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Jackson123

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More of the same old dodge. Beating dead horses, slaying strawmen and creating red herrings. God knows the hearts.

I do not know the specific situation in Nicaragua but it would not surprise me to find out that the police were responding to the Roman Catholic church's oppression of the people and robbing the poor.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
https://www.upi.com/Catholic-bishop...protests-continue-in-Nicaragua/4521531243549/

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More of the same old dodge. Beating dead horses, slaying strawmen and creating red herrings. God knows the hearts.

I do not know the specific situation in Nicaragua but it would not surprise me to find out that the police were responding to the Roman Catholic church's oppression of the people and robbing the poor.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Seem to me there is political unrest in Nikaragua and catholic church involve in protesting the legal government

https://www.upi.com/Catholic-bishop...protests-continue-in-Nicaragua/4521531243549/
 

Jewel5712

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Then I would suggest doing your own homework instead of asking the opinions of anonymous internet chat participants.

Look for non-Catholic confirmation of your beliefs, and do your best to avoid confirmation bias.
If hes not arguing for ir against it but looking for truth..shouldnt we help him out? A LOT of people look for truth about denominations especially ones so seeped in history..
 

Jackson123

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What you're doing is listening to people even more misled than you are. The pope isn't promoting a one world religion, he's just advocating to pray for peace and love between the world's different religions!

How the Protestant's love to distort the popes message just to promote their own false teachings and agenda. And people fall for it line, hook, and sinker!

I challenge anyone on this forum to quote ONE verse of prophecy implicating Rome in any way. You can't do it because ONE does NOT exist!
He is promoting peace among religion to promote one world religion to SUPPORT one world government.

To do so vatican create new doctrine that say muslim and Christian share the same God, so you do not need to accept Jesus for salvation.


The official document is in lumengentium 2/16



16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.(18*) In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.(125) On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues.(126); But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Mohamedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.

This is official document

https://www.ewtn.com/library/councils/v2church.htm
 

DudleyDorite

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When you step on the toes of those golden calves they sure do bawl loudly. Romanism like Islam desires to dominate the world. Both are earthly organizations lusting for power and control. Neither have anything to do with the coming kingdom of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
I suppose you don't see the difference. Catholicism doesn't want to dominate the world. Islam wants to do it through violence, terrorism, and demographics.

We are told "by their fruits we shall know them. Here are some of the fruits of Islam.

Fruits of Islam....

911 Twin Towers Collapsing - Isaiah 30 verse 25.jpg
 

epostle

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Muslims PROFESS to hold the faith of Abraham, it does not say their faith in Abraham is the same as ours. The Church is not embracing Islam. That is a lie from the pit of hell. You can't preach to Muslims when they want to kill you. Or would you prefer they keep slaughtering Christians because YOU want to get that Armageddon train rolling??? Peaceful coexistence, and many other documents IS OPPOSITE TO YOUR FEAR MONGERING POPE BASHERS.

The Nicaraguan police are killing people. Who cares what their religion is. They are human beings. You are just another angry anti-Catholic who uses church teaching to make weapons to attack His Body. The Bible never does that. But you do it because it is a false man made Protestant tradition.

Using church teaching to make weapons to attack His Body, the Church, is a form of existential sorcery in my opinion. You hate something deep down and I don't think it's the Church.
.+..
MANAGUA, Nicaragua - A Nicaraguan priest has called on the international community to intervene to prevent the massacre of protesters by the country’s government and its paramilitary supporters.

Protests against president Daniel Ortega which began April 18 have resulted in more than 300 deaths, according to local human rights groups. The country’s bishops have mediated on-again, off-again peace talks between the government and opposition groups.
Catholic News Agency
Jul 21, 2018
President Daniel Ortega is hiring. He could use more men like you.

May 15, 2018
MANAGUA, Nicaragua - Nicaragua says it welcomes a visit by the Organization of American States’ Inter-American Commission on Human Rights, (not Catholic) and Catholic bishops announced Monday that a dialogue with the government will start this week.

The Nicaraguan Council of Bishops said talks between civic groups and the administration of President Daniel Ortega will start Wednesday morning, following weeks of anti-government protests in which an estimated 65 people have been killed.

The sad thing is no matter what I show you, all you can see is stupid ignorant Pope bashing conspiracies.
 

DudleyDorite

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He is promoting peace among religion to promote one world religion to SUPPORT one world government.

To do so vatican create new doctrine that say muslim and Christian share the same God, so you do not need to accept Jesus for salvation.


