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Jewel5712 said:
Heres a little story...at 20 i got married..to a christian man..had 2 babies n in the 3 yrs that we were married he had 4 afairs..he actually left the state with another woman..leaving me with 2 babies..i thought God..if this is what a christian marriage is supposed to be about..i want no part of it (my ex an i r saved..went to church..knew the bible etc) i "walked away" from the Lord for 4 yrs..didnt care..did my own thing..but aftet awhile there was an uneasiness and conviction in my spirit. (God was persuing me to come back)..and i did..i repented..fell to my knees and submitted my life to Him again...did i LOSE my salvation in those 4 yrs because i "didnt belive"? No..God was patient and is with a lot of people..it took me 4 yrs to come back..some it takes longer..others never or its too late when they die..im glad God didnt give up on me and "withdraw" His grace and salvation when i did my own thing....
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You are aware that I have said over and over and over that the believer who decides they do not want to be a Christian anymore does not lose his salvation until God has exhausted all his efforts to bring that person back. If they don't come back in the time and space he has allotted he turns them over to their unbelief so that they can't come back. He is long suffering, not forever suffering. You, obviously, came back in whatever time God allotted for you to be able to do that.

The Galatians illustrate for us how God gives the ex-believer time to come back. What we don't know is how long God leaves the door open for the ex-believer to come back. I suspect that depends on the level of growth the person was at when they left, and why they left. Now that you've been down this road, I'm guessing you probably are aware that God probably isn't going to be as long suffering with you if you leave in unbelief again.
 
Ralph- said:
You are aware that I have said over and over and over that the believer who decides they do not want to be a Christian anymore does not lose his salvation until God has exhausted all his efforts he has allowed for that person to come back. If they don't come back in the time and space he has allotted he turns them over to their unbelief so that they can't come back. He is long suffering, not forever suffering. You, obviously, came back in whatever time God allotted for you to be able to do that.

The Galatians illustrate for us how God gives the ex-believer time to come back. What we don't know is how long God leaves the door open for the ex-believer to come back. I suspect that depends on the level of growth the person was at when they left, and why they left. Now that you've been down this road, I'm guessing you probably are aware that God probably isn't going to be as long suffering with you if you leave in unbelief again.
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Never heard of "Gods time limit" other than death
 
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Jewel5712 said:
Never heard of "Gods time limit" other than death
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I just explained to you how God gave the Galatians time to come back to faith in Christ. That is the Biblical precedent for understanding how God doesn't just turn you over instantly to your decision to not believe anymore when you do that. And I have explained from Galatians how it is that Paul warns them that they will not be heirs of the promises for leaving faith in Christ to become slaves of the old covenant. In that letter we see, both, the ultimate penalty for abandoning faith in Christ (loss of the inheritance), and the fact that God will make some effort to call the ex-believer back to himself before making it so they can't come back.
 
Ralph- said:
I just explained to you how God gave the Galatians time to come back to faith in Christ. That is the Biblical precedent for understanding how God doesn't just turn you over instantly to your decision to not believe anymore when you do that.
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But he doesnt withdraw your salvation etc..who knows HOW long the prodigal son was away..God recieved him back with a party n open arms..didnt "disown" him but waited and watched for him every day..THANK YOU JESUS!
 
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Jewel5712 said:
But he doesnt withdraw your salvation etc..who knows HOW long the prodigal son was away..God recieved him back with a party n open arms..didnt "disown" him but waited and watched for him every day..THANK YOU JESUS!
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We know from the whole counsel of scripture that God does not wait forever.
 
Jewel5712 said:
@Ralph- @justpassinthrough @preston39 ...you think people are just arguementative with you and continue to bicker to prove a point..but for some of us..including ME..its PERSONAL its our LIVES or something weve lived through that has brought us to our personal beliefs and convictions so when we share and you say its blatently WRONG..that can cut because of it being personal..our walk with God are all different and personal in different ways..we gotta remember that when in heatec debates :)
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I have made a very conscious choice to make sure people who have abandoned faith in Christ won't be discouraged from trying to come back. But at the same time making sure people who have not left faith in Christ understand that they should not leave because, ultimately, there is a very harsh eternal penalty for leaving and they don't come back.
 
And by the way, @Jewel5712 , you should be telling Calvinist 'P' 'once saved always saved' believers to talk to the hand whenever they start spouting off their doctrine that says if a person leaves they were never really saved to begin with. You know from personal experience that is a bunch of bull.
 
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Ralph- said:
And by the way, @Jewel5712 , you should be telling Calvinist 'P' 'once saved always saved' believers to talk to the hand whenever they start spouting off their doctrine that says if a person leaves they were never really saved to begin with. You know from personal experience that is a bunch of bull.
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I really dont know anything bout calvinism..
 
Jewel5712 said:
I really dont know anything bout calvinism..
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It says that since you left you were never really saved to begin with. That is the traditional model of 'once saved always saved'. It says real believers will never leave.
 
Ralph- said:
Yes, that would be an error. And I didn't say that.
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Here's what you said in your Post #1,385:
Ralph said:
The very core of your being is different because the Holy Spirit is there with you now. Take the Holy Spirit away (because of unbelief) and it's the old you all over again.
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So what is "the Holy Spirit".

And it's really not "the old you all over again" because the Christian is still born again. He or she may be "carnal" in behavior, but he/she does not need to be born again over and over and over each time as you state "take the Holy Spirit away".

If/when the believer sins, he/she doesn't need to be born again a second time to have fellowship restored.




Ralph said:
Yes, your body received a spirit, again, the day you were justified, just as you received a spirit the moment you breathed your first on the day of your natural birth. But this time around you received the Holy Spirit. That Spirit birthed a different you, not an additional you.
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See, here again you refer to the spirit received at the new birth and then claim it is "the Holy Spirit".

So which is it?

A new spirit (which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness - Eph 4:24) birthed within the born again believer?

Or "the Holy Spirit" birthed within the born again believer?




Ralph said:
Right, the Holy Spirit leaves ...
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Here again you refer to the spirit received at the new birth as "the Holy Spirit".


 
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