28, "“And after this it shall be that I pour out My Spirit on all flesh. And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men dream dreams, your young men see visions."2:29, "“And also on the male servants and on the female servants I shall pour out My Spirit in those days."2:30, "“And I shall give signs in the heavens and upon the earth: blood and fire and columns of smoke,"2:31, "the sun is turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and awesome day of יהוה, "“And it shall be that everyone who calls on the Name of יהוה shall be delivered.b For on Mount Tsiyon and in Yerushalayim there shall be an escape as יהוה has said, and among the survivors whom יהוה calls.” (Act 2:21, Rom 10:13. Isa 4:2-3, Oba 1:17, Rev 14:1)
κυριακός
kuriakos
Thayer Definition:
1) belonging to the Lord
2) related to the Lord
Part of Speech: adjective
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G2962
Citing in TDNT: 3:1095, 486
Total KJV Occurrences: 2
lord’s, 2
1Co 11:20, Rev 1:10
You keeo saying that it's not the Sabbath, I never said it was as a matter of fact I said it was not any particular day. John was "in the Spirit" He was taken and saw visions... ON the day of YHWH, that is His return to gather the saints and recompense to evil-doers...
Jeremiah 46:10, "For this is the day of the Master יהוה of hosts, a day of vengeance, to revenge Himself on His adversaries. And the sword shall devour, and be satisfied and made drunk with their blood...."
Revelation 17:1-2, "And one of the seven messengers who had the seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying to me, "Come, I shall show you the judgment of the great whore sitting on many waters, (Rev 17:15) with whom the sovereigns of the earth committed whoring, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her whoring. 17:5, "and upon her forehead a name written, a secret: BAḆEL THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF THE WHORES AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." 17:6, "And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the set-apart ones, and with the blood of the witnesses of יהושע. And having seen her, I marvelled – greatly marvelled!"
Jer 51:7 Baḇel was a golden cup in the hand of יהוה, making drunk all the earth. The nations drank her wine, that is why the nations went mad!"
Do you not see John was "in vision" on "the Lord's YHWH's day" and John witnessed all the events of Revelation... and over and over the prophets when speaking of "the day of YHWH" it matches the events of Revelation...
Joel 2:28-32, "2:28, "“And after this it shall be that I pour out My Spirit on all flesh. And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men dream dreams, your young men see visions."2:29, "“And also on the male servants and on the female servants I shall pour out My Spirit in those days."2:30, "“And I shall give signs in the heavens and upon the earth: blood and fire and columns of smoke,"2:31, "the sun is turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and awesome day of יהוה, "“And it shall be that everyone who calls on the Name of יהוה shall be delivered.b For on Mount Tsiyon and in Yerushalayim there shall be an escape as יהוה has said, and among the survivors whom יהוה calls.” (Act 2:21, Rom 10:13. Isa 4:2-3, Oba 1:17, Rev 14:1)
You object to "orthodox Jews". What language would you use to say that it was Jews who practiced what they were told to practice?
When I speak of "The Way" I am trying to tell you that the meetings they had was not called Catholic, Methodist, or such it was called "The Way". It is used as a noun, not a description in this case.
In our modern world churches preach not to listen to anything the Old Testament teaches. They do not understand Paul, so when Paul tells us that we are to listen to the Holy Spirit teaching us to obey God's commandments in spirit rather than in only legalistic ways, they teach to toss out all the Father shows us, calling it Judaism. I do not believe they are understanding God's word when they teach that.
Scripture does not tell us when Christ rose from the dead, whether it was Saturday or Sunday, It tells us when it was discovered that Christ rose. World of difference.
When I speak of "The Way" I am trying to tell you that the meetings they had was not called Catholic, Methodist, or such it was called "The Way". It is used as a noun, not a description in this case.
In our modern world churches preach not to listen to anything the Old Testament teaches. They do not understand Paul, so when Paul tells us that we are to listen to the Holy Spirit teaching us to obey God's commandments in spirit rather than in only legalistic ways, they teach to toss out all the Father shows us, calling it Judaism. I do not believe they are understanding God's word when they teach that.
Scripture does not tell us when Christ rose from the dead, whether it was Saturday or Sunday, It tells us when it was discovered that Christ rose. World of difference.
My words are plain and direct. There was no such thing as a religion called Judaism at the time of Jesus, unless you refer to Sadducee's and Pharisees as being of different denominations, and in this case you would be somewhat correct but not completely.