The official document is in lumengentium 2/16



16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.(18*) In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.(125) On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues.(126); But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Mohamedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.

This is official document

https://www.ewtn.com/library/councils/v2church.htm
I keep telling you there's not a one world religion coming. The prophesied evil religion of the last days is Islam. I also keep asking you people to show me ONE verse of end-time prophecy that specifically points to Rome. Nobody has quoted ONE yet. There are dozens that point to Arab, Persian, and Islamic countries!

You have been deceived by the illustrious prophecy experts.
 

Jackson123

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Muslims PROFESS to hold the faith of Abraham, it does not say their faith in Abraham is the same as ours. The Church is not embracing Islam. That is a lie from the pit of hell. You can't preach to Muslims when they want to kill you. Or would you prefer they keep slaughtering Christians because YOU want to get that Armageddon train rolling??? Peaceful coexistence, and many other documents IS OPPOSITE TO YOUR FEAR MONGERING POPE BASHERS.

The Nicaraguan police are killing people. Who cares what their religion is. They are human beings. You are just another angry anti-Catholic who uses church teaching o to make weapons to attack His Body. The Bible never does that. But you do it because it is a false man made Protestant tradition.

Using church teaching to make weapons to attack His Body, the Church, is a form of existential sorcery in my opinion. You hate something deep down and I don't think it's the Church.
.+..
MANAGUA, Nicaragua - A Nicaraguan priest has called on the international community to intervene to prevent the massacre of protesters by the country’s government and its paramilitary supporters.


Protests against president Daniel Ortega which began April 18 have resulted in more than 300 deaths, according to local human rights groups. The country’s bishops have mediated on-again, off-again peace talks between the government and opposition groups.
Catholic News Agency
Jul 21, 2018
President Daniel Ortega is hiring. He could use more men like you.

May 15, 2018
MANAGUA, Nicaragua - Nicaragua says it welcomes a visit by the Organization of American States’ Inter-American Commission on Human Rights, (not Catholic) and Catholic bishops announced Monday that a dialogue with the government will start this week.

The Nicaraguan Council of Bishops said talks between civic groups and the administration of President Daniel Ortega will start Wednesday morning, following weeks of anti-government protests in which an estimated 65 people have been killed.

The sad thing is no matter what I show you, all you can see is stupid ignorant Pope bashing conspiracies.
126); But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Mohamedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God,

To me It mean catholic say that mohamedans or islam includes in the plan of salvation

Mohamedans or muslim do not believe and accept Jesus is a God and catholic say they are save. Not inline with the bible.

Catholic is main religion in Nicaragua. Is the police against catholic or against the rebel that happen to be catholic? Need more investigation. I believe Most of police are catholic

The country has an area of 49,998 square miles and a population of 5.5 million. More than 80 percent of the population belongs to Christian groups. According to a 2005 census conducted by the governmental Nicaraguan Institute of Statistics and Census (INEC), 58.5 percent of the population is Roman Catholic and 21.6 percent is evangelical Protestant. Two percent is associated with other unspecified religious groups, 1.6 percent belongs to the Moravian Church, less than 1 percent is associated with the Jehovah's Witnesses, and 15.7 percent profess no religious affiliation or are atheists. The evangelicals include Assembly of God, Pentecostal, Mennonite, Baptist, and other small denominations. A June 2007 poll shows a similar breakdown.
https://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/2007/90261.htm
 

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Jackson123, of your last 18 posts, 16 of them is arguing against Catholicism. Most of them is lack of understanding. Being too proud to be corrected and refusing to understand is where I draw the line. If you cannot stop bashing the Pope, at least get some basic information about Catholicism.
Instead of me taking away the bat you beat Catholics with, I'll give you more and bigger bats.
https://www.catholic.com/ put a word or a phrase in the search bar. You can get lots of new bats because then you might know something about it.

Constantly arguing over somebody else's cartoon image of the Church, post after post, is a waste of time.
 

Jackson123

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I keep telling you there's not a one world religion coming. The prophesied evil religion of the last days is Islam. I also keep asking you people to show me ONE verse of end-time prophecy that specifically points to Rome. Nobody has quoted ONE yet. There are dozens that point to Arab, Persian, and Islamic countries!

