Does anyone know who started the winter celebration of Christmas?

[Blik]

There is nothing from God telling us to celebrate Christmas. If it was a celebration of His earthly birthday it would be in the springtime.

For the first 130 years after Christ the church was called "The Way". It was mostly made up of orthodox Jews who never thought of not following what the Father told them because they knew Christ died for their sins.

After they killed off the Jews in the war with Rome in 132 the leadership of the church fell to gentiles who knew more of idol worship than of worship of the Father, so one of them must have decided on the sort of celebrations our church has today. I have read some of the things these men wrote about. I have also read many of Constantine's letters and commentaries. Constantine was the most outspoken about not celebrating Passover because the Jews who were not to be followed celebrated this, but he asked for an Easter celebration. But I haven't read about who asked the church to celebrate Christmas.

 

[Deuteronomy]

Found this: https://www.whychristmas.com/customs/25th.shtml

The first recorded date of Christmas being celebrated on December 25th was in 336, during the time of the Roman Emperor Constantine (he was the first Christian Roman Emperor). A few years later, Pope Julius I officially declared that the birth of Jesus would be celebrated on the 25th December.

 

[iamsoandso]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godey's_Lady's_Book

 

[Nehemiah6]

If it was a celebration of His earthly birthday it would be in the springtime.

You should have gotten this right at least.

Christ was NOT born "in the springtime" but in mid- to late September. Possibly even in early September.

 

[Jackson123]

I was read an artical, the word christmas originally from Christ and mass. Usualy catholic call mass oN sunday worship, protestant call It service.

So Christmas mean christ service, but AS time goes by Christmas only mean Jesus birthday.

Some people believe Jesus not born in 25 december, the sun God was. THE rome God birthday was december, since constantine blend christianity and pagan religion, 25 december become Christ birthday.

I do not know If a Christian celebrate Christmas oN december Will go to hell.

I believe God see our heart. when we celebrate Christmas in december not to worship sun God,

 

[Aryeh]

Yes, everything is right, the Church, which has departed from Christ, began to celebrate the winter Christmas, all this religion became the servant of the Cesarean power.

The real birth of Jesus Christ was 8 Tishrei (around September). The Jews did not have the custom of celebrating birthdays. Two sinners in the Bible celebrated their birthdays by killing two people in those days: the baker and John the Baptist. And the two righteous in the Bible cursed their birthdays.

The Jews celebrated the circumcision of newborn babies, on the 8th day after birth. The child was always given a name on the day of circumcision. Therefore, the name Jesus sounded for the first time on the first day of the Sukkot feast, the greatest fest from the feasts of the Lord, according to the Law of Moses. This name is the "tabernacles" in which we live, coming out of "Egypt", that is, coming out of former slavery to the interests of this world.

The fact that Jesus was born on the 8th Tishrei can be proved from the text of the Bible. This day is the day when Moses descended from the mountain with the Tablets of the Covenant for the second time. And this day is the day when King Solomon brought the Ark of the Covenant into the Temple built by him.

Therefore, we should understand why in the book of the prophet Zechariah it is written thus:

And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
And it shall be, [that] whoso will not come up of [all] the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that [have] no [rain;] there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

(Zechariah 14:16-19)

Tabernacles (Sukkot) is the feast of the name of Jesus.

 

[glf1]

Titus 1:15,16 "Unto the pure all things are pure, but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedience, and unto every good work reprobate."

 

[Kavik]

Christmas comes from Anglo Saxon “Christes mæsse” - the mass of Christ (the æ, called ‘ash’, is pronounced just like the ‘a’ in its name). In the early church, a mass (service) was celebrated on what was considered the traditional birthday or death day of the personage in question. These are the ‘feast days’ in the RC tradition.

