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[justpassinthrough]

j...,

I am formulating the impression that ...Slayer...(note the name) ...is an atheist...or just an antagonist to the Christian forum community.

Very little .....if any...so far ....of his bible interpretations make any sense .....or have any semblance of meaning for the intent of G-d's word.

I have seen nothing that lends itself to a proper understanding of G-d's word........nothing.

I see a definitive element of miss leading ...on purpose.

I conclude his is part of his contributing to end time scriptures..........great deceptions will be present.

Unfortunately there are many that fit this description.



JPT

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God CAN NOT LOOK at sin..that SEPERATES us from God..thats why we need to ask forgivemess and THROUGH GODS GRACE He forgives and rememners it no more...

But..your last paragraph is spot on!

Yes he can’t, Thats what unless Christs blood, like the sacrifice of the blood of the lamb on the day of atonment covers our sin so God can not see what is against us, We are without hope.

Thats why Calvanism makes no sense (at least double predestination) because the priest gave sacrifice for all isreal on the day of atonment, Not just a select few. All. Just like Christ made atonement for all people. Not just a select few.

However, God will not force his gift on anyone, or prevent it from anyone who seeks, Free will is required in a loving relationship. Remove free will, and there is no relationship. Only a cause and effect. Which when you look at history of mankind, Does not bode well for Gods cause and affect relationship with mankind if that is the way he does things.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We didnt NEED to be saved before the world was created..there was no man and no sin that the man had done..there was God and the heavenly realm..

However, all who will be saved were predestined to be saved before time began Based on Gods foreknowledge,
Removing foreknowledge is the issue Not gods soverignty, Gods is soverign because he knows not because he has us all on strings forcing us to do what he will, including rejecting him, or comming to him in faith.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Correct. "Salvation" is not by means of our works. That is the meaning of this passage.

Correct, as jesus said, it is the work of God we believe.

However, what does this mean? Here is one aspect of where I believe the seperation between double predestination and free will grace occures.

 

[Jewel5712]

However, all who will be saved were predestined to be saved before time began Based on Gods foreknowledge,
Removing foreknowledge is the issue Not gods soverignty, Gods is soverign because he knows not because he has us all on strings forcing us to do what he will, including rejecting him, or comming to him in faith.

Yes ..God KNEW who would accept Him and who wouldnt but He WANTS ALL MEN..lol

 

[Magenta]

We were saved before the world was created, salvation has nothing to do with us. Lest any man boast

Salvation is of the Lord, but we sill need to repent and believe.

I would not call repentance and belief "nothing."

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes ..God KNEW who would accept Him and who wouldnt but He WANTS ALL MEN..lol

YES!! I agree

 

[Slayer]

You talk out of both sides of yoru mouth.

Yes, Sin is so disgusting God can not tolerate it. Which means your sin is just as wicked and intolerable then theirs

Yet God for NO REASON overlooks your sin (basically saying it is not evil) and does not overlook them to hell.

Your right, He will send wicked to hell. He will send all of us to hell if we do not humble ourselves and say YES to the gift he paid.

Your so afraid of trying to think your faith is your work that you reject the true love of God and make him a respector of persons.

A true father loves all his creation. Willing that no one should perish (hell was made for satan NOT MAN) But if man wants to chose to go with satan, He will not stop them, But he will not FORCE them to reject him or refuse to give them the ability to chose him, as your God does.

That is not what my Bible says, yes my sin is very bad. God didn't save me because my sin wasn't as bad as the next person, we don't know why God chooses to save some and leave others in their sin.
That's God personal business and anyone who sticks their nose into His business will lose it, so I advise you to be quite and know the He is Lord and don't ever question anything he does, you sin and blaspheme every time you do.

You are in no position to question anything God does, you are a fallen, totally depraved, wicked sinner so what business do you have questioning Gods motive for saving His elect.

 

[DianaO]

However, all who will be saved were predestined to be saved before time began Based on Gods foreknowledge,
Removing foreknowledge is the issue Not gods soverignty, Gods is soverign because he knows not because he has us all on strings forcing us to do what he will, including rejecting him, or comming to him in faith.

Which would mean that the only reason all were predestined to be saved were first predestined to be damned before time began based on Gods foreknowledge. That foreknowledge coincides with his planting the tree of knowledge in the center of the garden.

 

[Slayer]

Salvation is of the Lord, but we sill need to repent and believe.

I would not call repentance and belief "nothing."

Belief is a gift of God, it is "NOTHING" of us. We didn't choose to believe because we are smarter than the next guy, we choose to believe because it was given to us by God and it wasn't given to those who don't believe.

The worlds smartest and most brilliant minds are 99% atheist, this testifies to the fact that faith has nothing to do with IQ and everything to do with God enabling His chosen elect to believe. It also has nothing to do with how much we have sinned, God elected murderers and adulterers to be His Saints so we can see it has nothing to do with how good we are.