You have been deceived by the illustrious prophecy experts.
The coming one world religion leader is not from islam. The antichrist went out from so call Christian but not i believe catholic leader, look like Christian but not

If catholic Christian, they not going to teach islam in the plan of salvation (lumen gentium 2/16)

1 John 2:18-19 King James Version (KJV)
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain

About one world government let me repeat rev 13


7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

1. This beast Will make war war with the saint. In the history catholic kill a Lot of bible reading.

2. And power was given him over all ....nation
If all nation under one leader. It call one world government isn't it?

If you read the entire chapter, this leader Will be worship AS a God

And this article say pope is God oN earth, look fit isn't It?

The List
  1. Pope Innocent III (1198-1216) wrote: “We may according to the fullness of our power, dispose of the law and dispense above the law. Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God.” (1 Book of Gregory 9 Decret. c. 3)
  2. The Lateran Council addressing Pope Julius II in an oration delivered by Marcellus said: “Take care that we lose not that salvation, that life and breath which thou hast given us, for thou art our shepherd, thou art our physician, thou art our governor, thou art our husbandman, thou art finally another God on earth.” (Council Edition. Colm. Agrip. 1618)
  3. Pope Nicholas said of himself: “I am in all and above all, so that God Himself and I, the vicar of God, hath both one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do... wherefore, if those things that I do be said not to be done of man, but of God, what do you make of me but God? Again, if prelates of the Church be called of Constantine for gods, I then being above all prelates, seem by this reason to be above all gods. Wherefore, no marvel, if it be in my power to dispense with all things, yea with the precepts of Christ.” (Decret. par. Distinct 96 ch. 7 edit. Lugo 1661)
  4. The RC New York catechism states: “The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth... by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians. He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God himself on earth.”
  5. The title “Lord God the Pope” - these words appeared in the Canon Law of Rome. “To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical.” (The Gloss extravagances of Pope John XXII Cum. Inter, tit XIV Ad Callem Sexti Decretalium, Paris, 1685)

    Father A. Pereira acknowledged: “It is quite certain that Popes have never disapproved or rejected this title “Lord God the Pope” for the passage in the gloss referred to appears in the edition of the Canon Law published in Rome by Gregory XIII.”
  6. Pope Nicholas I declared that “the appellation of God had been confirmed by Constantine on the Pope, who being God, cannot be judged by man.” (Labb IX Dist.: 96 Can 7 Satis Evidentur Decret Gratian Primer Para)
  7. Speaking [in] the name of the Pope (a rhetorical device) Cardinal Manning said: “I acknowledge no civil superior, I am the subject of no prince, and I claim more than this, I claim to be the supreme judge on earth and director of the consciences of men, I am the last supreme judge of what is right and wrong.” (Sermon in the Pro Cathedral, Kensington, Tablet Oct 9, 1864)
http://www.geoffhorton.com/PapalClaims.html
 

Jackson123

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Jackson123, of your last 18 posts, 16 of them is arguing against Catholicism. Most of them is lack of understanding. Being too proud to be corrected and refusing to understand is where I draw the line. If you cannot stop bashing the Pope, at least get some basic information about Catholicism.
Instead of me taking away the bat you beat Catholics with, I'll give you more and bigger bats.
https://www.catholic.com/ put a word or a phrase in the search bar. You can get lots of new bats because then you might know something about it.

Constantly arguing over somebody else's cartoon image of the Church, post after post, is a waste of time.
Thanks for your respon, I open your link, but It is a Lot of material, If you can give what part that talking about lumen gentium 2/16 I Will apreciate, quote that part and explain why you believe lumen gentium 2/16 not say what It say

To me It say mohamedans include in the plan of salvation, mean the follower of muslim teaching save and the bible say salvation is only through Jesus.
 

Jackson123

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The coming one world religion leader is not from islam. The antichrist went out from so call Christian but not i believe catholic leader, look like Christian but not

If catholic Christian, they not going to teach islam in the plan of salvation (lumen gentium 2/16)

1 John 2:18-19 King James Version (KJV)
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain

About one world government let me repeat rev 13


7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

1. This beast Will make war war with the saint. In the history catholic kill a Lot of bible reading.

2. And power was given him over all ....nation
If all nation under one leader. It call one world government isn't it?

If you read the entire chapter, this leader Will be worship AS a God

And this article say pope is God oN earth, look fit isn't It?