Pre-Christian Europe celebrated the Winter Solstice – without going into any details, it was a time of year that celebrated the return of the light/sun. The concept of the ‘light of the world returning, rebirth, regeneration of the world” during this time of the year was sort of capitalized on since Christ was also considered the “Light of the world” – Since his actual birthdate was unknown, it seemed like a good time of the year to choose. It also succeeded in Christianizing a pre-Christian holiday (yes, I now, there are many who would disagree with that, but that’s another issue).

The end result was a midwinter celebration of the birth of Christ rather than a time of year what was closer to what may have been his actual birth month (today’s biblical scholars place it more in September). As far as astronomical events, September is the month of the Autumnal Equinox (usually around the end of the third week) right around Sukkot.

 

[Adstar]

There is nothing from God telling us to celebrate Christmas. If it was a celebration of His earthly birthday it would be in the springtime.

For the first 130 years after Christ the church was called "The Way". It was mostly made up of orthodox Jews who never thought of not following what the Father told them because they knew Christ died for their sins.

After they killed off the Jews in the war with Rome in 132 the leadership of the church fell to gentiles who knew more of idol worship than of worship of the Father, so one of them must have decided on the sort of celebrations our church has today. I have read some of the things these men wrote about. I have also read many of Constantine's letters and commentaries. Constantine was the most outspoken about not celebrating Passover because the Jews who were not to be followed celebrated this, but he asked for an Easter celebration. But I haven't read about who asked the church to celebrate Christmas.

As far as i know it was a tactic of the catholic church to take over a pagan celebration that would not die and create a new religious day.. It was an attempt to end a pagan celebration by changing it into a catholic religious celebration..

Jesus of course was not born on the 25th of December.. From scriptures He was born some time during the 7th month..

The Bible never calls upon Christians to celebrate the Birth of Christ..

 

[Kavik]

tactic of the catholic church

While the Catholic Church has become an easy target for for Chrsitianization of Pre-Christian holidays, keep in mind that at that time, call it whatever you'd like, there was only one Christian church.

 

[JaumeJ]

While the Catholic Church has become an easy target for for Chrsitianization of Pre-Christian holidays, keep in mind that at that time, call it whatever you'd like, there was only one Christian church.

There was no Catholic organization by thast name for centuries after Christ...........Do no say there was for even in the Word you have examples of Assemblies of Christ in many locations, none of which were ever referred to as Castholic... This is true for any named denominatios, even those under the umbrell of Judaism.

 

[Adstar]

While the Catholic Church has become an easy target for for Chrsitianization of Pre-Christian holidays, keep in mind that at that time, call it whatever you'd like, there was only one Christian church.

There has always been a Christian body of Christ since the day of Pentecost which has included those who are indwelled by the Holy Spirit.. The false harlot religion of catholicism has never been a part of this Body of Christ..

Christmas is not a Biblically supported religous day.. It was a fake creation of a false church a creation of the traditions of men, not a day established by the will of God..

 

[Kavik]

There has always been a Christian body of Christ since the day of Pentecost which has included those who are indwelled by the Holy Spirit.. The false harlot religion of catholicism has never been a part of this Body of Christ..

With all due respect, it seems a bit of actual researched history of the early church is in order.

There are essentially no specific Christian holidays supported in the Bible; early Christians were converted Jews and followed Jewish traditions with respect to holidays.

 

[Jackson123]

Seem to me constantine start Christmas celeberation and make It pn the sun God birthday.

I do not know the real reason, but some people say, he try to bring Christian to his religion.

He change sun God name into Jesus and mixed the teaching of jesus with pagan teaching to make Christian accept It.

If you tell Christian to worship sun God, they Will refuse oN the spot. If they call It Jesus,Christian Will accept It. Same person, just change the name, Will make hide different.

So Jesus in catholic is not Jesus in the bible.

 

[Lillywolf]

There is nothing from God telling us to celebrate Christmas. If it was a celebration of His earthly birthday it would be in the springtime.

For the first 130 years after Christ the church was called "The Way". It was mostly made up of orthodox Jews who never thought of not following what the Father told them because they knew Christ died for their sins.

