Can be gay and a Christian?
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yes:
1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us."
HOWEVER:
1 John 2:1-2, "My little children, I write these things to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father: Yahshua Messiah, the Righteous; and He is the sacrifice of atonement for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."
1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin* (#G266), transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."
*#G266 hamartian ἁμαρτίαν sin
1 John 5:18, "We know that everyone having been born of YHWH does not sin* (#G264), but the one having been born of YHWH guards himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.”
, to me the above verses in the greek show the difference between sinning and living a life of sin...
Also this is an awesome explanation:
John 8:34-36, “יהושע answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone doing sin is a servant of sin. And the servant does not stay in the house forever – a son stays forever. If, then, the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.”
*#G264 hamartanei ἁμαρτάνει, continue to sin
1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us."
HOWEVER:
1 John 2:1-2, "My little children, I write these things to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father: Yahshua Messiah, the Righteous; and He is the sacrifice of atonement for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."
1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin* (#G266), transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."
*#G266 hamartian ἁμαρτίαν sin
1 John 5:18, "We know that everyone having been born of YHWH does not sin* (#G264), but the one having been born of YHWH guards himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.”
, to me the above verses in the greek show the difference between sinning and living a life of sin...
Also this is an awesome explanation:
John 8:34-36, “יהושע answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone doing sin is a servant of sin. And the servant does not stay in the house forever – a son stays forever. If, then, the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.”
*#G264 hamartanei ἁμαρτάνει, continue to sin
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Christians do fail and sin all the time, but most seem to forget that being gay or homosexual has a particular application of the word of God which goes above and beyond just a believer sinning....The bible is clear, homosexuals have reached the end of the proverbial rope and God states clearly that he has GIVEN THEM OVER to a reprobate MIND void of spiritual judgment and that the only thing to expect is the judgment of God.....Romans teaches this.....also we forget that God did extend mercy to David as a saved child of God even though he committed murder and adultery....under the law he should of died, yet was spared and chastened and at the same time we see God burning 4 of 5 cities of the plain to the ground in his wrath against homosexuality and going after strange flesh<--JUDE....I personally believe sex with animals was involved as well......
Being gay, like anyother sin, while we have all sinned, if we truly go to the Most High and He changes our hearts, and He says He will, I don't think anyone can continue in sin bondage if they are truly IN MESSIAH, no matter this sin or any major sin/sin bondage...
John 8:34-36, “יהושע answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone doing sin is a servant of sin. And the servant does not stay in the house forever – a son stays forever. If, then, the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.”
I dont think it happens overnight but I think if one is truly seeking Him they will eventually change...
Psalm 51:10, “Create in me a clean heart, O Mighty One, and renew a steadfast spirit within me.”
1 John/Yahanan 2:6, "He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk as He walked."
1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”
John 8:34-36, “יהושע answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone doing sin is a servant of sin. And the servant does not stay in the house forever – a son stays forever. If, then, the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.”
I dont think it happens overnight but I think if one is truly seeking Him they will eventually change...
Psalm 51:10, “Create in me a clean heart, O Mighty One, and renew a steadfast spirit within me.”
1 John/Yahanan 2:6, "He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk as He walked."
1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”
I am not defending the lifestyle of the gays but I would have to disagree with the op and before everyone gets upset allow me to explain. I like to help troubled people and in pm's I have helped many many people in their struggles and one of the struggles I have had to help with is the gays. You would be surprised how many people love God and want more than anything to live as he does and to be his light on the world but struggle with such desires. We don't get to choose our sexual attractiveness when we are born and even when we are saved sometimes these desires don't simply go away in fact sometimes they are chains in which people constantly bear but look to Jesus for the key to their shackles.
One can be saved but that doesn't mean that desires like that will disappear and many who have to deal with this are very confused why God doesn't take it away and are constantly under heavy fire from other Christians because they are (gay) posts like this are the ones that break people who have to struggle with such things, many end up believing they are going to hell and some lose faith all together because instead of being helped and guided and built up in faith they were broken down attacked and hell bound by those who they came to seek help from.
We are the ones who claim to bear his name on our hearts, we are the ones who are said to be love more so than the regular standard and our job is to help the weak and the broken, to guide them teach them build them up and show them they are far more than what they think they are, not to attack badger and break down. It's easy to say such things and to rebuke the gays but unless one understands the struggles they are dealing with and the chains they bear then what good does it do? I have known many who struggle with such things and yet vigilantly seek him out with all their hearts.