The List
  1. Pope Innocent III (1198-1216) wrote: “We may according to the fullness of our power, dispose of the law and dispense above the law. Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God.” (1 Book of Gregory 9 Decret. c. 3)
  2. The Lateran Council addressing Pope Julius II in an oration delivered by Marcellus said: “Take care that we lose not that salvation, that life and breath which thou hast given us, for thou art our shepherd, thou art our physician, thou art our governor, thou art our husbandman, thou art finally another God on earth.” (Council Edition. Colm. Agrip. 1618)
  3. Pope Nicholas said of himself: “I am in all and above all, so that God Himself and I, the vicar of God, hath both one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do... wherefore, if those things that I do be said not to be done of man, but of God, what do you make of me but God? Again, if prelates of the Church be called of Constantine for gods, I then being above all prelates, seem by this reason to be above all gods. Wherefore, no marvel, if it be in my power to dispense with all things, yea with the precepts of Christ.” (Decret. par. Distinct 96 ch. 7 edit. Lugo 1661)
  4. The RC New York catechism states: “The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth... by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians. He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God himself on earth.”
  5. The title “Lord God the Pope” - these words appeared in the Canon Law of Rome. “To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical.” (The Gloss extravagances of Pope John XXII Cum. Inter, tit XIV Ad Callem Sexti Decretalium, Paris, 1685)

    Father A. Pereira acknowledged: “It is quite certain that Popes have never disapproved or rejected this title “Lord God the Pope” for the passage in the gloss referred to appears in the edition of the Canon Law published in Rome by Gregory XIII.”
  6. Pope Nicholas I declared that “the appellation of God had been confirmed by Constantine on the Pope, who being God, cannot be judged by man.” (Labb IX Dist.: 96 Can 7 Satis Evidentur Decret Gratian Primer Para)
  7. Speaking [in] the name of the Pope (a rhetorical device) Cardinal Manning said: “I acknowledge no civil superior, I am the subject of no prince, and I claim more than this, I claim to be the supreme judge on earth and director of the consciences of men, I am the last supreme judge of what is right and wrong.” (Sermon in the Pro Cathedral, Kensington, Tablet Oct 9, 1864)
http://www.geoffhorton.com/PapalClaims.html
Sorry, there was a mistake oN the first sentence I say : the leader of one world religion come from so call Christian.

Is not one world religion but one world government
 

Jackson123

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I suppose you don't see the difference. Catholicism doesn't want to dominate the world. Islam wants to do it through violence, terrorism, and demographics.

We are told "by their fruits we shall know them. Here are some of the fruits of Islam.

Fruits of Islam....

View attachment 187096
Muslim want to rule the world, but muslim is not AS strong AS catholic. Catholic believe pope is God oN earth, God is the KING OF KING, SO POPE MUST REPRESENT Jesus AS a King of King to rule the world
 

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Which Catholic Moral Teaching do You Reject?

Trent Horn generates moving and surprising conversations when he asks non-Catholic listeners to call and share which Catholic teaching they reject.

Questions Covered:

  • 05:52 - What can you say to someone who denies the eternal nature of hell?
  • 14:08 - What does the Church teach about marijuana?
  • 17:55 - I struggle with papal infallibility.
  • 28:54 - The Church says, the gates of hell will not prevail against it, and yet, all of these scandals seem to prove otherwise.
  • 46:52 - I reject the Church’s teaching on sex.
  • 51:16 - I struggle with the vow of celibacy for priests.
Resources Mentioned:

 

epostle

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The coming one world religion leader is not from islam. The antichrist went out from so call Christian but not i believe catholic leader, look like Christian but not

If catholic Christian, they not going to teach islam in the plan of salvation (lumen gentium 2/16)

1 John 2:18-19 King James Version (KJV)
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain

About one world government let me repeat rev 13


7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

1. This beast Will make war war with the saint. In the history catholic kill a Lot of bible reading.

2. And power was given him over all ....nation
If all nation under one leader. It call one world government isn't it?

If you read the entire chapter, this leader Will be worship AS a God

And this article say pope is God oN earth, look fit isn't It?

The List
  1. Pope Innocent III (1198-1216) wrote: “We may according to the fullness of our power, dispose of the law and dispense above the law. Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God.” (1 Book of Gregory 9 Decret. c. 3)
  2. The Lateran Council addressing Pope Julius II in an oration delivered by Marcellus said: “Take care that we lose not that salvation, that life and breath which thou hast given us, for thou art our shepherd, thou art our physician, thou art our governor, thou art our husbandman, thou art finally another God on earth.” (Council Edition. Colm. Agrip. 1618)
  3. Pope Nicholas said of himself: “I am in all and above all, so that God Himself and I, the vicar of God, hath both one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do... wherefore, if those things that I do be said not to be done of man, but of God, what do you make of me but God? Again, if prelates of the Church be called of Constantine for gods, I then being above all prelates, seem by this reason to be above all gods. Wherefore, no marvel, if it be in my power to dispense with all things, yea with the precepts of Christ.” (Decret. par. Distinct 96 ch. 7 edit. Lugo 1661)
  4. The RC New York catechism states: “The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth... by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians. He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God himself on earth.”
  5. The title “Lord God the Pope” - these words appeared in the Canon Law of Rome. “To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical.” (The Gloss extravagances of Pope John XXII Cum. Inter, tit XIV Ad Callem Sexti Decretalium, Paris, 1685)