Salvation has "ZERO"!!!!!!!!!!!! to do with totally depraved sinners like you and me, it has everything to do with God.

 

[Slayer]

We didnt NEED to be saved before the world was created..there was no man and no sin that the man had done..there was God and the heavenly realm..

That's true for you, because you are a totally depraved fallen sinner who has a very narrow little view. But it's not true of God, He sees the whole of human history from the start to the finish.

This is the problem with you Armininas, you put God into your small mind and limit Him to your own understanding. You really should allow God to be God and you be the totally depraved desperate sinner that you are, that way everyone assumes their correct place.

 

[Slayer]

Then I reiterate what I'd said:




...an example would be, Lk19:12,15,17,19 ("have thou authority over ten cities"/"five cities") is about the time of His Second Coming to the earth (not at our Rapture [to, for, and about "the Church which is His body"]), and those saints then.

Yes, it's very important to understand scripture in it's intended context. Taking scriptures out of their intended context and applying them to create a false doctrine is what the Arminians have done.

You can't demonstrate any contradiction or errors in Calvinism, it's a Biblically sound and water tight interpretation of scripture. We believe the Bible as it is written, we don't add or subtract bits that we don't like as the Armininans do.

 

[Jewel5712]

That's true for you, because you are a totally depraved fallen sinner who has a very narrow little view. But it's not true of God, He sees the whole of human history from the start to the finish.

This is the problem with you Armininas, you put God into your small mind and limit Him to your own understanding. You really should allow God to be God and you be the totally depraved desperate sinner that you are, that way everyone assumes their correct place.

Soooo YOU are the mind of God?

 

[Slayer]

why would you throw away any scripture?

Gods inspired written word is perfect and flows together without anything needing to be added to or taken from it....

OK, if you believe that then let me know where we can find you to stone you for breaking the Sabbath law. I'm sure we will find many other sins to stone you for while we are at it

 

[Magenta]

Belief is a gift of God, it is "NOTHING" of us. We didn't choose to believe because we are smarter than the next guy, we choose to believe because it was given to us by God and it wasn't given to those who don't believe.

The worlds smartest and most brilliant minds are 99% atheist, this testifies to the fact that faith has nothing to do with IQ and everything to do with God enabling His chosen elect to believe. It also has nothing to do with how much we have sinned, God elected murderers and adulterers to be His Saints so we can see it has nothing to do with how good we are.

Salvation has "ZERO"!!!!!!!!!!!! to do with totally depraved sinners like you and me, it has everything to do with God.

Yet when I say, God rewards people for something they did not do (as per your beliefs), you say it is not Biblical, and repudiate the idea! You cannot reconcile these beliefs because they are irreconcilable. God making all things passible does not equate to God doing it all for us... unless you acknowledge you are just a puppet.

 

[Slayer]

Since when are any scriptures to be thrown away? Are we supposed to decide which scriptures we are to keep and throw away. Please explain how we decide which to keep and throw away? Most likely we would end blank pages.

There's not enough room to list half of the Bible here, but we can start by stoning you from breaking most of the Jewish laws which you claim are still valid

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Yes, it's very important to understand scripture in it's intended context. Taking scriptures out of their intended context and applying them to create a false doctrine is what the Arminians have done.

You can't demonstrate any contradiction or errors in Calvinism, it's a Biblically sound and water tight interpretation of scripture. We believe the Bible as it is written, we don't add or subtract bits that we don't like as the Armininans do.

Calvinism and Arminianinsm both misapply the passage you brought out: Lk19:12,15,17,19.

This refers to the time of His "RETURN" to the earth, and is not referring to "the Church which is His body" [that's us] (but the saints of that specific time period which leads up to His Second Coming to the earth FOR the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom).

This continual misapplication is what prompts Calvinism to change Scripture [elsewhere] to accommodate its [faulty] presuppositions.

 

[Magenta]

Salvation is of the Lord, but we sill need to repent and believe.

I would not call repentance and belief "nothing."

Since you put an "X" on this, Slayer, I take it you do not believe we have to repent and believe in order to be saved. Funny, since Jesus started His earthly ministry by calling men to repentance and exhorting them to believe in order to be saved. In your view, was He just blowing hot air for the heck of it, then?

 

[Magenta]

Yet when I say, God rewards people for something they did not do (as per your beliefs), you say it is not Biblical, and repudiate the idea! You cannot reconcile these beliefs because they are irreconcilable. God making all things passible does not equate to God doing it all for us... unless you acknowledge you are just a puppet.

I meant possible

 

[Slayer]

Soooo YOU are the mind of God?

No, but God has revealed the truth to me so I know everything there is to know about Him. The only things I don't know are those which He deliberately hides from His Saints, because it's not good to know everything about God.

"Christians" must remember who they are, before they question anything God does. When you start with the premise that you are a totally depraved, desperately wicked sinner with a filthy fallen small sinful mind than you can ask questions from your position. But it sounds absolutely stupid to hear such a person questioning Gods motives.