One can be saved but that doesn't mean that desires like that will disappear and many who have to deal with this are very confused why God doesn't take it away and are constantly under heavy fire from other Christians because they are (gay) posts like this are the ones that break people who have to struggle with such things, many end up believing they are going to hell and some lose faith all together because instead of being helped and guided and built up in faith they were broken down attacked and hell bound by those who they came to seek help from.
We are the ones who claim to bear his name on our hearts, we are the ones who are said to be love more so than the regular standard and our job is to help the weak and the broken, to guide them teach them build them up and show them they are far more than what they think they are, not to attack badger and break down. It's easy to say such things and to rebuke the gays but unless one understands the struggles they are dealing with and the chains they bear then what good does it do? I have known many who struggle with such things and yet vigilantly seek him out with all their hearts.
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Actually I believe the answer is Yes if they do not have a partner.
It’s sin which seperates not temptation. Overwise Jesus would have
sinned.
If someone is gay claims to be a Christian but continues in homosexual
practices with impunity, and without regret and shame, I would say they
are not saved.
However if they remain single and by the grace of Christ, do not indulge
in those practices despite having homosexual feelings, I think that’s a
different matter. Otherwise it would be impossible for straight people
to be saved as well!
It’s sin which seperates not temptation. Overwise Jesus would have
sinned.
If someone is gay claims to be a Christian but continues in homosexual
practices with impunity, and without regret and shame, I would say they
are not saved.
However if they remain single and by the grace of Christ, do not indulge
in those practices despite having homosexual feelings, I think that’s a
different matter. Otherwise it would be impossible for straight people
to be saved as well!
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Hi Embankment, the unpardonable sin mentioned in Matthew, Mark, & Luke seems to be a specific sin which occurs when someone blasphemes the Holy Spirit, and that in a very particular manner. How do you understand "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" (which is a sin of commission) to be the same thing as "not believing in Jesus" (which is a sin of omission)?
There is also the fact that this particular sin is said to be unforgivable from the moment it's committed, that it is an "eternal sin" that cannot be forgiven in this life, or in the life to come.
If "unbelief" is an unpardonable sin in this life, then who could possibly be saved?
Thanks!
~Deut
.......Matthew 12
.......31 Any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.
.......32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit,
.......it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
.......Mark 3
.......28 ..Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter;
.......29 ..but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin—
.......30 ..because they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”
.......
There is also the fact that this particular sin is said to be unforgivable from the moment it's committed, that it is an "eternal sin" that cannot be forgiven in this life, or in the life to come.
If "unbelief" is an unpardonable sin in this life, then who could possibly be saved?
Thanks!
~Deut
.......Matthew 12
.......31 Any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.
.......32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit,
.......it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
.......Mark 3
.......28 ..Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter;
.......29 ..but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin—
.......30 ..because they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”
.......
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Many figures of the Bible have been guilty of many things even though they believed God and trusted in Him. The guilt of sin is not held against them.
If you need a good example, read all about King David. Samson is another, and there are many more.
Neither you nor I are as great as some of these folks, so I suppose a person who believes can steal or lie, and it will not be held against them as long as they trust in Jesus.
Now living habitually in sin and not caring is another color horse.
If you need a good example, read all about King David. Samson is another, and there are many more.
Neither you nor I are as great as some of these folks, so I suppose a person who believes can steal or lie, and it will not be held against them as long as they trust in Jesus.
Now living habitually in sin and not caring is another color horse.
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So it seems you are declaring the sins revealed in that scripture to all be unforgivable sins..
Fornication
Idolaters
Adultery
effeminate
abusers of themselves with mankind
theft
covetous
drunkards
revilers
extortion
I do not believe that..
I believe that there is only one sin Jesus revealed that would never have forgiveness and that was blasphemy of the Holy Spirit..
Mark 3 KJV
22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.
23 And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?
24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.
27 No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.
28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
Fornication
Idolaters
Adultery
effeminate
abusers of themselves with mankind
theft
covetous
drunkards
revilers
extortion
I do not believe that..
I believe that there is only one sin Jesus revealed that would never have forgiveness and that was blasphemy of the Holy Spirit..
Mark 3 KJV
22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.
23 And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?
24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.
27 No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.
28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
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