    Father A. Pereira acknowledged: “It is quite certain that Popes have never disapproved or rejected this title “Lord God the Pope” for the passage in the gloss referred to appears in the edition of the Canon Law published in Rome by Gregory XIII.”
  6. Pope Nicholas I declared that “the appellation of God had been confirmed by Constantine on the Pope, who being God, cannot be judged by man.” (Labb IX Dist.: 96 Can 7 Satis Evidentur Decret Gratian Primer Para)
  7. Speaking [in] the name of the Pope (a rhetorical device) Cardinal Manning said: “I acknowledge no civil superior, I am the subject of no prince, and I claim more than this, I claim to be the supreme judge on earth and director of the consciences of men, I am the last supreme judge of what is right and wrong.” (Sermon in the Pro Cathedral, Kensington, Tablet Oct 9, 1864)
http://www.geoffhorton.com/PapalClaims.html
This is abuse of Church teaching. The Pope is the boss of Catholics, not Protestants. Your church leaders have the power to say what their members should believe. That's normal for all Protestant churches. So why is it so wrong for Catholic leaders to say to Catholics what to believe? SDA controls minds and forces what to believe.

Why are you quoting Catholic documents that don't exist? (Sermon in the Pro Cathedral, Kensington, Tablet Oct 9, 1864) is fake. Why don't you come out of the shadows and say you are a Seventh Day Adventist. Have I got some questions for you!!!“
Lord God the Pope” is a lie. Compare it with the real encyclical and the lie is exposed. “Lord God the Pope” is a blasphemy and not found on any official Church document. But it's found on official hate cult fake documents.
(Labb IX Dist.: 96 Can 7 Satis Evidentur Decret Gratian Primer Para) is fake.

“Lord God the Pope” for the passage in the gloss referred to appears in the edition of the Canon Law published in Rome by Gregory XIII.”
NO, IT DOES NOT. POPES DON'T "PUBLISH" OR APPROVE BLASPHEMIES and they don't "publish" canon law that is subject to renewal. 15th century canon law is amended several times over.
You refer to an obscure outdated "Canon Law" lies that cannot be verified on line. This dishonest tactic is standard SDA methodology.

Now that I see you are an SDA zombie, things are going to be different.
 

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This is abuse of Church teaching. The Pope is the boss of Catholics, not Protestants. Your church leaders have the power to say what their members should believe. That's normal for all Protestant churches. So why is it so wrong for Catholic leaders to say to Catholics what to believe? SDA controls minds and forces what to believe.

Why are you quoting Catholic documents that don't exist? (Sermon in the Pro Cathedral, Kensington, Tablet Oct 9, 1864) is fake. Why don't you come out of the shadows and say you are a Seventh Day Adventist. Have I got some questions for you!!!“
Lord God the Pope” is a lie. Compare it with the real encyclical and the lie is exposed. “Lord God the Pope” is a blasphemy and not found on any official Church document. But it's found on official hate cult fake documents.
(Labb IX Dist.: 96 Can 7 Satis Evidentur Decret Gratian Primer Para) is fake.

“Lord God the Pope” for the passage in the gloss referred to appears in the edition of the Canon Law published in Rome by Gregory XIII.”
NO, IT DOES NOT. POPES DON'T "PUBLISH" OR APPROVE BLASPHEMIES and they don't "publish" canon law that is subject to renewal. 15th century canon law is amended several times over.
You refer to an obscure outdated "Canon Law" lies that cannot be verified on line. This dishonest tactic is standard SDA methodology.

Now that I see you are an SDA zombie, things are going to be different.
Thanks for your respon

Yes Pope entitle to say that muslim is in the plan of salvation and you entitle to believe. But to me It proof that he is tha antichrist. Real Christ teaching should be : salvation only come from faith in Jesus.

I am not sda, I am not go to church oN saturday.

Surprise me that you admit there is outdated Canon law, that mean that Canon law was wrong and Being amended. I Do not understand If one believe pope infallible in moral and dogma, (never wrong in moral and dogma) why there is wrong Canon law?

