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Already answered. There are at least three.
In the same realm as we humans.
Ok..thats 1 heaven..other than "paradise" mentioned by paul..there is NO mention of the other 2 in any form
1. The first heaven is the sky where the clouds are located. The heavens of this world.
Job 35:5 "Look unto the heavens, and see; and behold the clouds which are higher than thou."
2. The second heaven is outer space where the stars, sun and moon are located.
Genesis 1:14 "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good."
3. The third heaven is the dwelling place of God.
Matthew 22:30 "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."
Ok..so according to previous posts..Satan resides in the 2nd heaven...flying around...i think he was cast down to earth after being bannished from heaven until Jesus 2nd coming and then will dwell in the lake of fire along with all his demons amd the unsaved
Cool..thanks..so i think theres been confusion where satan is after he got thrown out of heaven..
The Bible speaks of 3 different heavens <<< >>>(plural).
Genesis 1:1 says that God created "the heavens" (plural). .
The 1st heaven is the atmosphere around the earth. Where birds & planes fly.
The 2nd heaven is moon, stars, galaxies etc.
The 3rd heaven is spiritual and exists outside of our observable universe.
2 Cor 2:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
such an one caught up to """the third heaven""".
Deut 10:14 Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD'S thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is.
1 Kings 8:27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?
Final thought:
Christ went to sit at the right hand of the Father. Ehp 4:10 states Christ ascended up far above all heavens (plural). So the Throne (dwelling place) of God is beyound the 3rd Heaven
Eph 4:10 He (Christ) that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.
Eph 1:
20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
Genesis 1:1 says that God created "the heavens" (plural). .
The 1st heaven is the atmosphere around the earth. Where birds & planes fly.
The 2nd heaven is moon, stars, galaxies etc.
The 3rd heaven is spiritual and exists outside of our observable universe.
2 Cor 2:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
such an one caught up to """the third heaven""".Deut 10:14 Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD'S thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is.
1 Kings 8:27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?
Final thought:
Christ went to sit at the right hand of the Father. Ehp 4:10 states Christ ascended up far above all heavens (plural). So the Throne (dwelling place) of God is beyound the 3rd Heaven
Eph 4:10 He (Christ) that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.
Eph 1:
20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
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pjharrison
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He comes in and out of time and space, because he is spirit. There is nothing to bind him here at this time. We have a body, that's what binds us.
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pjharrison
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I agree with two of those statements. The stars are in the sky, as is the sun and the moon. They are inside the firmament.
I thought Satan was kicked out of heaven and put in hell. Hell can't be heaven surely?
Rev 12:7-12 Just looked this up
7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:7-12 Just looked this up
7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
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pjharrison
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I agree with all except the stars, sun and moon are in the sky. There is no outer space.The Bible speaks of 3 different heavens <<< >>>(plural).
Genesis 1:1 says that God created "the heavens" (plural). .
The 1st heaven is the atmosphere around the earth. Where birds & planes fly.
The 2nd heaven is moon, stars, galaxies etc.
The 3rd heaven is spiritual and exists outside of our observable universe.
2 Cor 2:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
Deut 10:14 Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD'S thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is.
1 Kings 8:27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?
Final thought:
Christ went to sit at the right hand of the Father. Ehp 4:10 states Christ ascended up far above all heavens (plural). So the Throne (dwelling place) of God is beyound the 3rd Heaven
Eph 4:10 He (Christ) that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.
Eph 1:
20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
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pjharrison
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Cast to the earth..will be thrown into lake of fire after Jesus second coming
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pjharrison
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pjharrison
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Outer space, as in beyond earth's atmosphere. The sun, moon, and stars are not within earth's atmosphere.
Unless you're a flat-earth adherent, in which case the discussion belongs in a different forum. Are you?
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7seasrekeyed
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the Bible refers to the devil as the god of this world
we know that Daniel's prayers were interrupted (so much we do not understand). when the angel Gabriel appeared in answer to his prayer he said:
12Then he continued, “Do not be afraid, Daniel. Since the first day that you set your mind to gain understanding and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come in response to them. 13But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia. 14Now I have come to explain to you what will happen to your people in the future, for the vision concerns a time yet to come.”
Daniel 10
the king of Persia there seems to be a reference to perhaps an angelic being that was no longer in heaven and there was a 'spiritual battle'. we do know that in the book of Ephesians, we are told we do not wrestle against flesh and blood but against
but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. Ephesians 6:12
so these spiritual beings are not in heaven, but somewhere in between earth and God's heaven and I think the theory is that they are in earth's atmosphere...which would be the 1st heaven
that is what I've read and it makes sense to me but I do not assume or think there are actually 3 different 'heavens' in the sense of what we think of as God's abode
I could be wrong. dunno
NayborBear
Banned Serpent Seed Heresy
You do come up with some very interesting, and thought provoking subjects, or topics.
Personally? I likes 'em! It shows an insightfulness, at least in these old eyeballs, of one that "presses on, to the high calling of God, in Christ!" And, a Temple being built without hands! Of which the "cornerstone" thereof IS Christ!
The Bible, is chock full of pregnant words, and phrases! Both O.T., to which much of the N.T. refers to, and, the N.T., to which Jesus Himself, also referred to, when He wasn't trying to "supercede" the "Jewish Law", as it had become, due to traditions of men! In which, even these days, these "traditions", are like so many "wolves in sheep's clothing!" It's like the "continuing saga" of Hansel and Gretel, who pick up "bread crumbs", along their way, except, one must go through, and burn the "witch" (call it, judging angels"), to gain access to the next bread crumb! I, myself, have called it, gaining a "clearer picture", where "more dots", are seen, and "connected!"
Rewards, in faith, and, righteousness, along with other rewards, are given, in these "internal pressings on!"
Matthew 6:1
Take heed that ye do not your alms (efforts/labors) before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 6:4
That thine alms (Hansel and Gretel, or connecting dots) may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
As for the "subject at hand?" Scientists, say that we only "consciously use", only about 10% of that grey matter betweenst our ears. If this is true? And, I believe they are pretty close, how much of that 90%, is "spiritually discerned?"
Personally? I likes 'em! It shows an insightfulness, at least in these old eyeballs, of one that "presses on, to the high calling of God, in Christ!" And, a Temple being built without hands! Of which the "cornerstone" thereof IS Christ!
The Bible, is chock full of pregnant words, and phrases! Both O.T., to which much of the N.T. refers to, and, the N.T., to which Jesus Himself, also referred to, when He wasn't trying to "supercede" the "Jewish Law", as it had become, due to traditions of men! In which, even these days, these "traditions", are like so many "wolves in sheep's clothing!" It's like the "continuing saga" of Hansel and Gretel, who pick up "bread crumbs", along their way, except, one must go through, and burn the "witch" (call it, judging angels"), to gain access to the next bread crumb! I, myself, have called it, gaining a "clearer picture", where "more dots", are seen, and "connected!"
Rewards, in faith, and, righteousness, along with other rewards, are given, in these "internal pressings on!"
Matthew 6:1
Take heed that ye do not your alms (efforts/labors) before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 6:4
That thine alms (Hansel and Gretel, or connecting dots) may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
As for the "subject at hand?" Scientists, say that we only "consciously use", only about 10% of that grey matter betweenst our ears. If this is true? And, I believe they are pretty close, how much of that 90%, is "spiritually discerned?"