OSAS= House Built on Sand
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I never said we are under the law of Moses.
His commandments, not Moses law.
Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.
1 John 2:3-5
His commandments are about Loving God and loving our neighbor.
If we hate our neighbor the we no longer have eternal life dwelling in us.
Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15
- Do you honestly believe, that if you murder people, you are loving them?
The way we demonstrate our love for God, is to love our neighbor.
If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen? 21 And this commandment we have from Him: that he who loves God must love his brother also.
1 John 4:20-21
- If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar;
You know where liars end up!
But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Revelation 21:8
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It's the basis for the truth.
The doctrine of Christ.
Jesus taught us the truth.
It's up to you to believe or not believe.
Those who do not obey the doctrine of Christ do not have God.
Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9
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Jpt..it amazes me how you continually MISS THE POINT of replies sent your way...the previous posters POINT was.. You believe SAVED BY KEEPING...in otherwords DOING (works) ive posted to you this before..in in reply YOU post the commands..lol really? WE all KNOW the commands but that has NOTHING to do with you believing that you have to DO th
at in ORDER TO BE OR KEEP YOUR SALVATION...
LISTEN FIRST to a persons reply THEN speak. I think youre too eager to SPEAK and fail to LISTEN..
at in ORDER TO BE OR KEEP YOUR SALVATION...
LISTEN FIRST to a persons reply THEN speak. I think youre too eager to SPEAK and fail to LISTEN..
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This post is about Loving God and Loving people.
Can you read!
Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.
1 John 2:3-5
His commandments are about Loving God and loving our neighbor.
If we hate our neighbor the we no longer have eternal life dwelling in us.
Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15
- Do you honestly believe, that if you murder people, you are loving them?
The way we demonstrate our love for God, is to love our neighbor.
If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen? 21 And this commandment we have from Him: that he who loves God must love his brother also.
1 John 4:20-21
- If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar;
You know where liars end up!
But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Revelation 21:8
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Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15
- Do you honestly believe, that if you murder people, you are loving them?
The way we demonstrate our love for God, is to love our neighbor.
If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen? 21 And this commandment we have from Him: that he who loves God must love his brother also.
1 John 4:20-21
- If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar;
You know where liars end up!
But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Revelation 21:8
JPT
Not one single person from the OSAS camp was able to give an honest answer to this simple question.
Based on the actual words Jesus uses, is a sheep [born again Christian] who wanders away and becomes lost, a sinner or saint, saved or unsaved, just or unjust?
OSAS is a doctrine of liars.
JPT
Based on the actual words Jesus uses, is a sheep [born again Christian] who wanders away and becomes lost, a sinner or saint, saved or unsaved, just or unjust?
OSAS is a doctrine of liars.
JPT
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You ignored a big chunk of my post. Especially the part about Scripture saying NOTHING can separate us from Him.
You also have several times avoided answering whether a born again Child of God who, in YOUR estimation is unjust, and NOT reconciled to God, that is lost eternally, has to be RE-BORN AGAIN.
You also have several times avoided answering whether a born again Child of God who, in YOUR estimation is unjust, and NOT reconciled to God, that is lost eternally, has to be RE-BORN AGAIN.
Whoa, wait a minute!
Are you saying this about Ralph? "especially for the fact that you have NO ASSURANCE in salvation unless you CONTINUE to do good works and you have NO true knowledge of God..whay Jesus accomplished on the cross and NO knowlege of His AMAZING GRACE."
Has Ralph said that? I surely do not agree with Ralph about a lot of things, but I haven't seen him say that! Or, am I missing something?
Are you saying this about Ralph? "especially for the fact that you have NO ASSURANCE in salvation unless you CONTINUE to do good works and you have NO true knowledge of God..whay Jesus accomplished on the cross and NO knowlege of His AMAZING GRACE."
Has Ralph said that? I surely do not agree with Ralph about a lot of things, but I haven't seen him say that! Or, am I missing something?
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We recieve the Holy Spirit when we are saved and AFTER the salvation..its a given that if we LOVE HIM we will STRIVE to keep his commands..like the command to go amd witness etc but we dont EARN our salvation BY keeping the commands..thats backwards...and theres more commands in the Bible than the 10 
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I will answer this directly- yes, the sheep is still a sheep, and still in the flock as long as it accepts the Shepherd as the Lord and Savior.
unless the sheep has outright rebelled, and looked at the Shepherd and said " you are no longer my Shepherd, I go my own way", if that does not happen, then the sheep is still in the flock.
now, do not say no one has not answered this again, if you do so, then you will a liar and outright sinner.
unless the sheep has outright rebelled, and looked at the Shepherd and said " you are no longer my Shepherd, I go my own way", if that does not happen, then the sheep is still in the flock.
now, do not say no one has not answered this again, if you do so, then you will a liar and outright sinner.
Yes..saying it to Ralph had you worried though didnt i Chester. Lol
By ralphs views and replies he has NO etc etc as ive posted..
had you worried though didnt i Chester. LolBy ralphs views and replies he has NO etc etc as ive posted..
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