Was that pope read before approve that law?
 

epostle

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Yes Pope entitle to say that muslim is in the plan of salvation and you entitle to believe. But to me It proof that he is tha antichrist. Real Christ teaching should be : salvation only come from faith in Jesus.
The Pope doesn't say that.

I am not sda, I am not go to church oN saturday.

Surprise me that you admit there is outdated Canon law, that mean that Canon law was wrong and Being amended. I Do not understand If one believe pope infallible in moral and dogma, (never wrong in moral and dogma) why there is wrong Canon law?

Was that pope read before approve that law?[/QUOTE]
Canon law is not infallible. Very few declarations are infallible. Not every single word in every Catholic document is infallible.
"Jesus is God" is infallible. Jesus is God and the cow jumped over the moon. "The cow jumped over the moon" part is not infallible. If the sentence appeared in an infallible document, only the "Jesus is God" part in infallible. 17:55 - is an audio tape that explains some things about infallibility. Please listen to it.
The Pope has the authority to change disciplines and practices, he has no authority to change doctrines or the Bible.

If a person never heard the gospel, never heard about Jesus, never saw a Bible and never met a Christian through no fault of their own- and they die, in your system they go to hell. This is not a just God, it is a monster God. Salvation is POSSIBLE, because of God's justice and mercy, He judges them differently. For you, their salvation is IMPOSSIBLE and that is NOT what Jesus taught. Jesus separates the sheep from the goats in heaven, they are not separated according to your rigid, narrow view of salvation. This is what you don't understand. What's worse is refusing to understand and you refuse to understand everything I say.

Reformation Christian Ministries is full of hate and lies and they have deceived you. Reformation Christian Ministries, an international, educational missions ministry, is under the oversight of The King’s Reformed Presbyterian Church and Sharon Orthodox Presbyterian Church. It's an internet church, not a real church.
Your pope is John Calvin and you may not even know it. You can deny being a Calvinist, but you sure like the RCM lies, myths and falsehoods.

from a non-Catholic site: my words in red.
(Nostae Atate) It says, first, to be sure, that the Church seeks to promote fellowship among all men (#1). You promote division, fear, and suspicion. Secondly, it speaks about how all historic religions that have grown up in the context of well-developed cultures have attempted to provide answers to the most central questions that confront man, such as who he is, what the meaning of his life is, and what kind of moral life he is to lead. Thirdly, it makes clear that there are elements of truth in all of these religious traditions, and so the Church “rejects nothing that is true and holy in” them (#2). To you, this is unthinkable Finally, it “exhorts” Catholics to engage in “dialogue and collaboration with the followers of other religions” so they can recognize “the good things” found among them (#2).You want them to kill us instead???
As far as Moslems are concerned, Nostra Aetate regards them “with esteem,” because as a fellow Abrahamic faith they submit to the one true God, revere Jesus as a prophet even if they don’t recognize him as God, have devotion to the Blessed Mother, and like Christianity “value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting,” and also await the resurrection of the body on Judgment Day (#3). To you, everything they believe is evil. This is not Christianity.

The document also makes clear the following. While the “precepts and teachings” of these other religions differ in many respects from the Church’s, they “often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men” (#2)—that is, they obscurely express Christ in some way. It also stresses that the dialogue and cooperation with them must be “carried out with prudence and love” (#2). In other words, while acting in charity Catholics must always bring discernment to their dealings with adherents of non-Christian religions. The Church—and by extension, the faithful—“ever must proclaim Christ ‘the way, the truth, and the life’” (#2) and “the cross of Christ as the sign of God’s all-embracing love and as the fountain from which every grace flows” (#4). You must ever proclaim fear and condemnation. What this means is that they can never back away from holding—always charitably, to be sure—that she alone teaches the fullness of the truth. You deny this truth in the first place.

The document also affirms that Catholics cannot refuse to treat any person “in a brotherly way,” since all are created in the image of God, and that there is no basis “for any theory or practice that leads to discrimination between man and man or people and people, so far as their human dignity and the rights flowing from it are concerned” (#5). I have explained "human dignity" to you before and you just ignored it.