The structure of "religion before Judaism came into being was the Theocracy of Israel, not a religion or denomination, guided by Torah, the Prophets and the Writings., in other words the Tanakh.
To refer to "orthodox Jews" during the time of Jesus Christ is tantamount to referring to Catholics of His time on earth..........there was no such thing on either count. Yes, Judah was the last tribe given mention at His time as the people of Israel,but they were but oneof Twelve tribes.
The structure of "religion before Judaism came into being was the Theocracy of Israel, not a religion or denomination, guided by Torah, the Prophets and the Writings., in other words the Tanakh.
To refer to "orthodox Jews" during the time of Jesus Christ is tantamount to referring to Catholics of His time on earth..........there was no such thing on either count. Yes, Judah was the last tribe given mention at His time as the people of Israel,but they were but oneof Twelve tribes.
From the time of Eve's "eating the apple" the God that "Judaizers" listen to has made plans for our salvation. To listen to God the Father means that we celebrate the Father giving His Son for our salvation. People against our identifying with the Son, to die with Him to sin, because the Father is involved are wrong, not the people judaizers you are against. You are not going to achieve forgiveness of sin if you do not die to sin with the Son. You cannot serve and embrace sin in your life and still go to Christ for the forgiveness of the sin you embrace.
What is a fallacy is what I write? That God gave His Son? That you can embrace sin and ask forgiveness for the sin you embrace? That God the Father forgives, and gave His Son for this? That there are people who label anyone who loves God Judaizers, using that name to express contempt for people who try not to sin? Explain what is a fallacy in what I write.
A fallacy is an unsound or invalid argument. A straw man fallacy is used when someone presents a distorted view of a subject, then proceeds to criticize that distortion in the pretense that their criticism applies to the actual subject. In your post, you presented a distorted idea of what "judaizers" are, and criticized those who decry them. Judaizers are those who promote adherence to the Mosaic Law in contradiction to the Gospel of grace found in Jesus Christ. You defended a distortion; it's backward from a standard straw man fallacy, but fits the category nonetheless.
There is a massive difference between those who trust completely in Christ for salvation and sanctification and avoid sin by His power, and those who try to earn salvation or sanctification by following the Law or adding Law-adherence to grace.
There is a massive difference between those who trust completely in Christ for salvation and sanctification and avoid sin by His power, and those who try to earn salvation or sanctification by following the Law or adding Law-adherence to grace.
I refer you to the following site where they discuss this subject. Found it by a simple Google search. Try to verify your disagreements this way so you don't make a fool of yourself by assuming the point is false.
https://www.thoughtco.com/egg-laying-bunnies-and-mad-march-hares-2562459
https://www.thoughtco.com/egg-laying-bunnies-and-mad-march-hares-2562459
Oh..not THIS arguement again...dispite the topics of the OP the subjects ALWAYS go back to works= salvation..which day did God intend for the sabbeth in the Bible Saturday or Sunday..do we live by the law or not..etc..gets soooooo old amd so far off the OP (ps..not singling you out here..the "shoe" could fit a lot of people)
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You are trying to sit on both sides of the fence. You admit that through Christ you avoid sin, yet you label people who avoid sin.
Your idea that avoiding sin is only done by people who are trying to earn salvation that way is only in your own mind, no one has posted that. Scripture has promised blessings for avoiding sin but not once has salvation been promised for this in scripture.
Your attempt to marry law and grace is also questionable. We are unable to completely follow law because we are human, in the first place. When we die to the law through Christ and make God's spirit our guide we stop making the "old man" as it says our guide but follow the Lord. This in no way discounts grace.
You are not alone in your idea that law is a bad thing, or whatever brings these accusations on. I wish all law fighters would read the 119th psalm. It shows the truth of law.
Your idea that avoiding sin is only done by people who are trying to earn salvation that way is only in your own mind, no one has posted that. Scripture has promised blessings for avoiding sin but not once has salvation been promised for this in scripture.
Your attempt to marry law and grace is also questionable. We are unable to completely follow law because we are human, in the first place. When we die to the law through Christ and make God's spirit our guide we stop making the "old man" as it says our guide but follow the Lord. This in no way discounts grace.
You are not alone in your idea that law is a bad thing, or whatever brings these accusations on. I wish all law fighters would read the 119th psalm. It shows the truth of law.
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