After they killed off the Jews in the war with Rome in 132 the leadership of the church fell to gentiles who knew more of idol worship than of worship of the Father, so one of them must have decided on the sort of celebrations our church has today. I have read some of the things these men wrote about. I have also read many of Constantine's letters and commentaries. Constantine was the most outspoken about not celebrating Passover because the Jews who were not to be followed celebrated this, but he asked for an Easter celebration. But I haven't read about who asked the church to celebrate Christmas.

There is no way to prove when exactly Jesus was born.
There is no thing in scripture that tells us we are to celebrate his birth. There is scripture that tells us what is of note is the day of his death. That is what saved the world. I Corinthians 11:23-26

 

[Dino246]

Usually this topic doesn't come up until mid-December. I guess the OP was bored and wanted to stir the controversy pot.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

people gotz a burr and they want to extract it

 

[Deuteronomy]

There is no thing in scripture that tells us we are to celebrate his birth. There is scripture that tells us what is of note is the day of his death. That is what saved the world. I Corinthians 11:23-26

Hi Lillywolf, to me, the most amazing thing that has ever happened, happened on the day Jesus was born, because once the promise of His birth was fulfilled, we knew that all the rest of God's promises to us concerning our Messiah and our salvation would be fulfilled as well.

The Lord's death is a requirement where our salvation is concerned, of course, but so is the perfectly righteous life that He led on our behalf while He walked among us .. e.g. 2 Corinthians 5:21. He is our only innocence, our only righteousness, and the only atonement for our sins.

There are also facts like these to consider about His birth, 1. a special star was set in the heavens for it, 2. gifts were brought to/given to Him and 3. perhaps the biggest party that has ever happened (since the days of our first parents) was held on the day Jesus was born .. Matthew 2:10-11; Luke 2:7-20

So celebrating His birth may not be specifically commanded in the Bible, but surely there cannot be anything wrong with following in the footsteps of both the men and the Heavenly Host of that day by making a special celebration to commemorate His birth, can there?

~Deut

........Luke 2
........13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,
........14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
........

 

[SpoonJuly]

Hi Lillywolf, to me, the most amazing thing that has ever happened, happened on the day Jesus was born, because once the promise of His birth was fulfilled, we knew that all the rest of God's promises to us concerning our Messiah and our salvation would be fulfilled as well.

The Lord's death is a requirement where our salvation is concerned, of course, but so is the perfectly righteous life that He led on our behalf while He walked among us .. e.g. 2 Corinthians 5:21. He is our only innocence, our only righteousness, and the only atonement for our sins.

There are also facts like these to consider about His birth, 1. a special star was set in the heavens for it, 2. gifts were brought to/given to Him and 3. perhaps the biggest party that has ever happened (since the days of our first parents) was held on the day Jesus was born .. Matthew 2:10-11; Luke 2:7-20

So celebrating His birth may not be specifically commanded in the Bible, but surely there cannot be anything wrong with following in the footsteps of both the men and the Heavenly Host of that day by making a special celebration to commemorate His birth, can there?

~Deut

........Luke 2
........13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,
........14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
........

How many really celebrate Jesus birth on Dec. 25?
It is a time for gifts, parties, and family get togethers, and very few really even think of Jesus and what He did for mankind.

 

[Deuteronomy]

How many really celebrate Jesus birth on Dec. 25?
It is a time for gifts, parties, and family get togethers, and very few really even think of Jesus and what He did for mankind.

Hi SpoonJuly, you make a very good (and sad) point, and I certainly understand what you are saying. Then again, you cannot expect non-Christians to think like Christians do about Christmas.

It also seems to me that having the world celebrate His birth is far better than not celebrating/remembering it (even if it is done for the wrong reasons). It also gives those of us who know/understand what the real "reason for the season" is a regular opportunity to teach non-Christians what/Who all the hoopla and celebration is actually supposed to be about, yes

~Deut