A key point here are that Catholics cannot let themselves slip into a kind of religious syncretism when viewing other religions or in their dealings with their adherents. Charity is exhorted, but so is prudence. When the document says that dialogue and cooperation must be carried out with these things in mind, it is essentially cautioning Catholics not to slip into a mindset of moral or religious equivalency. When it says that these other religions have elements of the truth—which unwittingly, for them, reflect the truth of Christ—it is making clear that, as stated, the Church alone embraces and teaches the fullness of truth and the complete path to human salvation. She, in effect, is reminding the faithful that they cannot forget this or cease to make it a central element motivating their dialogue. You cannot see this because of your blind prejudice.Indeed, it has been just such a neglect that has abundantly characterized ecumenical relations since Vatican II and has helped retard the Church’s efforts at evangelization. Where Catholics have not succumbed to a functional religious syncretism, many have failed to understand that a charitable attitude can make it possible to stand solidly for principles and even speak the truth and still get along with people. You have failed to understand because your religion won't allow you to understand. You promote fear of the Pope that scares little children.
 

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Some Evangelicals have problems with this "Queen" thing. Perhaps the best way to explain it is to compare Heaven to the Commonwealth. We live in a time when the Queen of England is the highest in the Commonwealth. There is no king. She wears the commonwealth trousers. She is it. She is the focus. We grew up singing "God save the Queen." So it is natural that our contemporary understanding of the word Queen would be someone in highest authority. But what happens to the queen when there is a king? Then who has the authority? In commonwealth law, when there is a king, the queen has absolutely no authority whatsoever except the quiet whisper in the king's ear to influence a decision. (Jn 2:3)
It has nothing to do with common wealth .That is just a way the Catholics distract the real meaning of the "queen of heaven" in a attempt to make the oral traditions of the fathers as the things of men of the same divine authority as sola scriptura. This is so that they can make the word of God without effect.

Sola scriptura is at the forefront of every reformation doing it work of making the law of the fathers and Kings to no effect .Two apposing forces .The things of God and those of men.

Law of the fathers the official teaching authority the catecicism #80 "Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal.

From my experience when introducing sola scriptura it is when most Catholics depart. " Jeremiah 44 seems to confirm... As for the word (sola scriptura) that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee.

Same queen just a different name. Same doctrine of men, using Mary of the Bible to lord it over the pew Catholics (non venerable ones)

As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil .Jeremiah 44:17-18

Same kind of fathers and kings. Kings that came about because those who apposed God as the things of men would have nothing to do with worshiping the Kings of kings not seen as our invisible God . They gathered themselves together (not called By God) and demanded a King that they could follow after walking by sight because of their jealousy of the surrounding nations . They refused to walk by faith in respect to a invisible King. Samael knew it was blasphemy so He prayed to God and God gave them over to do that which they should not require of. God spoke to Samuel the last Judge and informed him it is not you they reject as King of kings but they have rejected the King of kings from reigning over them .

The first century reformation through all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura) restored the government of God to before their were Kings.

Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah, And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations. But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the Lord.And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them.1 Samuel 8:4-9



JESUS IS KING
. He is it. Now if Mary is Queen, it means that she has no authority whatsoever over his decisions except a whisper in his ear (Jn 2:3). We call Mary the Queen without diminishing the King's (Jesus') authority in the least. In fact it reinforces it. What respectable King does not have a Queen? Revelation 12:1 says:
Sounds like the same one that whispered in Peters ear as the things of men. We walk by faith not by sight

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.Mathew16:22-23
 

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I suppose you don't see the difference. Catholicism doesn't want to dominate the world. Islam wants to do it through violence, terrorism, and demographics.

We are told "by their fruits we shall know them. Here are some of the fruits of Islam.

Fruits of Islam....

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I do remember that it was the Roman Catholic popes who made war against Islam. Conversion by the sword they called that time the time of the crusades. Rome was big in Europe on burning at the stake any who dared to oppose her authority.

I would have a difficult time thinking of any other group who has done more harm to the name of Christ than Rome.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

epostle

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Yes Pope entitle to say that muslim is in the plan of salvation and you entitle to believe. But to me It proof that he is tha antichrist. Real Christ teaching should be : salvation only come from faith in Jesus.
That is not what the Pope is saying.

I am not sda, I am not go to church oN saturday.
Sorry about that. Your source borrows the same non-existing falsified "Catholic documents" from the Seventh Day Adventists. I've seen them before.

Surprise me that you admit there is outdated Canon law, that mean that Canon law was wrong and Being amended. I Do not understand If one believe pope infallible in moral and dogma, (never wrong in moral and dogma) why there is wrong Canon law?
Was that pope read before approve that law?[/QUOTE]
Canon law is not infallible. Very few declarations are infallible. Not every single word in every Catholic document is infallible.
DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT MEAN "CHANGE".
17:55 - is an audio tape that explains some things about infallibility. Please listen to it.
The Pope has the authority to change disciplines and practices, he has no authority to change doctrines or the Bible.

If a person never heard the gospel, never heard about Jesus, never saw a Bible and never met a Christian through no fault of their own- and they die, in your system they go to hell. This is not a just God, it is a monster God. Salvation is POSSIBLE, because of God's justice and mercy, He judges them differently. For you, their salvation is IMPOSSIBLE and that is NOT what Jesus taught. Jesus separates the sheep from the goats in heaven, they are not separated according to your rigid, narrow view of salvation. This is what you don't understand. What's worse is refusing to understand and you refuse to understand everything I say.

Reformation Christian Ministries is full of hate and lies and they have deceived you. Reformation Christian Ministries, an international, educational missions ministry, is under the oversight of The King’s Reformed Presbyterian Church and Sharon Orthodox Presbyterian Church. It's an internet church, not a real church. There so called "Catholic documents" are false, they don't exist, and they use the same FALSE DOCUMENTS AS THE SDA!!!

from a non-Catholic site: my words in red.

(Nostae Atate) It says, first, to be sure, that the Church seeks to promote fellowship among all men (#1). You promote division, fear, and suspicion.

Secondly, it speaks about how all historic religions that have grown up in the context of well-developed cultures have attempted to provide answers to the most central questions that confront man, such as who he is, what the meaning of his life is, and what kind of moral life he is to lead. Thirdly, it makes clear that there are elements of truth in all of these religious traditions, and so the Church “rejects nothing that is true and holy in” them (#2). To you, this is unthinkable Finally, it “exhorts” Catholics to engage in “dialogue and collaboration with the followers of other religions” so they can recognize “the good things” found among them (#2).You want them to kill us instead???

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As far as Moslems are concerned, Nostra Aetate regards them “with esteem,” because as a fellow Abrahamic faith they submit to the one true God, revere Jesus as a prophet even if they don’t recognize him as God, have devotion to the Blessed Mother, and like Christianity “value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting,” and also await the resurrection of the body on Judgment Day (#3). To you, everything they believe is evil. This is not Christianity. Even Paul used the pagan unknown God to preach to them.

The document also makes clear the following. While the “precepts and teachings” of these other religions differ in many respects from the Church’s, they “often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men” (#2)—that is, they obscurely express Christ in some way. It also stresses that the dialogue and cooperation with them must be carried out with prudence and love” (#2). In other words, while acting in charity Catholics must always bring discernment to their dealings with adherents of non-Christian religions. The Church—and by extension, the faithful—“ever must proclaim Christ ‘the way, the truth, and the life’” (#2) and “the cross of Christ as the sign of God’s all-embracing love and as the fountain from which every grace flows” (#4). You must ever proclaim fear and condemnation. What this means is that they can never back away from holding—always charitably, to be sure—that she alone teaches the fullness of the truth. You deny this truth in the first place.



The document also affirms that Catholics cannot refuse to treat any person “in a brotherly way,” since all are created in the image of God, and that there is no basis “for any theory or practice that leads to discrimination between man and man or people and people, so far as their human dignity and the rights flowing from it are concerned” (#5). I have explained "human dignity" to you before and you just ignored it.

A key point here are that Catholics cannot let themselves slip into a kind of religious syncretism when viewing other religions or in their dealings with their adherents. Charity is exhorted, but so is prudence. When the document says that dialogue and cooperation must be carried out with these things in mind, it is essentially cautioning Catholics not to slip into a mindset of moral or religious equivalency. When it says that these other religions have elements of the truth—which unwittingly, for them, reflect the truth of Christ—it is making clear that, as stated, the Church alone embraces and teaches the fullness of truth and the complete path to human salvation. She, in effect, is reminding the faithful that they cannot forget this or cease to make it a central element motivating their dialogue. You cannot see this because of your blind prejudice.Indeed, it has been just such a neglect that has abundantly characterized ecumenical relations since Vatican II and has helped retard the Church’s efforts at evangelization. Where Catholics have not succumbed to a functional religious syncretism, many have failed to understand that a charitable attitude can make it possible to stand solidly for principles and even speak the truth and still get along with people. You have failed to understand because your religion won't allow you to understand. You promote fear of the Pope that scares little children.

https://www.crisismagazine.com/2017/nostra-aetate-catholic-response-islam NOT A CATHOLIC PUBLICATION

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Is Pope a liar, Jackson???​